Why can't liberal gay activists see that we would leave them alone if they would stop attacking the Catholic Church?

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In_Training said:
No, I’m still learning. 😉 I went through 12 years of Catholic school and realized I’d learned absolutely nothing about being a Catholic, so I had to start over. 🤷
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Yes, sadly the Church has done an abysmal job in the past providing nourishing catechesis for her flock. Especially her young flock.

But that is changing, thanks be to God.

Check this out, where my DH, DD #2 and DD #3 are as we speak: live.stlyouth.org/
 
rossum said:
I suspect that PRmerger considers Catholic theologians to be “relevant experts”.

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:yup:

Not to mention good ol’ common sense can tell you that a female and a female just don’t fit together. Male and male just don’t either. Not the way it was made to be. Disordered. 🤷
 
PRmerger said:
Do you live somewhere where it is considered a secular matter by the relevant experts?
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Whether homosexuality is a disorder or not? Indeed I do. We don’t base medical and psychological matters on religious beliefs where I come from.

I do know of some countries where it is considered a religious matter. But they really aren’t the type of places with which you’d like to be associated. Or would you?
 
Bradski said:
Whether homosexuality is a disorder or not? Indeed I do. We don’t base medical and psychological matters on religious beliefs where I come from.
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Well, where I come from we base our ideas on Truth, Bradski. No matter where* it *comes from. 🤷
I do know of some countries where it is considered a religious matter. But they really aren’t the type of places with which you’d like to be associated. Or would you?
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Since I’m from the US where it’s considered both a secular, religious, political, medical, psychological, ethical, familial matter, I don’t have a problem with that.

Why should you?

I don’t really understand where your questioning is leading…
 
PRmerger said:
Well, where I come from we base our ideas on Truth, Bradski. No matter where* it *comes from. 🤷

Well, since I’m from the US where it’s considered both a secular, religious, political, medical, psychological, ethical, familial matter, I don’t have a problem with that.

Why should you?

I don’t really understand where your questioning is leading…
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Truth is good. If it compares with religious beliefs then all well and good. But in a secular state (and yours would be the US) then whether homosexuality is a disorder or not is not based on religious beliefs. Or political. Or familial. Or ethical for that matter. Disorder is a psychological matter and is determined by the relevant experts in that area.

Other countries have decided to base the decision on religion. And again, you really don’t want to be associated with them.
 
PRmerger said:
No, whether homosexuality is considered only a secular matter by the relevant experts.

Please cite your sources.
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You referred to homosexuality as a disorder (post 168). It is not classed as a disorder by every professional US organisation that deals with these matters. Not one or two, but every single one. And not just the US but every civilised country on the planet.

There are some countries that do still cling to the view that there is something wrong with gay people. Please don’t make me list them. It’s an embarrassment to be associated with such states.
 
Bradski said:
Truth is good. If it compares with religious beliefs then all well and good. But in a secular state (and yours would be the US) then whether homosexuality is a disorder or not is not based on religious beliefs. Or political. Or familial. Or ethical for that matter. Disorder is a psychological matter and is determined by the relevant experts in that area.
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No, disorders, Bradski, are also a religious matter.
Other countries have decided to base the decision on religion. And again, you really don’t want to be associated with them.
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Like the Philippines? Why wouldn’t I want to be associated “with them”?
 
Bradski said:
You referred to homosexuality as a disorder (post 168). It is not classed as a disorder by every professional US organisation that deals with these matters. Not one or two, but every single one. And not just the US but every civilised country on the planet.
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So we are agreed that homosexuality is not only a secular matter, yes?
 
Bradski said:
And there’s me thinking it was a secular matter…
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The fact that you’re on a Catholic message board, having this conversation, should have told you from the get-go that it’s far more than a mere secular issue. :rolleyes:

Biological - Tab A goes into Slot B.

Political - Maneuvering, ad campaigns, mud-slinging competitions, it’s all there.

Socioeconomic - More gay couples means less kids. Many countries are already feeling the impact of this, to their detriment.

