Why can't liberal gay activists see that we would leave them alone if they would stop attacking the Catholic Church?

[livingwordunity]

The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of Social Workers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured.”

They all used to say it was a disorder. But they all changed their tune about it because of gays taking over the leadership of the American Psychological Association, waving a magic wand and pronouncing out of thin air that there was nothing wrong with the behavior. There was no scientific break through. They flipped based purely on a political power grab. It had zero to do with science.

 

[CopticChristian]

And how do you decide who’s religion? I think that you’ll find that medical matters are best decided by the medical fraternity. Long gone are the days where you asked the priest to cast out demons.

You would? This from your own State Department (state.gov/j/drl/rls/hrrpt/2010/eap/154399.htm)

Arbitrary, unlawful, and extrajudicial killings by elements of the security services and political killings, including killings of journalists, by a variety of state and non-state actors continued to be serious problems.

Killings of activists, judicial officials, and local government leaders continued to be serious problems

The constitution prohibits torture, and evidence obtained through its use is inadmissible in court; however, members of the security forces and police were alleged to have routinely abused and sometimes tortured suspects and detainees.

Feel free to hitch your wagon to those guys if you’re inclined. And here’s some other countries that also believe that homosexuality is a disorder.

Algeria, Libya, Sudan, Liberia, Ethiopia, Somalia, Uganda, Angola, Guyana, Kuwait, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, Burma.

There’s lots more. I can’t say I like the company that you keep.

Brad,

I belong to the medical fraternity and have divorced myself from the Gay Psychiatric community that runs the APA…fortunately for NARTH…there is an alternate voice…you choose to listen to one bias and I choose from the inside to say…hey…mon…was up wid do homosexuals…das runnin amuck in da APA…don gotta lissen to dose folks…no how…

 

[CopticChristian]

Ah, it used to be classed as a disorder. About 40 years ago, I believe. And do you know how many voted against declassifying it? About 17% of the total membership. Hardly a ringing endorsement of your position. And I think we’ve all moved on from there. And it’s not just the APA, incidentally.

The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of Social Workers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured.”

Plus every equivalent organisation in every country that can reasonably be described as civilised. To continually argue against this is perverse in the extreme.

See the list I posted earlier for countries that agree with your position. Let me kmnow how you feel being associated with them.

Brad,

You may not know this, but I don’t belong to the AMA…because I don’t believe they speak for me either…the medical community is just a bunch of guys with societies sayin dis ana sayin dat…ana all I gotta do is what is called meet the standard of care…and if I can find someone that agrees with me soma ware…dat is da standad of kare.

 

[CopticChristian]

Ah, it used to be classed as a disorder. About 40 years ago, I believe. And do you know how many voted against declassifying it? About 17% of the total membership. Hardly a ringing endorsement of your position. And I think we’ve all moved on from there. And it’s not just the APA, incidentally.

The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of Social Workers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured.”

Plus every equivalent organisation in every country that can reasonably be described as civilised. To continually argue against this is perverse in the extreme.
See the list I posted earlier for countries that agree with your position. Let me kmnow how you feel being associated with them.

Brad,

meh really don’t care wa’tch da shrinks say…I haz a mind an’ da thang iz no way controlled by ya’ll or them…all meh haz ta say iz that mah opinion differs an’ that iz da way da thang iz…

 

[epan]

Catholics believe that homosexual sex is a sin, but we also believe that we all struggle with sin. When I decided to convert to the Catholic faith there were some points of view and sinful habits that weren’t compatible with being a Catholic. I gave up those points of view that weren’t Catholic. I still struggle with some of my old sinful habits, but I don’t blame the Church for my sins.

If liberals don’t agree with what the Catholic Church teaches there are other religions that do agree with them. The door to the Catholic Church is open for those who want to enter and for those who want to leave.

All the protests from the left show that they have a bad case of the forbidden fruit syndrome. Contraception, abortion, and acceptance of the “gay lifestyle” is available everywhere with the only exception being in Catholic institutions. But gay activists want to force everyone to agree with them and tell them that what they are doing is a right.

You invalidate your entire thesis by trying to associate disagreement with Catholic doctrine, and liberalism. There is much to disagree with for non Catholics, which have nothing to do with political ideologies. Also, when Catholocism has promoted social justice, in the past, prior to the current conservative reactionism, it has been associate with “liberal” political ideals, which have always been more oriented toward social justice.

Views on abortion, contraception and “gay lifestyle” (whatever that is purported to be) have nothing to do with each other.

Can you clarify what you are trying to say, in a way which is coherent and logical?

 

[livingwordunity]

Views on abortion, contraception and “gay lifestyle” (whatever that is purported to be) have nothing to do with each other.

