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april32010
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o.k.,i found him Fr.Richard Rohr.heres a sample of the good fathers theology .
look him up,interesting dude.
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Catholic80
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The whole of psychology does NOT disagree that homosexuality is a disorder. The DSM used to contain homosexuality as a disorder. Only recently (1986) was it removed. That means up until then, it was acknowledged as a disorder. Even with it removed, many psychologists today still view it and argue that it is a disorder.
Your argument is like saying, “In 1972, abortion was made legal, and therefore all politicians and judges believe that abortion is okay.” We know this not to be the case and the debate is split with more than half of the population leaning towards pro-life. Just because something is standardized or in writing, does not make it “the whole of” anything nor does it make the opposing argument “biased garbage.”
Does Elton John and company suffer from deep emotional wounds? I think you’d be hard pressed to find someone in this world who doesn’t suffer. Appearances are just that - appearances and we are all suffering our exile from our eternal destiny until we die.
The trouble is, as is especially the case in 1st world countries, we don’t want to admit that we have problems and weaknesses… that we are disordered. But we have become such a disordered society that we celebrate disorder. We are Sodom and Gomorrah. We celebrate abortion, contraception, pornography, homosexuality, fornication, greed, and more. It is so rampant that these things have become the norm. But as Fulton Sheen, so often quoted, said, “Right is right, even if no one is right. Wrong is wrong, even if everyone is wrong.”
Christ promised us that the gates of hell would not prevail against His Church. The Church’s teaching has **always ** been that homosexuality is indeed an intrinsic evil. I reiterate that, as with any sin, it is the act that is evil, not the person.
The homosexuality debate is so highly charged because it is emotional, and so people bring in emotional arguments. It’s personal. “If I have same sex attraction, and homosexuality is bad, then I must be bad. But I’m not bad, so same sex attraction must be good, and the homosexual act must be good.” This is bad logic.
It is those who are shouting, “you homophobic bigots, stop judging” that are the ones actually doing the judging. Why? Because they are equating the act with the person. They cannot separate the two. They see no difference between sin and sinner. The RCC separates sin from the sinner.
We’ve all heard, “hate the sin, love the sinner.” When people get defensive when someone says, “homosexual behavior is a sin,” often, they take it as, “a person with ssa is evil.” Of course they would get defensive. But those two statements are not the same… not even close.
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CopticChristian
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April,
Can you provide the full text and source that you pulled this statement from?
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vsedriver
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those benefits should be done away with. They discriminate against single people and people who live together without a marriage license.
Benefits for all or benefits for none.
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april32010
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no,i can’t.all i can find is a interview with him stating he did not say it.and given that in the same interview he has no problem stating his opposition to other Church teachings ,i will have to take his word for it. here is the interview reference.com/browse/richard_rohr there are a number of places that have that quote that claim he said that at the Los Angeles Religious Education Congress in 2001 but no transcript.i have to apologize for posting that without further fact checking.
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CopticChristian
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vsedriver
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that’s why it is called ‘supernatural’. You can’t use science to measure what is outside the realm of science.Actually the psycho chemical response of “falling in love” can be measured…the “after life” has no such measurment nor a biological psycho-chemical process where it can be measured.
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Alexalee23
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Dear Coptic,
If you are going to admonish me for submitting an honest question (asking for verification on a post) in an open forum among my catholic brothers and sisters, at least be courteous enough to READ and understand what I have written before composing a response. I have included my original quote below, and as you can see, I was responding to OtherEric quite early on in this thread and simply asking for clarification on HIS post.
I hope that CAF ettiquette will at least allow me to point this out to you, and as you so generously indicated to me, “Let me provide you some knowledge.” I would like to provide you with some knowledge on polite discourse and how to conduct yourself in a respectful religious forum:
]It is not appropriate, or appreciated for you to inform me of the obvious, as one would address an incompetent person or a child: ** “Do you require some sort of literal explicit teaching? You are a Catholic. Read your Catechism.”*
*]Obviously my question was NOT directed to you, but since you felt compelled to respond to me and to “put me in my place”, I should let you know that you did not pay attention to the progress of the thread, NOR to what I asked.