Religious - Freedom of religion and the ability to express that religion are being downtrodden by those who would force their agendas on us in a misguided attempt to make us recognize their activities as wholesome and good.

All I can say is…time to take those blinders off, bud.
 
Bradski said:
You referred to homosexuality as a disorder (post 168). It is not classed as a disorder by every professional US organisation that deals with these matters. Not one or two, but every single one. And not just the US but every civilised country on the planet.

There are some countries that do still cling to the view that there is something wrong with gay people. Please don’t make me list them. It’s an embarrassment to be associated with such states.
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“it is not classed as a disorder by every professional US organization that deals with these matters”, however it used to be until Homosexual Psychiatrists voted homosexuality out as a disorder from the DSM and recently when evaluating those organizations it is clear that homosexuals are setting the psychiatric agenda…

narth.com/2011/01/dr-nicolosi-on-the-apa-task-force-report/
The American Psychological Association (APA) has released its “Task Force Report on Appropriate Therapeutic Responses to Sexual Orientation” (August 2009), a report issued by five psychologists and one psychiatrist who are all on record as supporting gay causes.
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Remarkably, the APA rejected, for membership on this committee, every practitioner of sexual-reorientation therapy who applied for inclusion.
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josephnicolosi.com/apa-task-force/
The fact that the Task Force was composed entirely of activists in gay causes, most of whom are also personally gay, goes a long way toward explaining their failure to be scientifically objective.
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So you want to accept biased information that suits an agenda. I don’t have to.
 
PRmerger said:
No, disorders, Bradski, are also a religious matter.
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And how do you decide who’s religion? I think that you’ll find that medical matters are best decided by the medical fraternity. Long gone are the days where you asked the priest to cast out demons.
PRmerger said:
Like the Philippines? Why wouldn’t I want to be associated “with them”?
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You would? This from your own State Department (state.gov/j/drl/rls/hrrpt/2010/eap/154399.htm)

Arbitrary, unlawful, and extrajudicial killings by elements of the security services and political killings, including killings of journalists, by a variety of state and non-state actors continued to be serious problems.

Killings of activists, judicial officials, and local government leaders continued to be serious problems

The constitution prohibits torture, and evidence obtained through its use is inadmissible in court; however, members of the security forces and police were alleged to have routinely abused and sometimes tortured suspects and detainees.

Feel free to hitch your wagon to those guys if you’re inclined. And here’s some other countries that also believe that homosexuality is a disorder.

Algeria, Libya, Sudan, Liberia, Ethiopia, Somalia, Uganda, Angola, Guyana, Kuwait, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, Burma.

There’s lots more. I can’t say I like the company that you keep.
 
Bradski said:
And how do you decide who’s religion? I think that you’ll find that medical matters are best decided by the medical fraternity. Long gone are the days where you asked the priest to cast out demons
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Why do we have to decide “whose religion”?

Suffice it to say that it’s just an irrelevant proposition you seem to be making: only secular entities can have opinions about homosexuality.

That is simply a ree-DAHNK-u-lous assertion.

Homosexuality is a concept that many, many disciplines can weigh in on.

To declare that the Church cannot voice her teaching on this is to declare that one has little idea about the purview of theology.
 
CopticChristian said:
“it is not classed as a disorder by every professional US organization that deals with these matters”, however it used to be until Homosexual Psychiatrists voted homosexuality out as a disorder from the DSM and recently when evaluating those organizations it is clear that homosexuals are setting the psychiatric agenda…
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Ah, it used to be classed as a disorder. About 40 years ago, I believe. And do you know how many voted against declassifying it? About 17% of the total membership. Hardly a ringing endorsement of your position. And I think we’ve all moved on from there. And it’s not just the APA, incidentally.

The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of Social Workers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured.”

Plus every equivalent organisation in every country that can reasonably be described as civilised. To continually argue against this is perverse in the extreme.

See the list I posted earlier for countries that agree with your position. Let me kmnow how you feel being associated with them.
 
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