I believe that we are the ones who are learning. I don’t know if ND is learning. So I won’t speak for them. I feel that the President is not learning.
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This is a common refrain from pro abortion people. It ignores the greater danger to humans who accept abortion as part of their moral fabric. Such an acceptance dehumanizes their fellow humans and makes it difficult for them to love one another as Jesus loved us, fully.
I would like to offer you a piece of moral advice, just like you did to your friend. When someone discusses with you what they discussed in the confessional, whether they were absolved or not, it is strictly confidential. You must be very careful not to give so many details that you run the risk of giving away the person’s identity. Someone can read this and say, “Hey I know that person!” You see what I mean?
* I explain the teaching of our faith yes that’s right she is a catholic and goes to church receives Jesus.*
You are aware that prior to 1973 and the Roe v Wade decision, abortion was not the law of the land and abortion on demand was in fact illegal in most of the states (30) and legal in only a few (4) here is a link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_States.
I think what is actually being seen is a real change in our attitudes and outlook in the 36 years and the millions and millions of murdered innocent lives that have been simply trashed for convenience.
While I do not question your stats, it is helpful if you provide a reference. Thanks.
This is really going back to attitude and outlook. Just what is the attitude and outlook of most citizens when it comes to innocent fetal life? We are probably significantly behind every curve out there! The latest stat I came across is that a growing proportion of all abortions (reported?) are now done with drugs like RU-486…(usatoday.com/news/health/2008-01-16-abortion-rates_N.htm ) but, this is neither simple or without risk (nrlc.org/abortion/ASMF/asmf6.html and abortiontv.com/Methods/RU486TheQuick.htm)
*Hello Shocking!
*Well, I do believe that different approaches could be taken. But abortion is an issue that cannot be accepted because of it’s savagery and brutallity. If we stopped speaking out against it, the pro-choice side would consider it a victory. People like Obama would consider opposition crushed and would believe that he can do more things about it because we don’t stand in his way. We can’t stop fighting it because, believe it or not, it would get worse. We are actually doing something here. We are the last barrier. I’m sure Obama cares about the opinions of at least 10% of the American population. If everyone “agreed” then it would only increase his liberty.
I think that Shocking is not saying that we must not fight abortion. I think she is saying that perhaps you should use different methods - love, caring, assistance, support, instead of being judgmental. The struggle continues but with different approach.
* Besides, most Americans believe that under certain conditions abortions are the lesser evil.
A couple examples - from real life. Several downs syndrome boys had sexual relations with a downs syndrome girl of 14, all of them in a special program. She is ignorant of possible consequences and becomes pregnant. The parents of the girl are horrified. They don't believe in abortion but who is going to want the baby of two people with downs syndrome and risk introducing the gene into the blood line? After much prayer and conflict they opt for an abortion. Who should be jailed? The parents? The girl? The persons in charge of the program? The downs syndrome boys who have sexual relations with her, teens themselves? The doctor? You probably would say the doctor - at least. But was the abortion under such circumstances wrong? What would happen to the baby? What sort of life is s/he likely to have? At least an abortion, as sad as it is, will lead that infant into eternal paradise.
Another example. A good Catholic couple have seven children. They use church-approved periodic abstinence to avoid pregnancy. It doesn't work. She gets pregnant. Her doctor has indicated that she is likely to lose her life if she gives birth, leaving seven young children motherless. Her priest tells her she must bear the child. Reluctantly she and her husband leave the church and she has an abortion.They become bitter foes of the Catholic Church for what they feel is unreasonableness.
Still another thought. Millions of abortions (maybe most?) are miscarriages. Nature (God?) determines that the infant is going to be malformed or there will be some other critical problem and the pregnancy should not go the full term. If God can abort in this fashion, well.... you get the problem.
President Obama may be wrong, but he has said that he is interested in reducing the number of abortions. I for one am not sure I want to go back to those days when abortions were done in back alleys, too often under filthy and even criminal circumstances.
Notre Dame should be proud of its president as I am proud that America has moved far enough to elect a Black person as our president. I pray for him and his family daily, and I suggest that you do, too.
God bless the whole world, people of every faith, and especially those who are hungry or homeless, sick or saddened. Religion should be a bridge and not a barrier.I too am a Catholic who believes in diversity of thought, belief and action. I’m not sure of your point except to suggest that most Catholics are somehow narrow-minded because the Church teaches that abortion is a horrible crime against the innocent.
