Why can't liberal gay activists see that we would leave them alone if they would stop attacking the Catholic Church?

[Crescentinus]

To the credit of the Philippeans, homosexuals are not as badly treated as in other countries.

At least they can seek redress in the courts.

I’d be much more concerned about the activities of the security services there for example.

Here in the Philippines, homosexuals are not treated as pariahs, devils, perennial victims nor as perfect beings. They are treated like everyone else.
It is more fun to be a GLBT here in the Philippines since they are not treated as pariahs, devils, perennial victims nor as perfect beings.
The ANG LADLAD partylist DOES NOT represent every GLBT FIlipino. For them to claim that tends to show hints of identity politics rather than a partylist.

 

[Crescentinus]

Now, I do believe in political representation but never in identity politics.

 

[atheistgirl]

Here in the Philippines, homosexuals are not treated as pariahs, devils, perennial victims nor as perfect beings. They are treated like everyone else.
It is more fun to be a GLBT here in the Philippines since they are not treated as pariahs, devils, perennial victims nor as perfect beings.

Oh, I’m not so sure: I think, like just about everywhere else, you’ve a lot more work to do:

PASIG CITY – The only political organization for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender Filipinos, Ladlad Partylist batted the ignorance of the Catholic Bishop Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) on the issue concerning the anti-discrimination bill or the Senate Bill 2814, otherwise known as Anti-Ethnic, Racial or Religious Discrimination and Profiling Act of 2011. The bill will be discussed soon by a bicameral conference committee tasked to harmonize the Senate bill with similar bills passed by the House of Representatives.

In a weekly forum Thursday, CBCP was repugnant saying that the enactment of the bill into law would open the door for the legalization of same sex marriages.

Ladlad was flabbergasted on where their paranoia is coming from as nothing in the bill refers to same-sex marriage, it merely asks for equal opportunities and protection before the law like in schools, workplace and establishment regardless of sexual orientation and gender identity.

On the other hand, the chairperson of Ladlad, Ms. Bemz Benedito was flooded with text messages and calls from their agitated members upon hearing a statement from CBCP lawyer Jo Imbong saying that the LGBT (lesbians, gays, bisexuals, transgender) should not be considered the same as the elderly, the handicapped, and the poor. Imbong further said, “These people are disadvantaged not by their own choice. But the third sex, they choose this. How can you give protection to a choice like that?”

I never said it did

The court case was about Ladlad being recognized legitimately to run for seats in elections and despite COMELEC’s efforts to have them labelled as immoral and a danger to society, the Supreme Court ruled:

WHEREFORE, the Petition is hereby GRANTED. The Resolutions of the Commission on Elections dated November 11, 2009 and December 16, 2009 in SPP No. 09-228 (PL) are hereby SET ASIDE. The Commission on Elections is directed to GRANT petitioner’s application for party-list accreditation. SO ORDERED.

The link to the Supreme Court ruling by another poster was an attempt by that poster to prove that the Philippinnes government views homosexuality as a disorder.

Nowhere in the Supreme Court ruling did it state that the civil government of the Philippines views homosexuality as disordered.

As the Judges in the case stated:

This Court’s role is not to impose its own view of acceptable behavior. Rather, it is to apply the Constitution and laws as best as it can, uninfluenced by public opinion

Sarah x

 

[Crescentinus]

Note: I am not going after what you said atheistgirl, precisely because I have not followed the previous posters that much. That, and I was trying to do something else with my previous post here.
Also, here’s a problem with your reply atheistgirl. Have you presented the views from the other side? All I see is the view from ANG LADLAD, which does make it one-sided.

 

[karoleck]

To the credit of the Philippines, homosexuals are not as badly treated as in other countries.

At least they can seek redress in the courts.

I’d be much more concerned about the activities of the security services there for example.

Sarah x

It will be interesting if this person below will “seek redress in the courts” as you put it!!

I realize that not all persons with a same sex attraction ;are as sick as this man’s allegations;however if one reads all the “spin” from the militant homosexual lobby they do “paint over” the seedier side of men ,seeking boys or women seeking young females to gratify their unnatural sexual lusts.

"A prominent leader in the gay-rights movement in California headed to jail on June 22 after police say they caught him in possession of graphic images of toddlers engaged in lewd acts of sodomy and oral sex.

Larry Brinkin was released on bail the following morning. According to the district attorney’s spokeswoman Stephanie Ong Stillman, the DA’s office “is still reviewing the case,” and does not yet know if it will file charges.

San Francisco police say Brinkin had pictures of children as young as one performing sexual acts on adult males. These images were found in the email --------------, which was linked to Brinkin’s IP address. The AOL account was also paid for with Brinkin’s credit card.

