Why can't Muslims take a joke?

[inJESUS]

ahimsaman72:

Good, at least I have something to work from. I was beginning to feel like I was in the Twilight Zone.

The verses from the Koran seem to be speaking mainly of tribute money to be paid and also of fighting. Now, is this fighting construed as physical or fighting as in “striving”? I sometimes say, “so and so was fighting with his wife”, when I really mean “arguing”.

And, is it possible that if the interpretation is “striving” then maybe these fundamentalist Muslims are re-interpreting for their modern agenda. Just thinking out loud here.

Peace…

did these passages look metaphorical to you? did you find in them a"spiritual" striving?

 

[ahimsaman72]

bengeorge:

You’re right, they’re absolutely identical in every respect. Remember the big uproar when Sinead O’Connor tore up pictures of the Pope? I myself shot three SNL comedians.

And when you say this:

I mean, that’s so true. They are both equally ridiculous, right? It’s like: draw some adolecent cartoons, blow up a few embassies and murder people, back and forth. So silly!

Your moral clarity astounds me.

So, then you believe the cartoons were in good taste and humor considering the climate of tension between the East and West? Interesting. I’d like to know your thoughts about this situation beyond this rhetoric.

Peace…

 

[ahimsaman72]

inJESUS:

did these passages look metaphorical to you? did you find in them a"spiritual" striving?

I didn’t say it seemed “spiritual” but it could be political, don’t you think? Considering the mesh of politics and religion, why is that such a far-fetched idea?

I must say the sentiment here on the forum on Muslims is disturbing.

Peace…

 

[inJESUS]

ahimsaman72:

I didn’t say it seemed “spiritual” but it could be political, don’t you think? Considering the mesh of politics and religion, why is that such a far-fetched idea?

I must say the sentiment here on the forum on Muslims is disturbing.

Peace…

correct, that’s why i already said there is no separation between state and religion in islam

sentiment on muslims? absolutly not…sentiment on islam.

 

[bengeorge]

ahimsaman72:

Your baseless rhetoric astounds me as well.

Anyone (like you) who tries to pretend that the fundamentalist Christians are ANYTHING LIKE the fundamentalist Muslims has no room to call “baseless” the rhetoric of someone who is following YOUR OWN contention to its logical end.

These murderous riots are about CARTOONS. That’s not rhetoric, that’s a statement of fact.

 

[ahimsaman72]

bengeorge:

Anyone (like you) who tries to pretend that the fundamentalist Christians are ANYTHING LIKE the fundamentalist Muslims has no room to call “baseless” the rhetoric of someone who is following YOUR OWN contention to its logical end.

These murderous riots are about CARTOONS. That’s not rhetoric, that’s a statement of fact.

Pat Robertson: “This is a bad guy. He should be taken out” (referring to Venezuelan president)

Rioting Muslim: “Death to the one who insults the Prophet!”

Sounds about right to me

What’s the difference?

 

[ahimsaman72]

bengeorge:

These murderous riots are about CARTOONS. That’s not rhetoric, that’s a statement of fact.

You just don’t get it, do you?

CARTOONS: Dennis the Menace, B.C. etc

HATRED: Pictures of Mohammed with a bomb attached to his head

This is not your Sunday funnies paper. This was an intentional insult on a religion which frankly needs no more excuses to commit violent acts.

Peace…

 

[inJESUS]

ahimsaman72:

Pat Robertson: “This is a bad guy. He should be taken out” (referring to Venezuelan president)

Rioting Muslim: “Death to the one who insults the Prophet!”

Sounds about right to me

What’s the difference?

unbelievable.

 

[ahimsaman72]

inJESUS:

unbelievable.

What is the difference between the two?

Both espouse violence on another person because they don’t like the other one’s viewpoint.

What’s the difference?

 

[StMarkEofE]

ahimsaman72:

Pat Robertson: “This is a bad guy. He should be taken out” (referring to Venezuelan president)

Rioting Muslim: “Death to the one who insults the Prophet!”

Sounds about right to me

What’s the difference?

Well, for one thing, I dont see any of Pat’s followers burning the Venezuelan embassies, or burning the Venezuelan flags in the middle of U.S. streets, do you?

 

[ahimsaman72]

StMarkEofE:

Well, for one thing, I dont see any of Pat’s followers burning the Venezuelan embassies, or burning the Venezuelan flags in the middle of U.S. streets, do you?

Both call for the death of another one because of their deeply held religious beliefs. Both are wrong. Are both people wrong?

 

[StMarkEofE]

ahimsaman72:

Both call for the death of another one because of their deeply held religious beliefs. Both are wrong. Are both people wrong?

Well, for one thing, saying it and doing it are two different things. And if you cant see that than you are too far gone to be reasoned with.

 

[StMarkEofE]

ahimsaman72:

Both call for the death of another one because of their deeply held religious beliefs. Both are wrong. Are both people wrong?

Granted both are wrong, but it may also depend on if one of the other provokes a physical response much as what you see today in the Muslim parts of the world in regards to this cartoon thing.

 

[ahimsaman72]

StMarkEofE:

Well, for one thing, saying it and doing it are two different things. And if you cant see that than you are too far gone to be reasoned with.

