Why can't women simply say "I'm not interested." to men?

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I was trying to encourage her that she is normal. She said that she’s “pretty sure” she’s on the spectrum, which sounded humorous to me. I seriously wonder if I’d be on the spectrum if I were a kid today.
Very likely. And if you were a kid today with engaged and well-informed parents, you’d do social skills groups, your parents would make sure you had playdates and would very consciously cultivate your social life for you, and they’d make sure that you had birthday parties with classmates, no matter how much the idea made them want to change their names and move to a different state, and they’d make sure that you had whatever other therapies or activities you needed, and they’d give you pointers about social life at college. Parenting today is not what it used to be.

My 12-year-old has friends, she functions fairly well socially and is well-liked at her small private school, she’s doing well academically (with some accommodations here and there), and she no longer falls out of chairs, walks into doorways, emits a steady and very disruptive moaning noise in class, throws multi-hour tantrums, or any of the other serious problems she had as a 6 and 7-year-old. We had issues, let me tell you.

When you get a diagnosis of Asperger’s for a child, you look at yourself, you look at your spouse, you look at your parents and siblings and various ancestors, as well as your spouse’s parents and siblings and various ancestors. A lot of the time, certain patterns emerge as as with many things, there is a large genetic component to autism. There’s a lot of stuff my daughter has that I wish I had had as a child, but of course once you change one thing, who knows how differently life would end up? As I am basically contented with my lot in life, I don’t regret the fact that my parents couldn’t or wouldn’t do the stuff that I do for my daughter.

It’s actually more cheerful to believe that one fits into a particular category with particular predictable issues, rather than either believing that either a) the whole world is being mean to you (what I believed as a child) or b) that you are horribly and uniquely flawed as an individual (which is what you may believe about yourself).
 
And today, a girl who called me back out of the blue a week after texting her agreed to meet. Funny, because I didn’t even realize who she was when she called. I came up with the time and place. The first time she said that she had some tax deadline to meet and had a lot of work to do that day. (There’s tax deadlines in October?) I rescheduled for today. Today she said that her car couldn’t start and she is getting it fixed.

I texted her that if she doesn’t want to meet, it’s fine. She quickly replied that she’s getting a rental car and can’t meet until then, but I flat out replied that when someone cancels twice I usually assume they’re not interested, and that she can let me know when she wants to meet.
Sorry CaliLobo, but as others have said, I don’t think you handled this one well.

When a girl calls you, especially out of the blue, that’s as clear a sign as you will get that she is interested.

Things came up, but she gave specific reasons and wanted to make an effort to overcome them. You should have given her more opportunity and not cut her off so quickly.
So the streak continues. What’s worse now is that I’m losing confidence in myself.
The streak hasn’t continued. You rejected her. This one is on you.

But it may not be too late to change it. Why not give her a call and see if she’s free to meet up?
Her excuses don’t sound much different from those of other women who weren’t interested. People will move mountains to make the time if they are interested. I don’t buy most excuses.
There is a difference between “excuses” and “reasons” and you have potentially made a big mistake by assuming the worst here.

May I make a suggestion? Based on this recent situation, I believe your fear of rejection is now making you bail on opportunities before they can sting you. That’s an understandable and natural reaction. But you must overcome it. There is no way around the risk involved here - if you want to find love, you must be vulnerable to being hurt.
 
Hey my thread’s back, sweet. So… I was on a dinner date with some friends, there was this one couple in our group where the girl was rather out of this dude’s league in my estimation, but the one thing he had going for him was that he had that socially adept aloof jerk vibe that probably made him quite attractive to her. (This is one of those cases where I just don’t see how she finds him attractive if you get my drift, so I had to find the explanation in this.)

Someone like me might be the kind of guy who would make a girl’s mother happy (I’ve experienced this a few times lol), but I probably give off that “churchy”, awkward needy nerdy nice guy vibe instead of that worldly aloof jerk vibe that seems to attract cute catholic girls.

I mean I’m a good actor, star of my high school play one year, but I just can’t put on this jerk vibe like he’s got because I feel it would be betraying who I am. But who I am makes it hard to even get the time of day from girls. Not sure what to do…just thinking about getting a gf when most girls seem to hate guys with my vibe makes me want to stop thinking about getting a gf. But women are so cute… wat do?

Priesthood’s looking more appealing by the day tbh.
 