Brinkin’s email also allegedly contained graphic and racist comments on the pornography, the littBrinkin, a San Francisco native, **retired from a 22-year tenure at the Human Rights Commission in 2010. ** On the occasion, the Board of Supervisors publicly stated that Brinkin’s “[B]dedication to advance the civil rights of all people has never stopped,” referring to his focus of gay and lesbian equality[/B]. The Board of Supervisors also designated the first week of February as “Larry Brinkin Week”.

Brinkin was instrumental in crafting San Francisco’s Equal Benefits Ordinance. According to the ordinance, if an employee’s spouse receives benefits, then an employee’s domestic partner must receive the same coverage.

This followed from his 1982 lawsuit, which was the first ever to contain the term “domestic partnership.” Brinkin sued Southern Pacific Railway following the suicide of his partner of 11 years. He claimed to deserve the privilege of the customary bereavement leave given to married employees. At the time Brinkin worked as a clerk for the company. **The judge ruled against his case. **In 1993, Brinkin participated in interviews for Marc Huestis’ documentary, “Sex Is”. The thesis, according to IMBd’s plot summary, is that “sex is going to be with us, so how best do we embrace it?” In it, homosexuals talk about “their first sexual experience, the gay scene in San Francisco…, the pall cast by AIDS, [and] the safe-sex movement.” The film includes clips of pornography and archival footage.

Brinkin lives with his partner and has a teenaged son. The homosexual community is stunned by the recent arrest." (quote from a reliable news service provider.)

 

[Crescentinus]

It will be interesting if this person below will “seek redress in the courts” as you put it!!

I realize that not all persons with a same sex attraction are as sick as this man’s allegations; however if one reads all the “spin” from the militant homosexual lobby they do “paint over” the seedier side of men seeking boys or women seeking young females to gratify their unnatural sexual lusts.

"A prominent leader in the gay-rights movement in California headed to jail on June 22 after police say they caught him in possession of graphic images of toddlers engaged in lewd acts of sodomy and oral sex.

Larry Brinkin was released on bail the following morning. According to the district attorney’s spokeswoman Stephanie Ong Stillman, the DA’s office “is still reviewing the case,” and does not yet know if it will file charges.

San Francisco police say Brinkin had pictures of children as young as one performing sexual acts on adult males. These images were found in the email --------------, which was linked to Brinkin’s IP address. The AOL account was also paid for with Brinkin’s credit card.

Brinkin’s email also allegedly contained graphic and racist comments on the pornography, the littBrinkin, a San Francisco native, **retired from a 22-year tenure at the Human Rights Commission in 2010. ** On the occasion, the Board of Supervisors publicly stated that Brinkin’s “[B]dedication to advance the civil rights of all people has never stopped,” referring to his focus of gay and lesbian equality[/B]. The Board of Supervisors also designated the first week of February as “Larry Brinkin Week”.

Brinkin was instrumental in crafting San Francisco’s Equal Benefits Ordinance. According to the ordinance, if an employee’s spouse receives benefits, then an employee’s domestic partner must receive the same coverage.

This followed from his 1982 lawsuit, which was the first ever to contain the term “domestic partnership.” Brinkin sued Southern Pacific Railway following the suicide of his partner of 11 years. He claimed to deserve the privilege of the customary bereavement leave given to married employees. At the time Brinkin worked as a clerk for the company. **The judge ruled against his case. **In 1993, Brinkin participated in interviews for Marc Huestis’ documentary, “Sex Is”. The thesis, according to IMBd’s plot summary, is that “sex is going to be with us, so how best do we embrace it?” In it, homosexuals talk about “their first sexual experience, the gay scene in San Francisco…, the pall cast by AIDS, [and] the safe-sex movement.” The film includes clips of pornography and archival footage.

Brinkin lives with his partner and has a teenaged son. The homosexual community is stunned by the recent arrest." (quote from a reliable news service provider.)
[/QUOTE]
Indeed.

 

[atheistgirl]

It will be interesting if this person below will “seek redress in the courts” as you put it!!
I realize that not all persons with a same sex attraction ;are as sick as this man’s allegations;however if one reads all the “spin” from the militant homosexual lobby they do “paint over” the seedier side of men ,seeking boys or women seeking young females to gratify their unnatural sexual lusts.

You know, there’s something quite sad about that post.

Because if someone were to put up links to the horrific abuse conducted by, and covered up by, the clergy, I suspect you’d be the first to say that just because there’s a few bad apples in the clergy, doesn’t undermine the good work the rest of them do.

You might even throw out accusations of the poster enjoying posting anti clergy propaganda.

Can you provide a link to a homosexual organization that supports this man in his pedophilia?

Showing a newpaper report that a homosexual human rights campaigner was also an abuser says absolutely nothing about others who fight for the rights and equality of homosexual men and women in society.

And we also know abuse goes on in every group, at every level of society.