Here’s how they are related. They all reduce the population. That’s the real reason the government is promoting all these. It has nothing to do with the government caring about people’s rights and everything to do with getting rid of people who the liberal elite view as the “unfit”.

 

[PRmerger]

You would? This from your own State Department (state.gov/j/drl/rls/hrrpt/2010/eap/154399.htm)

Arbitrary, unlawful, and extrajudicial killings by elements of the security services and political killings, including killings of journalists, by a variety of state and non-state actors continued to be serious problems.

Killings of activists, judicial officials, and local government leaders continued to be serious problems

The constitution prohibits torture, and evidence obtained through its use is inadmissible in court; however, members of the security forces and police were alleged to have routinely abused and sometimes tortured suspects and detainees.

Feel free to hitch your wagon to those guys if you’re inclined. And here’s some other countries that also believe that homosexuality is a disorder.

Algeria, Libya, Sudan, Liberia, Ethiopia, Somalia, Uganda, Angola, Guyana, Kuwait, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, Burma.

There’s lots more. I can’t say I like the company that you keep.

Bradski? Are we talking about homosexuality? Or are we talking terrorism?

Because I don’t associate the two–and I’m sure you don’t either.

You can’t switch topics here without giving us a heads up, okay?

 

[Bradski]

They all used to say it was a disorder. But they all changed their tune about it because of gays taking over the leadership of the American Psychological Association, waving a magic wand and pronouncing out of thin air that there was nothing wrong with the behavior. There was no scientific break through. They flipped based purely on a political power grab. It had zero to do with science.

The APA had already decided in 1973 to remove homosexuality from its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Psychiatric Disorders (DSM) based on scientific criteria. This via an 11 month procedure passing through 4 separate committees before reaching the board of trustees. Where it was passed. I don’t think that you’ve read a lot on this subject.

And gays taking over the leadership of the APA? Could you please post some confirmation of that if you could.

And if you think that the APA just did it as a political move, do you think the same of all the other mainstream organisations in all civilised countries all did the same?

It beggars belief.

Here’s how they are related. They all reduce the population. That’s the real reason the government is promoting all these. It has nothing to do with the government caring about people’s rights and everything to do with getting rid of people who the liberal elite view as the “unfit”.

Contraception and allowing gay marriage is a way of removing people who are unfit? Can you expand on that? I’m afraid that it doesn’t make much sense.

meh really don’t care wa’tch da shrinks say…I haz a mind an’ da thang iz no way controlled by ya’ll or them…all meh haz ta say iz that mah opinion differs an’ that iz da way da thang iz…

I’m not really sure what I could say to that. Other than I hope you were drunk when you wrote it.

 

[Bradski]

Bradski? Are we talking about homosexuality? Or are we talking terrorism? Because I don’t associate the two–and I’m sure you don’t either. You can’t switch topics here without giving us a heads up, okay?

If you want to claim that homosexuality is a disorder, then we should check with the different organisations in different countries to see how they view it (as you don’t agree with all those in your own country - they’ve all made decisions based on politics, apparently).

We find that you are disagreeing with every organisation in practically every country that you would describe as civilised and are agreeing with almost all those on the planet with the most appalling human rights records.

Do I have to join the dots?

 

[PRmerger]

If you want to claim that homosexuality is a disorder, then we should check with the different organisations in different countries to see how they view it (as you don’t agree with all those in your own country - they’ve all made decisions based on politics, apparently)

I already gave you the referent that the govt of the Philippines does view it as a disorder.

And I certainly wouldn’t mind living in the Philippines.

 

[Crescentinus]

I already gave you the referent that the govt of the Philippines does view it as a disorder.

And I certainly wouldn’t mind living in the Philippines.

It’s more fun here in the Philippines.

 

[CopticChristian]

**The APA had already decided in 1973 to remove homosexuality from its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Psychiatric Disorders (DSM) based on scientific criteria. **

This via an 11 month procedure passing through 4 separate committees before reaching the board of trustees. Where it was passed. I don’t think that you’ve read a lot on this subject.

And gays taking over the leadership of the APA? Could you please post some confirmation of that if you could.

And if you think that the APA just did it as a political move, do you think the same of all the other mainstream organisations in all civilised countries all did the same?

It beggars belief.

Contraception and allowing gay marriage is a way of removing people who are unfit? Can you expand on that? I’m afraid that it doesn’t make much sense.

I’m not really sure what I could say to that. Other than I hope you were drunk when you wrote it.

