Why Catholics Should Vote for Trump article

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So you admit China hid information about the Wuhan virus from the world - particularly “up to February” when it was spreading like wildfire across the globe - yet somehow Trump is responsible.

This is merely yet another variation of what we’re heard from the media for nearly 4 years: “no matter what happens, it’s Trump’s fault.”

The remainder of your post is hyperbole and unsupported opinion.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
If you are saying that citizens should not have to pay for other peoples’ abortions, I agree with you. But if you are saying that citizens should not have to pay for programs that encourage alternatives to abortion, I must disagree. I have many times suggested that we offer government-guaranteed pre-natal care and delivery services to all women, regardless of complications as a way to discourage abortion. Is this the sort of thing you think citizens should not have to pay for? If so, what about the argument that there is no issue or combination of issues more important than abortion? Wouldn’t that be placing the desire for low taxes above the need to reduce abortions?
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I am very much in favor of continuing and/or instituting government programs that are achieving their goals or that have a good plan for achieving their goals.

I personally would prefer to see private organizations doing this work–churches, community activist groups, individuals who are community-minded. I think that privately-run social programs, including schools, have a lot less “layers of expense” and fewer “managers”.

A good example of this is the rescue mission that has been in our city for over 50 years. This organization is absolutely amazing–many thousands of lives have been changed for the good by this organization. One of the outreaches of this mission is the “safe house” for women and children in abusive situations–so this rescue mission isn’t just about helping skid row alcoholics get sober.

We also have a church-based (Lutheran) organization that fights sex trafficking (our city is a crossroads for this heinous crime because two interstates go right through).

A wonderful faith-based inner-city organization provides after school “hang-out” space for over 200 children and young teens to do homework, games, reading, and fellowship–ONE woman started this in her home. Now it has moved to a vacant building and it’s making a difference.

These are just a few examples of non-government organizations that enjoy community support across party lines, across church lines, and across income lines–lots of people chip in a few dollars a month to help out, while others donate thousands or even more.

However, I realize that private organizations do have weaknesses–e.g., when the founders grow old and move away, or die–often these organizations end. Also, there can be problems with monitoring the behavior of the volunteers (e…g, sexual predators). There is the constant need for recruiting volunteers and raising funds. And there is a lack of accountability.

But yes, I am in favor of federal, state, and local organizations that help people. I think there is a ton of waste and layers of bureaucracy in many of these organizations and programs, and that about one penny of every tax dollar actually makes it to the people who need the assistance. But that’s better than no penny.

I just think that it would be better if churches, neighbors, civic organizations, clubs, and of course, individuals would take care of their fellow citizens and citizens-to-be.
 
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LeafByNiggle:
Then he compounded the problem by sidelining the scientists and pushing unproven remedies. He has cost thousands of American lives.
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Where are you hearing this?
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Here is the covid death rate, adjusted for population (per day per million of population), over the last 30 days:
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USA         2.44
Germany     0.07
New Zealand 0.00
Australia   0.56
Greece      0.27
Norway      0.05
Japan       0.06
Ireland     0.10
France      0.18
You would be hard pressed to find another highly developed country that is doing as poorly as the US in covid deaths. But these other developed nations have a coherent and unified national strategy. Not every one uses exactly the same strategy, but we have none. At first Trump downplayed the whole thing, saying that the 15 in Washington would soon be zero. Then he banned travel from China, but did not ban travel from Europe. And so a more infectious strain came in from Italy. Then Trump continued to downplay and blame, doing nothing like all those successful nations did. If it were not for Trump’s inept leadership, at least half of those 180,000 dead Americans would still be alive. Even now he is still not helping, but making fun of measures promoted by public health officials. The results are in the numbers.
 
Peeps said:
I personally would prefer to see private organizations doing this work–churches, community activist groups, individuals who are community-minded.
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I would too. But since that is not happening at the scale needed to guarantee OBGYN services to all at no cost to them, I don’t think we should stand around while more women chose abortion.
 
Do you think the Wuhan virus affect every population the same way?

Each governor advised by their own health experts made independent decisions. Look at the US chart. The higher age group and nearly all deaths had comorbitities. Nursing home deaths are off the charts.

All the health experts sold us on slowing the spread, not stopping it.

Source for a more infectious strain from Italy that has been proven?

How many people have died with Covid vs from Covid?

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LeafByNiggle said:
I would too. But since that is not happening at the scale needed to guarantee OBGYN services to all at no cost to them, I don’t think we should stand around while more women chose abortion.
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There are ten of thousands of health clinics that care for women and their babies.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
I did not say this government-guaranteed OBGYN care had to come from the Federal government. It could just as well come from state governments.
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I think with the principle of subsidiarity it would make more sense to allow local government, from community/city to state, to handle such cases first, if need be. It should go family, local organizations, government etc.