And I think you know that too.

So why you would post such a salacious article as if it proved some point or other, I don’t know

And yes, like any other citizen arrested, charged and convicted, he has an absolute right of the presumption of innocence, and the absolute right of appeal on conviction.

Regardless of how hideous the crimes.

This is our legal system.

(quote from a reliable news service provider.)

Sarah x

 

[Bradski]

I realize that not all persons with a same sex attraction ;are as sick as this man’s allegations;however if one reads all the “spin” from the militant homosexual lobby they do “paint over” the seedier side of men ,seeking boys or women seeking young females to gratify their unnatural sexual lusts.

It’s astonishing that I can read such a quote on a Catholic forum. The irony is breathtaking.

As was implied by AtheistGirl, if someone were to suggest that all Catholics were at fault because of a small minority of priests who abuse young boys, then you be up in arms. And you’d be quite right to be annoyed. You can’t paint one section of society as morally degenerate because you’re able to find isolated incidents.

If you could show that there had been a cover up, then that might be a valid cause for complaint. And you can decide yourself if that was meant ironically.

And in passing, it’s not really valid to say: ‘quoted from a reliable source’. It would be better if you checked the source yourself and posted a link. That would also mean that you’ve checked the story yourself and aren’t just passing on what someone else has posted.

 

[Bradski]

I do not accept the notion of “Gay”…to say and continually say “gay people” etc is an acceptance of the paradigm and not the condition. I ask you to refrain from using the word “gay” in describing your child.

The sheer effrontery is beyond any understanding I can bring to the matter.

CopticChristian:

The notion of a gay gene is relevant

CopticChristian:

Alix Spiegel, a reporter, reported that her grandfather was gay

I belong to the medical fraternity and have divorced myself from the Gay Psychiatric community

Tell you what. We could write g*y so that you’re not too put out. Or maybe just homosexuality. So my niece isn’t gay, she’s homosexual. Does that sound OK to you? For heaven’s sake, we don’t want to offend anyone.

Or we could call her deviant or disordered if you’d prefer. Whatever you think is right. Let me know. Sorry to take up your time.

 

[Lochias]

The sheer effrontery is beyond any understanding I can bring to the matter.

Tell you what. We could write g*y so that you’re not too put out. Or maybe just homosexuality. So my niece isn’t gay, she’s homosexual. Does that sound OK to you? For heaven’s sake, we don’t want to offend anyone.

Or we could call her deviant or disordered if you’d prefer. Whatever you think is right. Let me know. Sorry to take up your time.

Sounds good. Sexual attraction to the same sex as identity seems a bit extreme to me. Always has.

 

[karoleck]

It’s astonishing that I can read such a quote on a Catholic forum. The irony is breathtaking.

As was implied by AtheistGirl, if someone were to suggest that all Catholics were at fault because of a small minority of priests who abuse young boys, then you be up in arms. And you’d be quite right to be annoyed. You can’t paint one section of society as morally degenerate because you’re able to find isolated incidents.

If you could show that there had been a cover up, then that might be a valid cause for complaint. And you can decide yourself if that was meant ironically.

And in passing, it’s not really valid to say: ‘quoted from a reliable source’. It would be better if you checked the source yourself and posted a link. That would also mean that you’ve checked the story yourself and aren’t just passing on what someone else has posted.

I expected that you would reveal your true colours by what you posted.So you do not think that a person on a Catholic Forum would expose the truth! Here is a secular link to give you a fuller story==you will see that I left out a few things which I did not quote–Google Laurie Brinkin for further links .

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2165190/San-Francisco-gay-rights-icon-Larry-Brinkin-arrested-child-pornography.html

 

[Bradski]

I’m not revealing anything because I’ve not hidden anything.

And you really are missing the point. If someone wanted to denigrate the Catholic Church do you think that detailing problems with individual priests is the correct way to do it?

I’d assume not. So why are you persisting in pointing out moral problems with specific individuals that do nothing to she’d any light on the matter at hand?

 

[karoleck]

You know, there’s something quite sad about that post.

Because if someone were to put up links to the horrific abuse conducted by, and covered up by, the clergy, I suspect you’d be the first to say that just because there’s a few bad apples in the clergy, doesn’t undermine the good work the rest of them do.

You might even throw out accusations of the poster enjoying posting anti clergy propaganda.

Can you provide a link to a homosexual organization that supports this man in his pedophilia?

Showing a newpaper report that a homosexual human rights campaigner was also an abuser says absolutely nothing about others who fight for the rights and equality of homosexual men and women in society.

And we also know abuse goes on in every group, at every level of society.

And I think you know that too.

So why you would post such a salacious article as if it proved some point or other, I don’t know

And yes, like any other citizen arrested, charged and convicted, he has an absolute right of the presumption of innocence, and the absolute right of appeal on conviction.

