The locus of dimensionless points that constitute a circle doesn’t have any thickness, so we can’t see that from the front side either. Nobody has ever seen an actual circle, only imperfect representations of them. So there.
ok. I know I said I was done but I should not have said so.
ha ha! its funny. yes like angels on a pin.
but to me its not uselfulnes that is important. its the assertion that there are creatures or kinds of creatures, paradoxical ones, that god CANNOT make. if some say god cannot make a creature that is God. I understand. because god cannot make himself not god and a creature. but if the two remain distinct. God is God and creature is creature and distinction is made. I have a VERY hard time accepting limitations grounded only in human logic.He can. A Square Circle, Two sided Triangle and the other things brought up in these nonsense challenges are nothing. God certainly can make nothing of he wishes.
Technically 2+2 = 93, on a different decimal system. What decimal system that is ?I do not know.
I don’t know if there is a document that says that it is heresy to believe that God can make contradictions true. But this voluntarist conception of God that you seem to have, that God can make anything true simply by willing it, is quite a dangerous viewpoint to hold. You say you trust revelation? Well since God can make contradictions true, He can make Scripture be completely false just to torment you, and yet still be considered Truth and Goodness itself. He can guarantee that the gates of hell will not prevail against the Church, and then let them prevail and not be untruthful. He can make it really good for us to torture children just by willing that it is good for us to do so. If you accept that God can make contradictions true, then you need to accept all of the above. And I don’t think you want to accept that.
I don’t know why you think that the law of non-contradiction is something over and above God to which He is subject. The law of non-contradiction is derived from God’s nature, that there is a distinction between being and non-being. The nature of God as being itself is not also non-being.
By definition, a square circle, or a rock that God Himself cannot lift, is a contradiction, not a ‘thing’, In God all THINGS are possible.
Thank you for the answer to the question on heresy.
no one had answered. I trust church definitions because it is not based on human logic but on the Holy Spirit who is God. Second, I do not deny that logic has worth or say is completely worthless. but it is limited and can be completely wrong because its also fallen. If not so, God would not be in the church guiding definitions. no need for magisterium. I don’t trust the catholic church because of nice intellectual thinking which I love and was drawn to. ultimately, the church cannot be wrong because its god speaking. I believe god.
Beatific vision or contemplation is not logic and superior. So I think of logic as a very human way of knowing which is limited. On top of it is also broken or cracked in a way. hence something may seem full proof from logic but may not be so from the view of God or even a higher creature like a cherub. Maybe paradoxical creatures do exist or in concept but not knowable through logic. I don’t know. but I don’t think others can know it is not so either.Yes. say more about this. I can accept this. so the only way is to say is square circle necessarily the same thing as “not square” and “not circle”? Or is that only true to human logic but not necessarily truly false?
There is no need to be rude. its not about what I can make but what I am struggling accepting that God CANT make. human abilities are nothing. I cant make a squircle because that’s my reality. but why does it mean its Gods reality too?…you are free to make a squircle though if you want to try.
I was injecting some humour - it depends how you see things.
Man has always given Gods different attributes, skills and qualities. There are many Gods - Romans, Greeks, Christians and Vikings Gods for example, all had different personalities and traits. I can’t see why a Catholic God, would be any different from any other God and people can choose what attributes their God has.
thank you. this makes sense to me. God has made one reality in which a square and circle are completely distinct. my objection is when Christians then say that this comnination is perse impossible for God. but maybe that’s true only from our view.There is a difference between whether God can change a square into a circle and a ‘square-circle’.
I think there may be an answer in that there is beauty in Truth, in God. God’s creation was made to be good and He was pleased (sin adds death, decay and imperfection). And so there is an order which points to Him in order that human’s might find Him. In order for there to be an order there have to be rules and within time we are subject to mathematical rules. God is outside of time. So in our time a square is a square and a circle is a circle. And we have named the elements which make up this higher ordering of the Universe. So in order to understand God and His Universe, although people may not understand it is God they are searching for, have named, and we use those ordered named elements, that all point to God (all things came through Christ) to find the beauty in Truth and vice-versa. People could not find God if all there was, was chaos. God is everything good and all things good have meaning and in order for all things to have meaning there has to be an ordering of things that point to love for us to recognise His meaning. As human beings we recognise patterns and therefore structures and all the ways that enable us to build upon a memory of and a mental processing for the stimuli we perceive.
Now maybe there is a square-circle but we have not found it or recognise it but we live in time, we live within the mathematics of our Universe as human beings, so if mathematical shape A equals mathematical shape A and mathematical shape B equals mathematical shape B and they have different mathematical points that cannot go together then we cannot have them combined because to do so would be to undo God’s beautifully ordered Universe set up to see Him in the beauty and so he would have to have created chaos for this shape to exist. We know that chaos is not made by God. Chaos is the without. To create such an imbalance would be to undo the order of things and so in essence this could be considered evil because it would throw the whole of existence into the abyss. But God is the God of love (He is Love) so why would He want to do that?
However, taking the time construction we have been placed in look at the London underground symbol - it is a circle and a rectangle combined. Stick a square instead of a rectangle in there and within time with the names things have been given this is the best we could do.