Why can't i move things with my Mind?

[Pat_Albertson]

Hahahaha! I Am God among men!! Seee the electric bolts dispersing from my fingertips. See me raise a whole city with my mind. WORSHIP ME!!! HAHAHAHA!!!

Do you think something like that would happen?

The thing is, it would also be an opportunity for good. People would use their powers to protect what is good. They would use their powers to worship God.

Divination and magic

2115 God can reveal the future to his prophets or to other saints. Still, a sound Christian attitude consists in putting oneself confidently into the hands of Providence for whatever concerns the future, and giving up all unhealthy curiosity about it. Improvidence, however, can constitute a lack of responsibility.

2116 All forms of divination are to be rejected: recourse to Satan or demons, conjuring up the dead or other practices falsely supposed to “unveil” the future.48 Consulting horoscopes, astrology, palm reading, interpretation of omens and lots, the phenomena of clairvoyance, and recourse to mediums all conceal a desire for power over time, history, and, in the last analysis, other human beings, as well as a wish to conciliate hidden powers. They contradict the honor, respect, and loving fear that we owe to God alone.

2117 All practices of magic or sorcery, by which one attempts to tame occult powers, so as to place them at one’s service and have a supernatural power over others - even if this were for the sake of restoring their health - are gravely contrary to the virtue of religion. These practices are even more to be condemned when accompanied by the intention of harming someone, or when they have recourse to the intervention of demons. Wearing charms is also reprehensible. Spiritism often implies divination or magical practices; the Church for her part warns the faithful against it. Recourse to so-called traditional cures does not justify either the invocation of evil powers or the exploitation of another’s credulity.

It’s too much like resorting to the occult. If clairvoyance is to be rejected, then probably this is too.

Even healing somebody with occult power is to be rejected, so something less beneficial like moving things around is also probably to be rejected.

You would become obsessed with your own power and exercising that power over others instead of with the love of God.

 

[IWantGod]

It’s too much like resorting to the occult. If clairvoyance is to be rejected, then probably this is too.

Even healing somebody with occult power is to be rejected, so something less beneficial like moving things around is also probably to be rejected.

You would become obsessed with your own power and exercising that power over others instead of with the love of God.

I think your quote is referring to occult magic which is considered evil by the church, such as calling on the power of supernatural beings. What makes it wrong is the source of that power. This is the kind of power that is spiritually unnatural to us.

If we naturally had powers, they would be a part of our nature and not something given by unclean spirits. Even if we achieved these powers by technological means, this would be using the nature of the universe. Things like “synthetic telekinesis”, would not be immoral or intrinsically evil. In the future we may well see scientific advances such as genetic modification or augmentation that enhances our nature.

 

[Pat_Albertson]

I think your quote is referring to occult magic which is considered evil by the church, such as calling on the power of supernatural beings. What makes it wrong is the source of that power. This is the kind of power that is spiritually unnatural to us.

If we naturally had powers, they would be a part of our nature and not something given by unclean spirits. Even if we achieved these powers by technological means, this would be using the nature of the universe. Things like “synthetic telekinesis”, would not be immoral or intrinsically evil. In the future we may well see scientific advances such as genetic modification or augmentation that enhances our nature.

At least up until now, “synthetic telekinesis” doesn’t appear to be in the cards. If somebody (perhaps you) ever achieves this, then maybe yes, but at this point it does not appear to be a part of God’s plan, hence the reason you can’t do what you want in this regard is probably just exactly that.

 

[IWantGod]

At least up until now, “synthetic telekinesis” doesn’t appear to be in the cards. If somebody (perhaps you) ever achieves this, then maybe yes, but at this point it does not appear to be a part of God’s plan, hence the reason you can’t do what you want in this regard is probably just exactly that.