*]If you read what I posted you would see that I was asking the POSTER to clarify something.
*]You could not have addressed this issue, because I was not speaking to you.
*]This was not an open ended opportunity for you to verbally belittle me, or to provide a sermon, replete with bible quotes and a reprimand.
*]Your general tone of admonishment and superiority to others is NOT respectful, welcoming, or helpful in ANY way. I think a little contemplative time may be in order BEFORE you begin to type.
*]Please note that I did NOT ask about the litany of things you listed: marriage with same sex, beasts, NAMBLA, Transgendered, Cross dressers, Parapheliacs, Statues, or any other sort of union.
*]I simply stated: To my knowledge, according to the gospels, Jesus never commented on same-sex practices.
Obviously we do not know each others religious history, so let’s just assume we are both here for positive spiritual reasons and get on with it.
Lets try again for a little fellowship and repectful religious discourse shall we?
By the way, I am new here, but I am NOT new to Catholicism.
I TRULY appreciate sharing information about our Catholic faith, and I will not EVER claim to have all the answers. That is why I am here.
It’s nice to meet you, and I look forward to many interesting discussions on the forums.
Heres the original post and my response:
Originally Posted by: Other Eric
So what? It is not the Church’s job to sugarcoat the Truth, but to fearlessly proclaim and defend it… Catholics will invariably “win” since either those with same-sex attractions will accept the Truth, or they will reject it, risking a damnation that Aquinas assures us the faithful will rejoice in.
My response:
And what is the TRUTH you speak of and what is it based on?
The Pope said that Christ “guides and is responsible for the Christian community as its leader and its Lord. The Church is subject to Him, both to follow His superior guidance and to receive all of the life that emanates from Him.”
Vatican City, Jan 14, 2009 / 11:05 am (CNA).
To my knowledge, according to the gospels, Jesus never commented on same-sex practices.
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tskrobacz
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How sad it is that so many Catholics cannot accept that nothing in this world, short of God himself, is perfect or absolute. We have such a need to “know” that the church is infallible when history clearly demonstrates that is not always the case.
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april32010
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whats sad is someone repeatedly posting heresy.
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tskrobacz
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Do you honestly think that the church itself is incapable of heresy?
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Peter_Plato
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What do you mean by “church?”
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tskrobacz
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A prophet (one who brings the truth) is not without honor, except as Jesus says, in his own land.
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CopticChristian
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Alex,
Thank you, then are we in agreement concerning the following?
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buffalo
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Catholics are called to self mastery. That goes way beyond feelings.
It is “what we ought to do”.
It is “what we ought to do”.
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CopticChristian
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Tsk, Tsk, Tsk,
What is sad is that you have little knoweldge of that you speak of for if you did you would not say such inane things. The best way you can interact on a Catholic website is to know what Catholics believe.
We have no need to know that the Church is infallible.
History demonstrates what you think it demonstrates and history for me demonstrates that your statement is innacurate.
Find out what Catholics believe about the Church, how it is they believe and why. When you do this you will be scratching your head and saying …Gaaallllleeeee I wish I had known this prior to saying something so innacurate.
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CopticChristian
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Tsk, Tsk, Tsk…
There you go again not knowing what it is the Church is and how your question would have been just a passing thought and not typed. If you knew what Catholics believed what the Church is then you would understand. Let me help you.
This is Catholic Answers Forum. Ask a question.
Q. I understand that you think that the Church is incapable of heresy. How can this be? This is a CAF, then let me ask you, help me understand, what I don’t understand, how is it you honestly think that the Church is incapable of heresy? Inquiring minds want to know…
Now Tsk, this will get you an answer from Catholic Answers
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CopticChristian
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Tsk, Tsk, Tsk,
You are unable to provide an answer to a simple question and then quote Jesus. You support homosexuality and as I recall Christianity is not in favor of homosexuality. You have to do better than this. Try giving an answer or your credibility will suffer.
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pete_29
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So what! Your opinion is no more valid than anyone’s either so what you think really doesn’t mean anything does it?
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