Hey my thread’s back, sweet. So… I was on a dinner date with some friends, there was this one couple in our group where the girl was rather out of this dude’s league in my estimation, but the one thing he had going for him was that he had that socially adept aloof jerk vibe that probably made him quite attractive to her. (This is one of those cases where I just don’t see how she finds him attractive if you get my drift, so I had to find the explanation in this.)

Someone like me might be the kind of guy who would make a girl’s mother happy (I’ve experienced this a few times lol), but I probably give off that “churchy”, awkward needy nerdy nice guy vibe instead of that worldly aloof jerk vibe that seems to attract cute catholic girls.

I mean I’m a good actor, star of my high school play one year, but I just can’t put on this jerk vibe like he’s got because I feel it would be betraying who I am. But who I am makes it hard to even get the time of day from girls. Not sure what to do…just thinking about getting a gf when most girls seem to hate guys with my vibe makes me want to stop thinking about getting a gf. But women are so cute… wat do?

Priesthood’s looking more appealing by the day tbh.
After a continuous series of rejections over many years I became jaded. I became that jerk of a guy you encountered; and, predictably, the rejections dropped dramatically. It isn’t something I planned or would recommend for anyone else. I just changed.
 
After a continuous series of rejections over many years I became jaded. I became that jerk of a guy you encountered; and, predictably, the rejections dropped dramatically. It isn’t something I planned or would recommend for anyone else. I just changed.
The Graphic® strikes again.

But I see some churchy nice guy nerds who have cool women in their lives, they figured a away around The Graphic®. I had this prof in university who was a total churchy history geek (I think he went to cambridge which is history nerd central) and his wife was lovely.
 
Hey my thread’s back, sweet. So… I was on a dinner date with some friends, there was this one couple in our group where the girl was rather out of this dude’s league in my estimation, but the one thing he had going for him was that he had that socially adept aloof jerk vibe that probably made him quite attractive to her. (This is one of those cases where I just don’t see how she finds him attractive if you get my drift, so I had to find the explanation in this.)

**Again, socially adept is not the same as aloof jerk–totally different things.

It’s good not to be totally clingy, though. The second advice letter here has an example of a guy who has problems with that (warning: non-CAF language).

doctornerdlove.com/2014/10/ask-dr-nerdlove-break-bro-code/**

You’ll notice from that letter how EXTRAORDINARILY patient and tolerant women can be toward “wounded bird” type men, even when they shouldn’t.

Someone like me might be the kind of guy who would make a girl’s mother happy (I’ve experienced this a few times lol), but I probably give off that “churchy”, awkward needy nerdy nice guy vibe instead of that worldly aloof jerk vibe that seems to attract cute catholic girls.

I mean I’m a good actor, star of my high school play one year, but I just can’t put on this jerk vibe like he’s got because I feel it would be betraying who I am. But who I am makes it hard to even get the time of day from girls. Not sure what to do…just thinking about getting a gf when most girls seem to hate guys with my vibe makes me want to stop thinking about getting a gf. But women are so cute… wat do?

Find women who share your interests. Also, get more interests (ideally co-ed ones). Be good at stuff.

Priesthood’s looking more appealing by the day tbh.
You’d have to deal with women a lot as a priest.
 
The Graphic® strikes again.

But I see some churchy nice guy nerds who have cool women in their lives, they figured a away around The Graphic®. I had this prof in university who was a total churchy history geek (I think he went to cambridge which is history nerd central) and his wife was lovely.
A lot of women (especially smart women) like smart men who are good at things even when they aren’t the black leather jacket motorcycle-riding hyper-masculine jerk that a lot of men believe they need to turn themselves into.

I’m married to a professor who was a graduate student and had never dated anybody else when we met.
 
I look around the upper middle class professional dads in my peer group and I just don’t see any aloof jerks. It’s just not a functional personality trait in a white collar family guy.

An aloof jerk would be a disaster as a father and a husband.
 
Also, not to monopolize the thread, but priests need superb interpersonal skills.
 
Hey my thread’s back, sweet. So… I was on a dinner date with some friends, there was this one couple in our group where the girl was rather out of this dude’s league in my estimation, but the one thing he had going for him was that he had that socially adept aloof jerk vibe that probably made him quite attractive to her. (This is one of those cases where I just don’t see how she finds him attractive if you get my drift, so I had to find the explanation in this.)

Someone like me might be the kind of guy who would make a girl’s mother happy (I’ve experienced this a few times lol), but I probably give off that “churchy”, awkward needy nerdy nice guy vibe instead of that worldly aloof jerk vibe that seems to attract cute catholic girls.