Well science shows technology can already achieve telepathy.

youtube.com/watch?v=Fl8GvPRvikM

Brain net.

youtube.com/watch?v=Au8wDAqAJu8

Michio Kaku on Reading Minds, Recording Dreams, and Brain Imaging

youtube.com/watch?v=OjcgT_oj3jQ

 

[Pat_Albertson]

Well science shows technology can already achieve telepathy.

youtube.com/watch?v=Fl8GvPRvikM

Brain net.

youtube.com/watch?v=Au8wDAqAJu8

Michio Kaku on Reading Minds, Recording Dreams, and Brain Imaging

youtube.com/watch?v=OjcgT_oj3jQ

I wouldn’t think of those as telepathy because they use a device to translate between bodily phenomena and radio waves. Radio waves can be blocked by any conductor and even many thick non-conductors. I would only consider telepathy to exist if it could not be blocked even by an object like the earth using a connection such as that rumored to exist between certain pairs of twins.

Similarly, I would not consider brain scans using NMRI (or in the modern parlance, to calm a public neurotic about anything nuclear, MRI) to be telepathy, nor would I consider a brain scanner hooked up to a motorized transducer to be a form of telekinesis.

Let’s not move the discussion from telekinesis to telepathy, shall we. Let’s stick with telekinesis.

Although fascinating, I wouldn’t call the following telekinesis: The Man With The Power
Such a link is not solely human derived and powered but occurs with a surgically implanted device.

This, however, when he says, “Your ignorance makes me ill and angry”, would be true telekinesis (and true telepathy): The Sixth Finger, as it does not rely upon anything external to the body, nor upon a surgical implant. While it is true that the man from the future came from a normal man transformed by an “evolution machine”, he was never given the power by any external aid, such as a link. Such a power could not be disabled other than by killing its possessor; it is in the nature of the flesh, so to speak.

 

[IWantGod]

I wouldn’t think of those as telepathy because they use a device to translate between bodily phenomena and radio waves. Radio waves can be blocked by any conductor and even many thick non-conductors. I would only consider telepathy to exist if it could not be blocked even by an object like the earth using a connection such as that rumored to exist between certain pairs of twins.

Similarly, I would not consider brain scans using NMRI (or in the modern parlance, to calm a public neurotic about anything nuclear, MRI) to be telepathy, nor would I consider a brain scanner hooked up to a motorized transducer to be a form of telekinesis.

Let’s not move the discussion from telekinesis to telepathy, shall we. Let’s stick with telekinesis.

Although fascinating, I wouldn’t call the following telekinesis: The Man With The Power
Such a link is not solely human derived and powered but occurs with a surgically implanted device.

This, however, when he says, “Your ignorance makes me ill and angry”, would be true telekinesis (and true telepathy): The Sixth Finger, as it does not rely upon anything external to the body, nor upon a surgical implant. While it is true that the man from the future came from a normal man transformed by an “evolution machine”, he was never given the power by any external aid, such as a link. Such a power could not be disabled other than by killing its possessor; it is in the nature of the flesh, so to speak.

So true telekinesis for you is the ability to move an external object with the mind alone? By the way i love the outer limits and the twilight zone.

Okay, let me ask you this. If i could move external objects with my mind to the extent of it being a deadly weapon should i be considered a national security threat? And would you advise me to keep it a secret if i really did have that power? How would the world respond to my powers?

What would happen if i could do this…

youtube.com/watch?v=YI3NoBeNwfk

 

[Pat_Albertson]

So true telekinesis for you is the ability to move an external object with the mind alone? By the way i love the outer limits and the twilight zone.

Okay, let me ask you this. If i could move external objects with my mind to the extent of it being a deadly weapon should i be considered a national security threat? And would you advise me to keep it a secret if i really did have that power? How would the world respond to my powers?

If you never told anybody, then you wouldn’t have any problems from the rest of the world, would you? I think if you could refrain from doing any harm and behaved with a modicum of common sense, you wouldn’t have any problem, either here or in the hereafter.

What would happen if i could do this…

youtube.com/watch?v=YI3NoBeNwfk

You would be considered a murderer and the rest of the world would be justified in taking you out one way or another. You would then have to face God.

Whether you have true telekinesis, or just a simulacrum of it (The Man With The Power), you are still required to behave with a modicum of common sense and common decency.