The point is that there are bad people and bad ideas in all groups. You can’t see that Pat Robertson and the kid holding the “kill the cartoonist” are one and the same. Both are using their ill-advised free speech to speak out against another human being and call for violence. Some Muslims have attacked embassies. The MAJORITY have not. The MAJORITY of Christians are also peaceful people.

I suppose my biggest fallacy is believing in peace - in PEACE. Man, I guess that is such a crazy idea after all.

Geez…

I’ve had enough.

Peace to all…

 

[ahimsaman72]

StMarkEofE:

Granted both are wrong, but it may also depend on if one of the other provokes a physical response much as what you see today in the Muslim parts of the world in regards to this cartoon thing.

Great! So, we both agree both are wrong. That’s a start. Well yes, it does depend on the person’s influence. There are many, many people who follow on every word that falls from Pat Robertson’s mouth. He could potentially be a real threat - really!

Everyone has a stake in this. All our future’s are at stake. We need to take a step back and really consider how we are going to deal with this kind of fundamentalism. The moderate Muslims in England (who are the majority) seem to work well with the government. Maybe we can learn something from them.

Peace…

 

[StMarkEofE]

ahimsaman72:

Great! So, we both agree both are wrong. That’s a start. Well yes, it does depend on the person’s influence. There are many, many people who follow on every word that falls from Pat Robertson’s mouth. He could potentially be a real threat - really!

Everyone has a stake in this. All our future’s are at stake. We need to take a step back and really consider how we are going to deal with this kind of fundamentalism. The moderate Muslims in England (who are the majority) seem to work well with the government. Maybe we can learn something from them.

Peace…

Potentially, is far from the action that we are talking about. And I doubt very seriously if anyone would take him seriously when he says those things. And for another thing, he can hardly be compared to the thousands of demonstrations that are occuring as I write this. It is silly and foolish to compare the two. They are so far apart. I for one will not approve of restricting one’s right to say what ever he wants no matter how foolish it sounds. To do so would place us in a police or theocratic state, a state that no one wants.

 

[StMarkEofE]

ahimsaman72:

The point is that there are bad people and bad ideas in all groups. You can’t see that Pat Robertson and the kid holding the “kill the cartoonist” are one and the same. Both are using their ill-advised free speech to speak out against another human being and call for violence. Some Muslims have attacked embassies. The MAJORITY have not. The MAJORITY of Christians are also peaceful people.

I suppose my biggest fallacy is believing in peace - in PEACE. Man, I guess that is such a crazy idea after all.

Geez…

I’ve had enough.

Peace to all…

I dont know if Pat R. is a bad person or not, I can not judge him, and we shouldnt either. Many people say silly and rediculous things that get themselves into trouble. And furthermore, Pat R. DID APPOLOGISE for his recent remarks if you didnt catch it in the media.

 

[ahimsaman72]

StMarkEofE:

Potentially, is far from the action that we are talking about. And I doubt very seriously if anyone would take him seriously when he says those things. And for another thing, he can hardly be compared to the thousands of demonstrations that are occuring as I write this. It is silly and foolish to compare the two. They are so far apart. I for one will not approve of restricting one’s right to say what ever he wants no matter how foolish it sounds. To do so would place us in a police or theocratic state, a state that no one wants.

It only seems silly and foolish for those who don’t see the similarity that exists. There are right now Christian Identity groups (whether you want to call them Christian or not) who want to take over the country and exclude all blacks, homosexuals and infidels and are prepared to do it by force. The difference is that they are few in number.

There’s also National Socialists who want to (politically) take over the government and do the same thing. There’s gangs in this country like the MS13 gang that is growing at an alarming rate in over 30 states. There’s also eco-terrorists setting fires to SUV dealerships. Remember the federal building in Oklahoma City? Remember the bombing in Atlanta? Those weren’t Muslims, they were fringe, homicidal people that were your typical normal Americans.

The point is that there are more dangerous people living right underneath our noses than Muslims trying to destroy this country. They live next door to you maybe. Or they will be soon.
I’m more concerned about them than about Muslims taking over America. And you should be too.

I will not support censorship either from the government. I want democracy. Why shouldn’t there be personal moral and ethical responsibilites in existence though? It’s not about censorship - it’s about ethical conduct and moral responsibility for which the creater of the cartoons to this day has no regret of making or having published.

Peace…

 

[ahimsaman72]

StMarkEofE:

I dont know if Pat R. is a bad person or not, I can not judge him, and we shouldnt either. Many people say silly and rediculous things that get themselves into trouble. And furthermore, Pat R. DID APPOLOGISE for his recent remarks if you didnt catch it in the media.

I didn’t call him a bad person. I would call him foolish and misled by own convictions. I judge his behavior which in recent years has become more and more bizarre. You have to remember that this guy ran for PRESIDENT years ago. Imagine if his present thoughts and convictions were with him back then and he won the election?!?! What a mess he would make of this country and our relationship to the rest of the world.

I used to watch him and like his teachings some 10 years ago, but he’s so far off base now it’s scary. I wish him no harm. I only wish he would stop his ridiculous and hateful remarks.

Peace…

 

[Ella]

ahimsaman72, again, I like your posts. You’re the only one on these forums urging moderation. There’s alot of emotion on both sides.