There will probably always be an element of state aid even with local organizations covering some of the cost. It would be ideal if there were no state involvement, in my opinion, but given historical trends it probably will be involved in some way.
 
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6% -This week the CDC quietly updated the Covid number to admit that only 6% of all the 153,504 deaths recorded actually died from Covid.
That’s 9,210 deaths.
The other 94% had 2 to 3 other serious illnesses and the overwhelming majority were of very advanced age; 90% in nursing homes.

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That’s a very serious accusation you throw around, especially as a Catholic. Throwing it around lightly diminishes people who are truly racist.
 
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Anrakyr said:
The point I’m trying to drill down to here is that there’s this “only one party is moral” over tone. Both are deeply flawed.
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I don’t think you and I have ever agreed on anything. But I wholly agree with you here. Just wanted to share, nothing more.
 
whatistrue said:
The USCCB has stated that it is permissible to vote for a candidate that holds or supports positions contrary to Catholic doctrine so long as you are voting for them for other reasons and in spite of those positions; you are not allowed to vote for them because of those positions.
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This is crazy! I’m agreeing with two people I never agree with. You are 100% correct on the statement.
 
StudentMI said:
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LeafByNiggle:
I did not say this government-guaranteed OBGYN care had to come from the Federal government. It could just as well come from state governments.
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I think with the principle of subsidiarity it would make more sense to allow local government, from community/city to state, to handle such cases first, if need be. It should go family, local organizations, government etc.

There will probably always be an element of state aid even with local organizations covering some of the cost. It would be ideal if there were no state involvement, in my opinion, but given historical trends it probably will be involved in some way.
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I too would like to see these services handled by charity, but if charity does not suffice (and it’s pretty clear it can’t provide what I am proposing) then some form of government would have to do it, or else it just won’t get done.
buffalo said:
There are ten of thousands of health clinics that care for women and their babies.
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“Health clinics” do not do C-sections, or even a normal delivery for free.
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Each governor advised by their own health experts made independent decisions.
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And when Trump sows confusion, the people don’t know what to ask of their state government. Also there are some things state governments cannot do, like employ the defense production act to order more production of testing materials and reagents. Other countries did better because they had strong decisive science-based leadership from the top.
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How many people have died with Covid vs from Covid?
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Irrelevant to the question of how the US compares to other developed nations.
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The higher age group and nearly all deaths had comorbitities. Nursing home deaths are off the charts.
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Not in other developed nations. Just the US.
buffalo said:
6% -This week the CDC quietly updated the Covid number to admit that only 6% of all the 153,504 deaths recorded actually died from Covid.
That’s 9,210 deaths.
The other 94% had 2 to 3 other serious illnesses and the overwhelming majority were of very advanced age; 90% in nursing homes.
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Comorbidities are no excuse. Other nations have comorbidities too. But they are experiencing a lower death rate because of their leadership.
 
If you take NY out of the picture the recent death rate for the US over the last month would look even worse, because NY is one of the few places where leaders learned from their early mistakes and now NY is experiencing one of the lowest death rate and a reduced infection rate of any state.
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Gov. Cuomo doubled down Sunday on the state’s controversial directive ordering nursing homes to admit COVID-19 patients. The governor — who himself has described nursing homes as a “feeding frenzy’…
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This is old news. This policy lasted only 2 weeks. Then they learned and now they are a model for the nation.
 
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LeafByNiggle said:
This is old news . This policy lasted only 2 weeks. Then they learned and now they are a model for the nation.
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You will quickly see NY has a typical virus curve. 70-90 days and pretty much over. Despite all the nonsense And 2 weeks resulted in many nursing hoe deaths

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So, New York got it under control. But states like Florida and Georgia (with Republican governors) just refuse to learn:
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buffalo said:
6% -This week the CDC quietly updated the Covid number to admit that only 6% of all the 153,504 deaths recorded actually died from Covid.
That’s 9,210 deaths.
The other 94% had 2 to 3 other serious illnesses and the overwhelming majority were of very advanced age; 90% in nursing homes.
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Thanks for this. Those of us who work in the hospital lab have been sayiing this all along, but only to each other. No one really cares about lab technologists’ observations. Even the young, liberal, I-phone addicted Biden/Harris supporters in our lab have been saying that most people who are “dying of COVID” are not REALLY dying of COVID.

It just goes to show that you cannot trust most media in the U.S. these days, which is why there are a lot of objections to the shut down of our society and our way of life.

Stay strong, everyone!
 
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