You are simplifying and minimizing the issue. Just because there are many faithful Catholics who fight against the scourge of abortion doesn’t mean they “do nothing but obsess on abortion.” The same could be said for groups like NOW and NARAL – talk about obsessing on nothing but abortion! Do you understand those people?
So you’re saying that opposition to abortion imposes some other obligation on those who fight against it? While helping young, pregnant women is laudable, it is not a necessary moral imperative to those who oppose abortion. I will grant that providing help and prayer to young, pregnant women can go a long way to reducing abortions, but that is a side issue. Morally speaking, opposition to abortion is sufficient cause to speak out by itself. There doesn’t need to be any other action.
So Obama is above criticism? The “right to have two parties” cuts both ways. During the Bush administration, “attacks” were a daily event from the Democrats. Were they legitimate? Maybe, maybe not. However, I do believe it was the Dems who floated the entire notion that opposition to the President was the highest form of Patriotism. It works both ways. Waving the racism flag is a cop-out. The Dems are in power, both in Congress and the Executive Branch. How is opposition by the right turning us into Nazis? That’s just partisan histrionics and doesn’t help make your case for allowing abortion.
I too am a Catholic who believes in diversity of thought, belief and action. I’m not sure of your point except to suggest that most Catholics are somehow narrow-minded because the Church teaches that abortion is a horrible crime against the innocent.
Your whole approach screams of a desire to minimize the issue of abortion.
Tcm22 How true,
As Catholic’s we all pray for the mothers as well as the babies, [that have the right to live]. In my country there is financial, spiritual, and housing assistance for struggling mums, to be honest a lot are actually better off than a family with only a one wage earner.
I don’t mind paying tax to support children for schooling, clothing, and food it is the basic needs for their lives. I do however oppose paying taxes for abortions.
Only God judges, I as many, do not judge rather we always pray to God that sins maybe forgiven as Christ’s blood was shed for all.
We can not however just say oh well bad luck each to their own, instead of the saying “live and let live”, we may as well say “oh well die and let die”.
We are responsible for our own actions the church does teach the billing method or perhaps abstinence.
Everything that the church teaches is freedom, and for the good of all humanity to simply go against the fundamental teaching of life, will surely lead us all to become ungodly.
It is impossible to separate the western world from the church’s teaching for it was based on the teachings of Jesus that our world became civilized.
Love one another as I have loved you. So let’s love the angels in the womb.
That is an opinion and you may be right about some people. However, there are many of us who have always been critical of any political leader in any nation who supports abortion. Thus we are being consistent in this case.
The Church does not want a duplication of Nazi Germany or Communist China for that matter. However, every government must be rooted in moral principles. When a political party oversteps its bounds on a moral principal, its position is rendered iligitimate. Good government is also good ethics. Only good ethics can lead to justice for every person.
Making bold choices and making evil choices are not the same thing. No where is the right to choose evil respected or protected, not even in scripture. What Christ does allow is for conversion. He does not stone the sinner, but he calls the sinner to sin no more. He does not protect the sinner’s right to sin.
God gives us freedom, he does not give us the right to sin. There is a fundamental difference between freedom and right. Freedom comes from the Latin, “libertas” and right comes from the Latin “rectus”. When we read in scripture and in the writings of the Fathers of the Church about freedom they are talking about using one’s will. But it’s interesting that they take the word libertas to descibe the use of the will. Because the root of the word “libertas” comes fromt he word, “liber”, which means book. The book to which the Fathers of the Church referred was the scripture. So they only act of the will that could be tolerated by the Christian was that act that was according to the book or according to the scriptures. Abortion is certaiinly contrary to the scriptures.
This is not Republican issue. It is a worldwide issue. The Church is not American. It is Catholic. Abortion is not only in the USA. It is global. We are not defending the right to life of American unborn children, but of all the unborn.
It is in some countries. It may be a good idea to see it return to the USA again. By the way, it is still a crime in the Armed Forces of the USA. Be that as it may, it may protect some families and protect the rights of spouses from cheaters.
God has not given us the right to kill. In fact the Jews thought they had that right and Jesus proved them wrong.
Great nations destroy themselves when they fail to protect the God-given rights of their citizens. When nations take it upon themselves to determine what rights a citizen has and which ones his does not have, completely turning their back on the natural rights of man, that nation is destined for the fall. Read Russeau and Jefferson.