I mean I’m a good actor, star of my high school play one year, but I just can’t put on this jerk vibe like he’s got because I feel it would be betraying who I am. But who I am makes it hard to even get the time of day from girls. Not sure what to do…just thinking about getting a gf when most girls seem to hate guys with my vibe makes me want to stop thinking about getting a gf. But women are so cute… wat do?

Priesthood’s looking more appealing by the day tbh.
If it makes you feel any better, some (silly) girls only date the jerks, but no girl wants to marry that guy. Maybe some girls aren’t ready to settle down, and that’s okay.
I never paid attention to jerks because I know my worth and there is no way I am letting a “bad boy” who has no goals and is going no where bring me down. Why anyone would want to date that is beyond me.
Don’t give up on finding those good girls, but maybe try to relax and not be so needy. Once you loosen that grip and try to occupy your mind with other interests, the good ones will appear.
 
Sorry CaliLobo, but as others have said, I don’t think you handled this one well.

When a girl calls you, especially out of the blue, that’s as clear a sign as you will get that she is interested.
Ive been in Cali’s situation before and Im pretty sure the girl is not interested. Some girls keep guys in their “Recycling Bin.” Theyre deleted, but if they ever need a last ditch option or see a need in the guy for something down the road, they can always “restore” those lost files, or in this case, restore the guy and use him for something. Sounds like something better just came up and she changed her mind.
 
If it makes you feel any better, some (silly) girls only date the jerks, but no girl wants to marry that guy. Maybe some girls aren’t ready to settle down, and that’s okay.
I never paid attention to jerks because I know my worth and there is no way I am letting a “bad boy” who has no goals and is going no where bring me down. Why anyone would want to date that is beyond me.
Don’t give up on finding those good girls, but maybe try to relax and not be so needy. Once you loosen that grip and try to occupy your mind with other interests, the good ones will appear.
There is a Biblical basis for this. runwaymodel is very wise to have posted about this.

King David’s brothers were in the tent begging Samuel to pick them to be king but Samuel picked the young boy who was busy working, tending the sheep, doing what he was supposed to do and not worried about becoming rich and powerful.

Jesus picked James and John when they were busy mending their fishing nets. Jesus picked Peter and Andrew as they were casting nets into the sea, busy fishing and trying to earn a living. Jesus picked Matthew, a tax collector, as he sat in the office working. Jesus even spoke to the Samaritan woman with five husbands as she worked, carrying a water jar to the well.

These were busy doing what they were supposed to be doing, working hard, tending to the needs of their families, studying, praying, faithful to the small things in life and not worrying about the future. That’s when Jesus picks people.

-Tim-
 
You’d have to deal with women a lot as a priest.
Yeah, and then Murphy’s Law will strike again, and the women will start liking you because they feel safe around you, and then it’s like, “But I can’t… I’m a priest! Doh!”
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runwaymodel:
If it makes you feel any better, some (silly) girls only date the jerks, but no girl wants to marry that guy. Maybe some girls aren’t ready to settle down, and that’s okay.
I never paid attention to jerks because I know my worth and there is no way I am letting a “bad boy” who has no goals and is going no where bring me down. Why anyone would want to date that is beyond me.
Don’t give up on finding those good girls, but maybe try to relax and not be so needy. Once you loosen that grip and try to occupy your mind with other interests, the good ones will appear.
You keep saying that you don’t want “bad boys” who have no goals, but since you mentioned you’re adventurous, I can see you with a thrilling “bad boy” motorcycle guy who does have goals. 😃

You seem much stronger and more assertive than the average woman. Have you ever wondered whether your assertiveness combined with your physical looks are intimidating to men? (Trust me, men can find that combo intimidating.) It must be nice to have such high standards when you are pretty, and men approach you left and right. Sometimes I resent the fact that attractive women have no troubles with dating. They can just stand there and be pretty, whereas men like me are left wondering if they’ll ever find another girlfriend, and debate every day with themselves whether they have to settle.

But let me guess, you’ve been unimpressed by the personalities of the men that approach you, right? I ran into a few previous posts of yours; you’ve had relationship troubles too, right?
Eternal One:
Ive been in Cali’s situation before and Im pretty sure the girl is not interested. Some girls keep guys in their “Recycling Bin.” Theyre deleted, but if they ever need a last ditch option or see a need in the guy for something down the road, they can always “restore” those lost files, or in this case, restore the guy and use him for something. Sounds like something better just came up and she changed her mind.
Yeah I agree. It’s the fact that she called out of the blue almost two weeks later that appears incongruent. If she was interested she wouldn’t do such a thing.
 
