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Have you heard them claim their traditions are apostolic?
Obvious difference :rolleyes:
Um - okay. So, it’s fine to have non-Apostolic teachings (including heresies) as long as you don’t claim to be Apostolic? Is this supposed to be a sign of “honesty” or something?

Are you one of these people who says that it’s better to be openly a bank robber, than a hypocrite who steals pens at the office, but tries to hide his sinfulness? 🤷

(In my personal opinion, just so you know, I’d rather live next door to the hypocrite who is stealing pens from the office, because, first, he isn’t doing me any harm, and second, he has the decency to be ashamed enough of his behaviour to want to hide it.)
 
What is arrogant is to say you have the fullness of truth and that you cannot err.
Jnarek, I do not remember if she/he said that I was thinking the CC said that and Our Lord Jesus Christ said it also.
 
I don’t really know. I had always thought of the United Church of Canada as being at least somewhat liturgical, and yet they only have Christmas Eve - they don’t have anything for Christmas Day itself.

Do Anglicans or Lutherans celebrate on Christmas Day itself, or only on Christmas Eve?
Anglicans celebrate both.
 
So how many of Catholicisms’ traditions are not apostolic?
So can we say they were man made traditions?
Kalt you are like the student who only reads one side of the polemic and swears they are unbiased 😉
You don’t seem to know the difference between tradition and Tradition.
 
"Do Anglicans or Lutherans celebrate on Christmas Day itself, or only on Christmas Eve? "

Lutherans-Advent services on Weds, Christmas Eve and Christmas Day services.
 
"Do Anglicans or Lutherans celebrate on Christmas Day itself, or only on Christmas Eve? "

Lutherans-Advent services on Weds, Christmas Eve and Christmas Day services.
I guess the question should be asked of our Evangelical brothers and sisters as to whether or not they have a Christmas day service.
 
QUOTE=Hisalone;6003004]We are not affiliated with any denomination. We are independent and you are welcome at anytime. You are confused because you might not understand how a nonDenom is started and how it operates. 🤷🤷:hmmm: Once you are a group you are already a denomination with a set of beliefs. It is the same argument when people say that no religion can save them only Christ, but the very act of praying is an act of religion. People are confusing the very meaning of words and not taking it on face value. All things will boil into two most important things. Authority of the interpreter and correct interpretation of doctrines. That’s why non denominational keep on multiplying by splitting because they can’t eeven agree on their own interpretation because everybody is independent. The Jews asked Jesus"… by whose authority He does those things?" The church is governed by authority otherwise there will be anarchy. That is why there is a sheperd ang a flock. Sorry can’t accept a group is non-denominational. You are non-denominational coz you’re alone. So why celebrate Christmas? Christmas is like a beacon to show Christ as the The true Light of The World. And when His light shines on any one that he might believe and know Christ the Son of God dwelt among us. :yup::gopray2::harp::hug3::amen::blessyou:
 
So how many of Catholicisms’ traditions are not apostolic?
So can we say they were man made traditions?
Kalt you are like the student who only reads one side of the polemic and swears they are unbiased 😉
:highprayer: We believe that our bishops are successors to the apostles that’s why we are the Apostolic Church. Do you remember John 16:12-15? Do you really think that when Christ Ascended to heaven the the first christians were complete with their set of beliefs? Remember 2Thes 2:15? 1Tim 3:15? Where did you get the authority to establish a non denominational group your own tradition or because somebody else can made it and so you also made your own non denominational group? Do you think God wants us to be millions of non denominational groups or one happy family of one church? By whose authority says that the King James Bible is inspired by God? The altar call? Isn’t these are human traditions as well? 🤷:hmmm:
 
How many traditions practiced in protestantism are not apostolic???:eek:
Letter from Jesus about Christmas –

It has come to my attention that many of you are upset that folks are taking My name out of the season.

How I personally feel about this celebration can probably be most easily understood by those of you who have been blessed with children of your own. I don’t care what you call the day. If you want to celebrate My birth, just GET ALONG AND LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

Now, having said that let Me go on. If it bothers you that the town in which you live doesn’t allow a scene depicting My birth, then just get rid of a couple of Santa’s and snowmen and put in a small Nativity scene on your own front lawn If all My followers did that there wouldn’t be any need for such a scene on the town square because there would be many of them all around town.

Stop worrying about the fact that people are calling the tree a holiday tree, instead of a Christmas tree. It was I who made all trees. You can remember Me anytime you see any tree. Decorate a grape vine if you wish: I actually spoke of that one in a teaching, explaining who I am in relation to you and what each of our tasks were. If you have forgotten that one, look up John 15: 1 - 8.