Personally, I would not recommend showing it off as there are many people who would be all to ready to, if they could understand it, use it for evil and discard (i.e. terminate or liquidate) you like used kleenex after they had gotten what they wanted from you.

Not telling everybody would not be a sin/crime because if such a thing were done solely by natural means you would not be consorting with spirits nor depriving anybody else of anything you owed them. Presumably, if somebody else wanted such power, he or she could investigate reality and develop it on his or her own. Each person who wanted it would then just have to do it over. Each power possessor would face the same moral choices. I doubt if very many people would ever do it though; if it were easy it would already have been done.

Here are a list of dos and don’ts:

1. 
   *]Don’t use it for evil.
   *]Don’t show off.
   *]Be extremely careful about using it in anybody else’s presence.
   *]Carefully use it when alone to try and see how it works.
   *]Make sure you aren’t hurting yourself when you use it (example: the early explorers into x-rays did not know they were damaging themselves).
   *]Don’t play secret Superman. Catching crooks is a job for the police because only they can properly take somebody all the way from the streets to prison. Police are to catching crooks as being a janitor is to cleaning up garbage; there is very little glamour in it.

 

[Roseeurekacross]

So true telekinesis for you is the ability to move an external object with the mind alone?

Stop watching Men Who Stare at Goats!

 

[IWantGod]

If you never told anybody, then you wouldn’t have any problems from the rest of the world, would you? I think if you could refrain from doing any harm and behaved with a modicum of common sense, you wouldn’t have any problem, either here or in the hereafter.
You would be considered a murderer and the rest of the world would be justified in taking you out one way or another. You would then have to face God.

Whether you have true telekinesis, or just a simulacrum of it (The Man With The Power), you are still required to behave with a modicum of common sense and common decency.

Personally, I would not recommend showing it off as there are many people who would be all to ready to, if they could understand it, use it for evil and discard (i.e. terminate or liquidate) you like used kleenex after they had gotten what they wanted from you.

Not telling everybody would not be a sin/crime because if such a thing were done solely by natural means you would not be consorting with spirits nor depriving anybody else of anything you owed them. Presumably, if somebody else wanted such power, he or she could investigate reality and develop it on his or her own. Each person would then just have to do it over. Each power possessor would face the same moral choices. I doubt if very many people would ever do it though; if it were easy it would already have been done.

Here are a list of dos and don’ts:

1. 
   *]Don’t use it for evil.
   *]Don’t show off.
   *]Be extremely careful about using it in anybody else’s presence.
   *]Carefully use it when alone to try and see how it works.
   *]Make sure you aren’t hurting yourself when you use it (example: the early explorers into x-rays did not know they were damaging themselves).
   *]Don’t play secret Superman. Catching crooks is a job for the police because only they can properly take somebody all the way from the streets to prison. Police are to catching crooks as being a janitor is to cleaning up garbage; there is very little glamour in it.

1. 
   X men 3, explored peoples fear of mutants with powers and the government considered them a threat merely because they possessed the potential to be a threat to national security.
   
   Do you think having great power makes you a target and a threat even if you are using it for good?
   
   Its for this reason i would not dress up as superman and fly around helping people, because sooner or later people are going to think i’m to much of a risk to keep alive and they would attempt to kill me on that principle alone.
   
   I think a true telepath would face the same problem because they can potentially gain information they are not suppose to know about. In much the same way if the government had possession of technology that could read peoples thoughts or even beam thoughts into peoples minds this would be considered an attack on privacy.
   
   I think the presence of real superheros would create a lot of paranoia at all levels of society even if they were using their powers for good. What would likely happen is that they would be kidnapped and experimented on or killed if they could not be controlled…

 

[IWantGod]

Stop watching Men Who Stare at Goats!

Is that a good film?

 

[IWantGod]

You would be considered a murderer and the rest of the world would be justified in taking you out one way or another. You would then have to face God.

That was one messed up scene Its technically genius how they pulled that off and made it look so real.