Regardless of how hideous the crimes.

This is our legal system.



Sarah x

I posted the **Public **Newspaper report on Laurie Brinks, just to give an example of what a leader and pioneer of the miliant gay rights stands for.As you say,the legal system will deal with this issue and I believe, as it deals with any other sexual preditors ,be it a cleric or an atheist.

As a catholic,I am sick and tired of the type of attacks on our Catholic Clergy ,as you describe & mentioned by the previous poster.(the majority are good persons).I also posted the Link, as you will find that Brikins’charges have not had the same press coverage ,if he was a catholic!! (the boot is on the other foot here,unfortunately)

My childhood experience with people of a same sex attraction and into my adult hood is always going to be a personal one.My dad had friends who were afflicted with this disorder and he always treated them with christian charity(though one did try to hit on me ,only once!).I remember in my young teens there was a guy in a car used to try to pick me up many a time, when I was walking home from a dance or party.At college some of the boys used to joke about this guy called Spencer,driving around in his Humber picking up boys.They joked on what he would do ,if you accepted a ride.When I was older a mate introduced this person who was a ladies hair dresser into our group of friends(males & females) which gathered at the local hotel.We all accepted him,even though he was effeminate, until one night ,he caught his younger 15year old brother in the arms of this person who was much older(he was his boss at work training him).Even in my twenties,every now and then I was accosted by an older male trying to pick me up.I also remember that a lot of these people used to hang around public toilets.I could continue but I am sure that you get the drift–

The reason I have mentioned my few examples is to give you my perception that there is a preditory aspect of a same sex attraction lifestyle.There are many “gay rights groups” who want to lower the age of consent.They also want to have access to school children to introduce the homosexual lifestyle as early as possible(and call it a normal behaviour) ;as this will give them a ready supply of sexual “fodder”(or females for same sex women)

 

[karoleck]

I’m not revealing anything because I’ve not hidden anything.

And you really are missing the point. If someone wanted to denigrate the Catholic Church do you think that detailing problems with individual priests is the correct way to do it?

I’d assume not. So why are you persisting in pointing out moral problems with specific individuals that do nothing to she’d any light on the matter at hand?

Why should I argue on your terms? Here is a great link from your aussie land,maybe this link might help you to see what a marriage is—mmmmm

youtube.com/watch?v=7nlnUMMhMwg

 

[Bradski]

It’s a good advert for keeping marriage. If I was going to write one I’d like to think it would be something like that. But I don’t agree with it.

Gay people can’t get married in Australia yet. But the polls indicate that the majority want it already. It will probably be allowed within a few years.

Incidentally, our Prime Minister is an atheist who is living with someone to whom she is not married, but she disagrees with gay marriage. It’s not just the ‘right wing’ who disagrees with it.

 

[CopticChristian]

The sheer effrontery is beyond any understanding I can bring to the matter.

Tell you what. We could write g*y so that you’re not too put out. Or maybe just homosexuality. So my niece isn’t gay, she’s homosexual. Does that sound OK to you? For heaven’s sake, we don’t want to offend anyone.

Or we could call her deviant or disordered if you’d prefer. Whatever you think is right. Let me know. Sorry to take up your time.

Brad,

Your opposition is more than one line suggesting it caused you consternation…I suggest…

Hetersexual with same sex attraction.

Thank you

 

[Elizabeth502]

Sexual attraction to the same sex as identity seems a bit extreme to me. Always has.

It is extreme. It is more than extreme. It’s a distortion of reality, a distortion of identity, a distortion of life in its balance. (i.e., in that sense, deviant and disordered — not with a framework of order.)

 

[CopticChristian]

It’s a good advert for keeping marriage. If I was going to write one I’d like to think it would be something like that. But I don’t agree with it.

Gay people can’t get married in Australia yet. But the polls indicate that the majority want it already. It will probably be allowed within a few years.

Incidentally, our Prime Minister is an atheist who is living with someone to whom she is not married, but she disagrees with gay marriage. It’s not just the ‘right wing’ who disagrees with it.

Bradski,

The heterosexuals with same sex attraction that you refer to as “gay” cannot get married because they are a bunch of bloody galars, probably spent too much time out behind the black stump and many may be bloody drongos…then there are of course those that may be winding POHM’s…that may be part of the problem…

 

[Regular_Atheist]

Why can’t conservative Catholics realise that gay activists would leave them alone if they just realised that not everyone believes in the abrahamic God or the concept of sin?

 

[Stephen168]

Why can’t conservative Catholics realise that gay activists would leave them alone if they just realised that not everyone believes in the abrahamic God or the concept of sin?

Catholics disagree with homosexual activists, so that gives homosexual activists the right to disrupt the Mass? Mock the Religious?