If you want to give Me a present in remembrance of My birth here is my wish list. Choose something from it:
  1. Instead of writing protest letters objecting to the way My birthday is being celebrated, write letters of love and hope to soldiers away from home. They are terribly afraid and lonely this time of year. I know, they tell Me all the time.
  2. Visit someone in a nursing home. You don’t have to know them personally. They just need to know that someone cares about them.
  3. Instead of writing the President complaining about the wording on the cards his staff sent out this year, why don’t you write and tell him that you’ll be praying for him and his family this year. Then follow up… It will be nice hearing from you again.
  4. Instead of giving your children a lot of gifts you can’t afford and they don’t need, spend time with them. Tell them the story of My birth, and why I came to live with you down here. Hold them in your arms and remind them that I love them.
5 Pick someone that has hurt you in the past and forgive him or her.
  1. Did you know that someone in your town will attempt to take their own life this season because they feel so alone and hopeless? Since you don’t know who that person is, try giving everyone you meet a warm smile; it could make the difference.
  2. Instead of nit picking about what the retailer in your town calls the holiday, be patient with the people who work there. Give them a warm smile and a kind word. Even if they aren’t allowed to wish you a “Merry Christmas” that doesn’t keep you from wishing them one. Then stop shopping there on Sunday. If the store didn’t make so much money on that day they’d close and let their employees spend the day at home with their families
  3. If you really want to make a difference, support a missionary-- especially one who takes My love and Good News to those who have never heard My name.
  4. Here’s a good one. There are individuals and whole families in your town who not only will have no “Christmas” tree, but neither will they have any presents to give or receive. If you don’t know them, buy some food and a few gifts and give them to the Salvation Army or some other charity which believes in Me and they will make the delivery for you.
  5. Finally, if you want to make a statement about your belief in and loyalty to Me, then behave like a Christian. Don’t do things in secret that you wouldn’t do in My presence. Let people know by your actions that you are one of mine.
Don’t forget; I am God and can take care of Myself. Just love Me and do what I have told you to do. I’ll take care of all the rest. Check out the list above and get to work; time is short. I’ll help you, but the ball is now in your court. And do have a most blessed Christmas with all those whom you love and remember :

I LOVE YOU,

JESUS,2
 
History

Mosaic of Jesus as Christo Sole (Christ the Sun) in Mausoleum M in the pre-fourth-century necropolis under St Peter’s Basilica in Rome.[39]For many centuries, Christian writers accepted that Christmas was the actual date on which Jesus was born.[40] However, in the early eighteenth century, scholars began proposing alternative explanations. Isaac Newton argued that the date of Christmas was selected to correspond with the winter solstice,[8] which in ancient times was marked on December 25.[41] In 1743, German Protestant Paul Ernst Jablonski argued Christmas was placed on December 25 to correspond with the Roman solar holiday Dies Natalis Solis Invicti and was therefore a “paganization” that debased the true church.[7] In 1889, Louis Duchesne suggested that the date of Christmas was calculated as nine months after the Annunciation (March 25), the traditional date of the Incarnation.[42]

Pre-Christian background
Dies Natalis Solis Invicti
Main article: Sol Invictus
Dies Natalis Solis Invicti means “the birthday of the unconquered Sun.” The use of the title Sol Invictus allowed several solar deities to be worshipped collectively, including Elah-Gabal, a Syrian sun god; Sol, the god of Emperor Aurelian; and Mithras, a soldiers’ god of Persian origin.[43] Emperor Elagabalus (218–222) introduced the festival, and it reached the height of its popularity under Aurelian, who promoted it as an empire-wide holiday.[44] This day had held no significance in the Roman festive calendar until it was introduced in the third century.[45]

The festival was placed on the date of the solstice because this was on this day that the Sun reversed its southward retreat and proved itself to be “unconquered.” Several early Christian writers connected the rebirth of the sun to the birth of Jesus.[6] “O, how wonderfully acted Providence that on that day on which that Sun was born…Christ should be born”, Cyprian wrote.[6] John Chrysostom also commented on the connection: “They call it the ‘Birthday of the Unconquered’. Who indeed is so unconquered as Our Lord . . .?”[6]

Winter festivals
Main article: List of winter festivals
A winter festival was the most popular festival of the year in many cultures. Reasons included the fact that less agricultural work needs to be done during the winter, as well as an expectation of better weather as spring approached.[46] Modern Christmas customs include: gift-giving and merrymaking from Roman Saturnalia; greenery, lights, and charity from the Roman New Year; and Yule logs and various foods from Germanic feasts.[47] Pagan Scandinavia celebrated a winter festival called Yule, held in the late December to early January period. As Northern Europe was the last part to Christianize, its pagan traditions had a major influence on Christmas. Scandinavians still call Christmas Jul. In English, the word Yule is synonymous with Christmas,[48] a usage first recorded in 900.