Have you seen Scanners before?

 

[SyroMalankara]

If somebody wants to fight me, i want to be able to move their body to another country so that they will be arrested by the immigration police.

Why can’t i do that?

Because you would be the human trafficker that should be charged with illegal transport

 

[IWantGod]

Because you would be the human trafficker that should be charged with illegal transport

Lol, I didn’t think that one through.

 

[Pat_Albertson]

X men 3, explored peoples fear of mutants with powers and the government considered them a threat merely because they possessed the potential to be a threat to national security.

Do you think having great power makes you a target and a threat even if you are using it for good?

Its for this reason i would not dress up as superman and fly around helping people, because sooner or later people are going to think i’m to much of a risk to keep alive and they would attempt to kill me on that principle alone.

I think a true telepath would face the same problem because they can potentially gain information they are not suppose to know about. In much the same way if the government had possession of technology that could read peoples thoughts or even beam thoughts into peoples minds this would be considered an attack on privacy.

I think the presence of real superheros would create a lot of paranoia at all levels of society even if they were using their powers for good. What would likely happen is that they would be kidnapped and experimented on or killed if they could not be controlled…

This sort of power is sort of like money in the stock market; other people’s reactions to it would be primarily fear and greed, with I think greed being the most predominant reaction. I doubt if enough people would be so afraid that politicians would attempt to exploit that fear. Your most immediate problem would be people who demand that either you tell them how to do it or that you submit to extremely intensive investigation, then they would attempt to make money off of it. At that point, you would be better off dead as far as they were concerned.

I think Marvel has it all wrong. Fear would not be much of a problem for mutants, greed would. And the government would be far more aggressive towards Tony Stark than they are in the comics and the movies. True, they did attempt to develop Iron Man suits on their own, but if the Stark suits were always seen to be better than theirs, they would attempt to take one of Stark’s by force.

Superheroes cannot fight the whole greedy envious world. About the only superhero who could get away with that would be Superman (and maybe a few others at about the same power level, i.e. Flash, not because he’s as powerful as Superman, but because they could never catch him), and he would probably end up having to leave the earth sooner rather than later.

 

[Roseeurekacross]

Is that a good film?

Are you a youngster or an adult?

 

[IWantGod]

Are you a youngster or an adult?

An adult

 

[IWantGod]

This sort of power is sort of like money in the stock market; other people’s reactions to it would be primarily fear and greed, with I think greed being the most predominant reaction. I doubt if enough people would be so afraid that politicians would attempt to exploit that fear. Your most immediate problem would be people who demand that either you tell them how to do it or that you submit to extremely intensive investigation, then they would attempt to make money off of it. At that point, you would be better off dead as far as they were concerned.

I think Marvel has it all wrong. Fear would not be much of a problem for mutants, greed would. And the government would be far more aggressive towards Tony Stark than they are in the comics and the movies. True, they did attempt to develop Iron Man suits on their own, but if the Stark suits were always seen to be better than theirs, they would attempt to take one of Stark’s by force.

Superheroes cannot fight the whole greedy envious world. About the only superhero who could get away with that would be Superman (and maybe a few others at about the same power level, i.e. Flash, not because he’s as powerful as Superman, but because they could never catch him), and he would probably end up having to leave the earth sooner rather than later.

Do you think the same thing would happen to people who can work miracles like miracle healers. Do you think the mega churches exploit them for money?

 

[Pat_Albertson]

Do you think the same thing would happen to people who can work miracles like miracle healers. Do you think the mega churches exploit them for money?

True miracles occur only very rarely and cannot be studied in a lab, so no.

Mega churches make money for sure, whether the miracles are real or not.

Real prophets and miracle workers stir anger and jealousy in many people who, out of pride, want all the attention to be directed toward themselves; Christ was a real prophet and miracle worker. Judas got money for betraying Christ.

 

[tonyrey]

True miracles occur only very rarely and cannot be studied in a lab, so no.

