Why Catholics Should Vote for Trump article

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What we have seen in the US over the past few years was, in fact, a coup effort to depose a sitting president: People like Lisa Page & Peter Strzok belong in jail, as do, for example, those who procured fraudulent FISA warrants, etc., knowing their applications were based on falsified data.
 
Yes and I think it is going to come to light that this coup is so extensive through it’s connections within and without the government, including the DNC, that people are going to be shocked. More information is coming to light every day…
 
Perhaps in your opinion since you don’t vote. For those who choose between the two candidates offered, the corruption and audacity shown by this scandal to discount the vote of the American people, may sway independents who are on the fence.
The vote of the American People in 2016 was for Hillary, she won more of the popular vote than Trump.

As for discounting the vote of the Electoral College - well, as a non-American I frankly don’t see the point of the College at all, really. But that’s just me.
 
The popular vote is completely irrelevant to this issue. It has nothing to do with corrupt officials and media conspiring a plot to overthrow a validly elected President according to the election laws of this country. A popular vote does not justify a coup.
 
As for discounting the vote of the Electoral College - well, as a non-American I frankly don’t see the point of the College at all, really. But that’s just me.
The electoral college is what keeps the massive population imbalance (on the coasts, mainly) from overruling the vast expanse of the US that isn’t on the coasts.
 
Now, see, RuthAnne, here’s where you’re incorrect: The system isn’t “rigged” against someone who’s not D or R. Saying it’s “rigged” implies the outcome is fraudulent, i.e., the votes are 2000 for person x and 1000 for person y but the counters switch the numbers deliberately. I think sometimes that does occur in the US but rarely or on a small scale.

As it is, it’s just developed that most American politics are dominated by the D and R parties. The “alternatives” are like 1) Italy or countries like them, where there are like 30 political parties, all of whom have to constantly bargain with one another to get anything done; or 2) 1-party systems like China. So “it’s just developed this way” doesn’t really mean the system is “rigged,” it just means that the R & D parties have a lot of clout.
While this is perhaps a more loose usage of “rigged” than a dictionary would give, it is true the system is set up in such a way to so heavily favor the Democrats or Republicans… or more accurately, whatever the two major parties are, which has been the Democrats or Republicans for the last 150 years or so. It’s “rigged” in the same way gerrymandering is “rigging” an election.

But whether “rigged” is the proper term, what is clear is that our system, specifically its first-past-the-post nature, is set up to favor the 2-party system. Undoubtedly the people who set up first past the post had no intention of cementing a 2-party system (political parties as we know them did not even really exist at the time of the country’s founding), but the maintenance of it certainly does continue to favor such a thing far more intentionally.

For those unaware, first past the post, also known as plurality voting, is an election system in which everyone votes for one candidate, and whoever gets the most votes wins. While it has the benefit of being simple and easy to understand, it strongly discourages people to actually vote for who they think is the best candidate; constant talk of “throwing your vote away” or “a vote for anyone but Candidate A is a vote for Candidate B!” demonstrates this quite easily.

While there are a number of possible fixes in the US, the one I think has the most promise is Ranked Choice Voting. While it is possible things like proportional representation, or a mixture of proportional representation and first-past-the-post (which is what Italy does), I favor RCV as it would be the easiest to implement and seems to be the most popular. On the state level Maine has it in place, Massachusetts and Alaska are going to have referendums on putting it into effect statewide this year.

Ultimately, to say “it’s just developed this way” is to ignore the fact that this supposed development was mostly the result of the electoral system that is practically designed to favor our current situation of the Democrats and Republicans being so dominant. You cite Italy, but note that Italy’s voting system is set up differently than the US’s; what we see is a consequence of that.
 
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As for discounting the vote of the Electoral College - well, as a non-American I frankly don’t see the point of the College at all, really. But that’s just me.
The electoral college is what keeps the massive population imbalance (on the coasts, mainly) from overruling the vast expanse of the US that isn’t on the coasts.
I thought that the Senate was meant to do that - keep the more populous states from overwhelming the less populous ones by allocating the same number of Senators to each state. Our Australian Senate does the same job and seems to do it just fine, no need that I can see for any extra layers of complication.
 
We - the United States of America - are not a Democracy but a Representative Republic. With aspects of a Democracy - but not a pure Democracy.

First - pure democracies with one person one vote can be tyrannical and impose injustices upon minority groups with less political clout. Something our framers understood and took pains to balance the representation in the nation to balance that trend.

We are the United States of America not the United Citizens of America. Even in Colonial times there were States that had large populations and cities with a large populace. In order for the more rural and less populated States to join in the Union there needed to be protections that their interests would be protected - and that the shear political muscle of states with huge populations could not impose their will upon the less populated states to their detriment …as I said it is a balance

That is one reason why each state has equal representation in senate [2 Senators per state - each State represented equally] and why the house has representation based upon population [each state has Representatives based upon their population] - ergo California, Texas, Florida and New York have more representation than Montana, North Dakota, Alaska and Oregon … the Electoral College provides a similar level balance. The electoral college ensures that the president is elected to represent the nation as a whole - Alaska, Montana and North Dakota included - not just the interests of California, New York and Florida
 
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The electoral college is what keeps the massive population imbalance (on the coasts, mainly) from overruling the vast expanse of the US that isn’t on the coasts.
Thats not why it was created. It was created because the people can’t be trusted to vote for a president.

So Lets use last election for example; everyone could have voted for trump but if the college is in a mood they could vote in trump anyway.
There is nothing stopping that from happening in law, its just not wise to do that or the recent riots would be nothing in comparison.
 
See, that’s the problem. This shows how corrupt and twisted the system is. It appears that there are only two candidates offered when there are many. It’s rigged against anyone who is not a D or an R.
The requirement to raise vast sums of money in order to participate as a viable candidate is highly problematic. But both major political parties would not want to see that change.
 
My moral system doesn’t require that I vote for a candidate who I can’t support.
But it allows you to look the other way when confronted by an evil you can act to oppose? You can’t possibly think that’s a moral position.
 
I thought that the Senate was meant to do that - keep the more populous states from overwhelming the less populous ones by allocating the same number of Senators to each state. Our Australian Senate does the same job and seems to do it just fine, no need that I can see for any extra layers of complication.
Senators were originally appointed.
 
I don’t choose evil to oppose evil.
And what evil are you avoiding in order to support the worst evil of our time? Real actions, not Democrat talking points. You do know the bishops have said abortion is the pre-eminent issue for voters at present, don’t you?
 
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It’s a shame more people, especially people who are citizens of the United States don’t know or understand this. I can excuse those in foreign countries, but those who are citizens or who want to become citizens should know.
 
I think what RuthAnne is trying to say is that if we are presented with two horrible candidates and she does not vote,
That’s what I thought, and hoped, but I don’t think it is…there’s enough posts on the level of “rigged” elections are that…at least to me…there’s more to it.
 
That’s like bragging that you outscored your opponent but still lost the World Series 4 games to 3. It didn’t matter before the election, and is continued sour grapes afterwards. We are a constitutional republic, made up of diverse interests among 50 states. The Senate was created to give states equal weight in national matters. Doing away with the electoral college will simply allow candidates to target 8 or so states and ignore the rest of the country. The rest of the country has interests that need to be addressed and are different than simply the major urban centers.
 
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