Christian establishment
The New Testament does not give a date for the birth of Jesus.[6][49] Around AD 200, Clement of Alexandria wrote that a group in Egypt celebrated the nativity on Pachon 25.[6] This corresponds to May 20.[50] Tertullian (d. 220) does not mention Christmas as a major feast day in the Church of Roman Africa.[6] However, in Chronographai, a reference work published in 221, Sextus Julius Africanus suggested that Jesus was conceived on the spring equinox, popularizing the idea that Christ was born on December 25.[51][52] The equinox was March 25 on the Roman calendar, so this implied a birth in December.[53] De Pascha Computus, a calendar of feasts produced in 243, gives March 28 as the date of the nativity.[54] In 245, the theologian Origen of Alexandria stated that, “only sinners (like Pharaoh and Herod)” celebrated their birthdays.[55] In 303, Christian writer Arnobius ridiculed the idea of celebrating the birthdays of gods, which suggests that Christmas was not yet a feast at this time.[6]

Feast established
An early reference to the date of the nativity as December 25 is found in the Chronography of 354, an illuminated manuscript compiled in Rome in 354.[56] In the East, early Christians celebrated the birth of Christ as part of Epiphany (January 6), although this festival emphasized celebration of the baptism of Jesus.[57]

Christmas was promoted in the Christian East as part of the revival of Catholicism following the death of the pro-Arian Emperor Valens at the Battle of Adrianople in 378. The feast was introduced to Constantinople in 379, and to Antioch in about 380. The feast disappeared after Gregory of Nazianzus resigned as bishop in 381, although it was reintroduced by John Chrysostom

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas
Hisalone, Hate to say it but I think you step in one this time
 
Hisalone,Take your time and read all of ths;;

Letter from Jesus about Christmas –

It has come to my attention that many of you are upset that folks are taking My name out of the season.

How I personally feel about this celebration can probably be most easily understood by those of you who have been blessed with children of your own. I don’t care what you call the day. If you want to celebrate My birth, just GET ALONG AND LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

Now, having said that let Me go on. If it bothers you that the town in which you live doesn’t allow a scene depicting My birth, then just get rid of a couple of Santa’s and snowmen and put in a small Nativity scene on your own front lawn If all My followers did that there wouldn’t be any need for such a scene on the town square because there would be many of them all around town.

Stop worrying about the fact that people are calling the tree a holiday tree, instead of a Christmas tree. It was I who made all trees. You can remember Me anytime you see any tree. Decorate a grape vine if you wish: I actually spoke of that one in a teaching, explaining who I am in relation to you and what each of our tasks were. If you have forgotten that one, look up John 15: 1 - 8.

If you want to give Me a present in remembrance of My birth here is my wish list. Choose something from it:
  1. Instead of writing protest letters objecting to the way My birthday is being celebrated, write letters of love and hope to soldiers away from home. They are terribly afraid and lonely this time of year. I know, they tell Me all the time.
  2. Visit someone in a nursing home. You don’t have to know them personally. They just need to know that someone cares about them.
  3. Instead of writing the President complaining about the wording on the cards his staff sent out this year, why don’t you write and tell him that you’ll be praying for him and his family this year. Then follow up… It will be nice hearing from you again.
  4. Instead of giving your children a lot of gifts you can’t afford and they don’t need, spend time with them. Tell them the story of My birth, and why I came to live with you down here. Hold them in your arms and remind them that I love them.
5 Pick someone that has hurt you in the past and forgive him or her.
  1. Did you know that someone in your town will attempt to take their own life this season because they feel so alone and hopeless? Since you don’t know who that person is, try giving everyone you meet a warm smile; it could make the difference.
  2. Instead of nit picking about what the retailer in your town calls the holiday, be patient with the people who work there. Give them a warm smile and a kind word. Even if they aren’t allowed to wish you a “Merry Christmas” that doesn’t keep you from wishing them one. Then stop shopping there on Sunday. If the store didn’t make so much money on that day they’d close and let their employees spend the day at home with their families
  3. If you really want to make a difference, support a missionary-- especially one who takes My love and Good News to those who have never heard My name.
  4. Here’s a good one. There are individuals and whole families in your town who not only will have no “Christmas” tree, but neither will they have any presents to give or receive. If you don’t know them, buy some food and a few gifts and give them to the Salvation Army or some other charity which believes in Me and they will make the delivery for you.
  5. Finally, if you want to make a statement about your belief in and loyalty to Me, then behave like a Christian. Don’t do things in secret that you wouldn’t do in My presence. Let people know by your actions that you are one of mine.
 