I’m not so sure miracles occur only very rarely for two reasons:

1. Jesus promised us that our prayers will always be answered if we have faith.
2. It is impossible for us to know how many miracles have occurred, are occurring and will occur. They may not always be answered in the way we expect because only God knows what it is in our best interests whereas we only judge by appearances and tend to think physical survival, especially for children, is in everyone’s best interests. Yet suffering and death are certainly not the worst evils. There are far worse fates such as being enslaved for the rest of one’s life and forced to endure all types of abuse without any hope of escape. Jesus chose to let Himself be crucified to demonstrate that God is a loving Father who intervenes whenever possible to minimise suffering but we should follow Our Lord’s example and offer our pain and misery to atone for the sins of the world (including our own).

The greatest miracle occurs every time we control ourselves, behave “unnaturally” and overcome the temptation to put our interests, desires, ambitions and reputation
before the welfare of others. In doing so we violate the principle of the conservation of physical energy with the supernatural power given to us by our Father in heaven. How else could we defy our Creator’s will and reject Him for all eternity? We do move things with our mind because we are capable of destroying all life on this planet, an incredible feat which is overwhelming evidence that to a certain extent we participate in divine omnipotence. That is why there has been so many examples of diabolical evil in the world but also so many heroic feats of sanctity which have transformed so many afflicted people’s lives. Materialism is a hopelessly inadequate explanation of reality which reduces life to a pointless existence in a dark, underground dungeon that is never illuminated by the celestial light of divine love…

 

[Pat_Albertson]

I’m not so sure miracles occur only very rarely for two reasons:

1. Jesus promised us that our prayers will always be answered if we have faith.
2. It is impossible for us to know how many miracles have occurred, are occurring and will occur. They may not always be answered in the way we expect because only God knows what it is in our best interests whereas we only judge by appearances and tend to think physical survival, especially for children, is in everyone’s best interests. Yet suffering and death are certainly not the worst evils. There are far worse fates such as being enslaved for the rest of one’s life and forced to endure all types of abuse without any hope of escape. Jesus chose to let Himself be crucified to demonstrate that God is a loving Father who intervenes whenever possible to minimise suffering but we should follow Our Lord’s example and offer our pain and misery to atone for the sins of the world (including our own).

The greatest miracle occurs every time we control ourselves, behave “unnaturally” and overcome the temptation to put our interests, desires, ambitions and reputation
before the welfare of others.

I still stand by my points that these things do not submit to laboratory investigation. God says we still have to have faith and to me this means that we cannot ever put God to the test in an instrumental way.

In doing so we violate the principle of the conservation of physical energy with the supernatural power given to us by our Father in heaven. How else could we defy our Creator’s will and reject Him for all eternity?

It is far from clear how to measure energy consumed, energy efficiency, and the like that is consumed while making choices. It is conceivable that even whether or not a single neuron fires will change the entire bioelectrochemical pattern of a person’s brain waves after only a few seconds, and there might even be tiny quantum influences that could change the way that neuron fires.

We do move things with our mind because we are capable of destroying all life on this planet, an incredible feat which is overwhelming evidence that to a certain extent we participate in divine omnipotence.

There is also a lot of talking and bodily work involved in building nukes. Nuclear weapons are indeed powerful, but they are hardly divine.

That is why there has been so many examples of diabolical evil in the world but also so many heroic feats of sanctity which have transformed so many afflicted people’s lives.

Evil preceded nukes by a long way. Nukes are new, evil is ancient.

Materialism is a hopelessly inadequate explanation of reality which reduces life to a pointless existence in a dark, underground dungeon that is never illuminated by the celestial light of divine love…

I agree that materialism is cold, but I don’t think that that coldness is a sufficient logical, objective reason to reject materialism. I reject materialistic coldness for the subjective emotional reason that I would prefer to live my life periodically praying to God and experiencing the little bits of warmth and love of God that I can get out of that. I’ve had so much materialism in my life that I am no longer interested in it. I’m done with materialism as any sort of reason for living; I’m just done with it, and I don’t care whether or not I’m being objective, I just don’t.