Brad,

You are humorous…did I spell that correctly…NPR, Alix Spiegel, a reporter, reported that her grandfather was gay and how the DSM was changed…you may want to change your thoughts on the notion of scientific data and why I and others have looked at the DSM as bunk

thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/204/81-Words

William Glasser, MD…has written “Psychiatry Can be hazardous to your mental Health”…found here…

amazon.ca/Warning-Psychiatry-Hazardous-Mental-Health/dp/006053866X

and Nicolosi points out that the gays run the APA task force…

josephnicolosi.com/apa-task-force/

Wake up Brad…:newidea:

 

[Bradski]

I already gave you the referent that the govt of the Philippines does view it as a disorder.

And I certainly wouldn’t mind living in the Philippines.

You’re talking to someone who has worked there. Their human rights are shocking, but you’d feel at home there at least. As you would in the other countries listed. They all feel the same way about gays as you do.

Are you still not drawing a connection here?

 

[CopticChristian]

You’re talking to someone who has worked there. Their human rights are shocking, but you’d feel at home there at least. As you would in the other countries listed. They all feel the same way about gays as you do.

Are you still not drawing a connection here?

Brad,

I have been to the Phillipines many times. In Manilla they have a great seafood restaraunt called “seafood market” and then there is the nightclub The Hobit…pretty cool…there was a guy there that sounded just like Johnny Cash…you probably know that Arnold Pineda is the lead singer for Journey now…

What I found was that people lived in a dump…yup…the dump…they called it smoky mountain…and it was pretty dismal…

People there are nice…it is a matriarchy…and I would not eat the baloot…the other food is great…

 

[PRmerger]

You’re talking to someone who has worked there.

Really? Where?

Their human rights are shocking

Well, what you mean is that their lack of human rights is shocking. And to that accusation I cannot disagree.

They all feel the same way about gays as you do.

Could you please offer the explanation about how “I feel about gays”, and how it is consonant with what the governments of these countries believe?

 

[Bradski]

People there are nice…it is a matriarchy…and I would not eat the baloot…the other food is great…

I passed on the baloot as well. I’ve eaten some wierd things, but I drew the line there. And you’re right about the people. The most family oriented people I know. We could all learn something from the way they look after their elders.

 

[PRmerger]

It’s more fun here in the Philippines.

 

[atheistgirl]

Feel free to hitch your wagon to those guys if you’re inclined. And here’s some other countries that also believe that homosexuality is a disorder.

Algeria, Libya, Sudan, Liberia, Ethiopia, Somalia, Uganda, Angola, Guyana, Kuwait, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, Burma.

And if someone provides a link, it’s a good idea to read and understand what the link is actually saying

In the Philippines, Ang Ladlad challenged the decision of COMELEC - the commission on elections - to ban it running for elections in 2010, on the basis that it was ‘‘immoral’’.

Ang Ladlad successfully challenged COMELEC in the Supreme Court, which granted it an injunction, and they ran for elections in 2010.

The Supreme Court also vilified COMELEC for it’s blatent attempt to pervert the law and constitution by appealing to religious tenets and deliberately misrepresenting Ang Ladlad.

The clue is reading what Ang Ladlad’s petition was … then going to the Ruling of the Supreme Court and seeing - **’‘Petition Granted’’ **

I strongly recommend reading the findings of the court - it has some excellent observations:

Respondent has failed to explain what societal ills are sought to be prevented, or why special protection is required for the youth. **Neither has the COMELEC condescended to justify its position that petitioner’s admission into the party-list system would be so harmful as to irreparably damage the moral fabric of society. **We, of course, do not suggest that the state is wholly without authority to regulate matters concerning morality, sexuality, and sexual relations, and we recognize that the government will and should continue to restrict behavior considered detrimental to society. Nonetheless, we cannot countenance advocates who, undoubtedly with the loftiest of intentions, situate morality on one end of an argument or another, without bothering to go through the rigors of legal reasoning and explanation. In this, the notion of morality is robbed of all value. Clearly then, the bare invocation of morality will not remove an issue from our scrutiny.

We also find the COMELEC’s reference to purported violations of our penal and civil laws flimsy, at best; disingenuous, at worst.

Rather than relying on religious belief, the legitimacy of the Assailed Resolutions should depend, instead, on whether the COMELEC is able to advance some justification for its rulings beyond mere conformity to religious doctrine. Otherwise stated, government must act for secular purposes and in ways that have primarily secular effects.

Sarah x

 

[Crescentinus]

My homeland is being attacked by homosexualists.

 

[atheistgirl]

My homeland is being attacked by homosexualists.

To the credit of the Philippines, homosexuals are not as badly treated as in other countries.

At least they can seek redress in the courts.

I’d be much more concerned about the activities of the security services there for example.

Sarah x