I feel like withdrawing from the world socially and focusing on my work and hobbies. Maybe then, my life will be so occupied that I’ll unexpectedly attract someone?

Over the weekend I went to a few social gatherings. Saturday a random one from Meetup.com, and Sunday from my Protestant group.

(By the way, the girl I mentioned from the Protestant gathering that I met last Wednesday… I wasn’t expecting a thing, and guess what–she barely acknowledged me and didn’t talk to me.)

It was nice to say hi to people I knew, but I just wasn’t feeling it. It felt like I didn’t fully enjoy being around people at all. Like, it wasn’t worth my time to get to know new people because I wasn’t sure I’d see them again, or show witty banter for the sake of it because I just didn’t care enough put in the effort.

And then I give off an awkward vibe, because I’m not fully enjoying myself, and it all comes crashing down from there. I start being distracted in my own thoughts–maybe my mild autism is kicking in. 😃

I know I need to get out there socially to meet a girlfriend, but social gatherings feel so mentally difficult sometimes, and can be downright competitive. When combined with the fact that these “friendships” are likely shallow and fleeting, or could even turn into betrayal, I just don’t feel like putting enough effort into them.

How does one form a satisfying social life outside of the Protestant church? In a Catholic parish?

How does one form a satisfying social life outside of religion?

How much of a role for you did prayer have in searching/waiting for a spouse?
 
You keep saying that you don’t want “bad boys” who have no goals, but since you mentioned you’re adventurous, I can see you with a thrilling “bad boy” motorcycle guy who does have goals. 😃

You seem much stronger and more assertive than the average woman. Have you ever wondered whether your assertiveness combined with your physical looks are intimidating to men? (Trust me, men can find that combo intimidating.) It must be nice to have such high standards when you are pretty, and men approach you left and right. Sometimes I resent the fact that attractive women have no troubles with dating. They can just stand there and be pretty, whereas men like me are left wondering if they’ll ever find another girlfriend, and debate every day with themselves whether they have to settle.

But let me guess, you’ve been unimpressed by the personalities of the men that approach you, right? I ran into a few previous posts of yours; you’ve had relationship troubles too, right?
Attractive women DO have trouble in dating. We seem to attract everyone, the good and the bad, so unless you have good instincts you can get stuck with someone who doesn’t truly care to know about you but only wants arm candy. Or they get possessive and jealous. It can be frustrating but over the years I have learned to not tolerate anything of that sort, perhaps that is why I am so assertive now. My intention is not to intimidate men, I really am quite nice which is often misinterpreted with flirting. I don’t flirt. Go figure.

And no, I don’t like the wild adventurous ones–I want a calm and mature man to counter my own adventurous personality. I suppose that’s why I always date much older than my own age.
 
It must be nice to have such high standards when you are pretty, and men approach you left and right. Sometimes I resent the fact that attractive women have no troubles with dating. They can just stand there and be pretty, whereas men like me are left wondering if they’ll ever find another girlfriend, and debate every day with themselves whether they have to settle.
Trust me, the sort of men you get who just approach a woman like that are rarely good for much of anything. I’m sure I could get plenty of boys (it’s rare such men are my own age even) who would like to leer and stare at my chest while they get themselves high and wasted and try to put their hands everywhere. Maybe if you want a cheap thrill that would be exciting, but such men are in no sense ready to be partners. And they’re going to treat you little better than a cheap prostitute. It’s a trap for young women who want cheap no-string sex, or who haven’t learned that’s all they’re getting out of such a man.

You might do better to be involved in a task-oriented group than a social group. Perhaps a volunteer effort of some sort? Or maybe see if there’s somewhere you can take some classes. Having something to do can take a lot of the awkwardness out.
 
You might do better to be involved in a task-oriented group than a social group. Perhaps a volunteer effort of some sort? Or maybe see if there’s somewhere you can take some classes. Having something to do can take a lot of the awkwardness out.
Yes!
 
For about the 50th time…maybe that’ll be the charm…
Maybe!

I think initial activities where one is working with and alongside rather than just gazing uncomfortably into the other person’s eyes are a good idea, especially for the awkward.
 
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