I think it boils down to this:

Why do I celebrate Christmas?

'Cause I feel like it. :mad:
 
They grow out of what we know of the Traditions of the Apostles.

Let me ask you this: Would you agree that Jesus Christ is true Man and true God?

Would you agree that He was born of the virgin Mary?

These are the Traditions that come from the Apostles.

Christmas is a tradition (small “t”) that comes from these particular Traditions. It’s “man made” in the sense that it was human beings who made the connection that Christ becoming a human being is something we should all learn about and celebrate, but the truths that come to us through the tradition of Christmas are certainly Apostolic in origin.
Lets see Christmas was not celebrated by the apostles.
That would mean Advent is a tradition not of the apostles.
The apostles didnt say rosaries, another tradition,
No statues in homes or places of worship
No icons or relics
No prayers to “saints”
No celibate priesthood
No Easter celebration of Passover and Resurrection Sunday
I guess the list could go on and on
 
:highprayer: We believe that our bishops are successors to the apostles that’s why we are the Apostolic Church. Do you remember John 16:12-15? Do you really think that when Christ Ascended to heaven the the first christians were complete with their set of beliefs? Remember 2Thes 2:15? 1Tim 3:15? Where did you get the authority to establish a non denominational group your own tradition or because somebody else can made it and so you also made your own non denominational group? Do you think God wants us to be millions of non denominational groups or one happy family of one church? By whose authority says that the King James Bible is inspired by God? The altar call? Isn’t these are human traditions as well? 🤷:hmmm:
As there are many members that make up the body there are many members that make up the body of Christ each supplying what is lacking in the other.
 
Hisalone,Take your time and read all of ths;;

  1. Instead of writing protest letters objecting to the way My birthday is being celebrated, write letters of love and hope to soldiers away from home. They are terribly afraid and lonely this time of year. I know, they tell Me all the time.
  2. Visit someone in a nursing home. You don’t have to know them personally. They just need to know that someone cares about them.
  3. Instead of writing the President complaining about the wording on the cards his staff sent out this year, why don’t you write and tell him that you’ll be praying for him and his family this year. Then follow up… It will be nice hearing from you again.
  4. Instead of giving your children a lot of gifts you can’t afford and they don’t need, spend time with them. Tell them the story of My birth, and why I came to live with you down here. Hold them in your arms and remind them that I love them.
5 Pick someone that has hurt you in the past and forgive him or her.
  1. Did you know that someone in your town will attempt to take their own life this season because they feel so alone and hopeless? Since you don’t know who that person is, try giving everyone you meet a warm smile; it could make the difference.
  2. Instead of nit picking about what the retailer in your town calls the holiday, be patient with the people who work there. Give them a warm smile and a kind word. Even if they aren’t allowed to wish you a “Merry Christmas” that doesn’t keep you from wishing them one. Then stop shopping there on Sunday. If the store didn’t make so much money on that day they’d close and let their employees spend the day at home with their families
  3. If you really want to make a difference, support a missionary-- especially one who takes My love and Good News to those who have never heard My name.
  4. Here’s a good one. There are individuals and whole families in your town who not only will have no “Christmas” tree, but neither will they have any presents to give or receive. If you don’t know them, buy some food and a few gifts and give them to the Salvation Army or some other charity which believes in Me and they will make the delivery for you.
  5. Finally, if you want to make a statement about your belief in and loyalty to Me, then behave like a Christian. Don’t do things in secret that you wouldn’t do in My presence. Let people know by your actions that you are one of mine.
We can come into agree on this one.
 
Lets see Christmas was not celebrated by the apostles.
That would mean Advent is a tradition not of the apostles. So.
The apostles didnt say rosaries, another tradition, So…
No statues in homes or places of worship where is this teaching? you have no images of your loved ones in your home?
No icons or relics once again, where is this teaching?
No prayers to “saints” you never heard the term, “prithee…” ??? it’s olde english, was used more in the past. Are you denying everlasting life? The saints aren’t DEAD, they are alive in Christ.
No celibate priesthood St. Paul recommended it…it’s BIBLICAL
No Easter celebration of Passover and Resurrection Sunday Actually they did celebrate the Passover. No need to continue it since the MESSIAH has COME! Some practices had to be changed. We are not waiting for our coming Messiah, He is here. Joy to the World, the Lord has come! I guess the list could go on and on As it should! Jesus preached The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!
 
Lets see Christmas was not celebrated by the apostles.
That would mean Advent is a tradition not of the apostles.
The apostles didnt say rosaries, another tradition,
No statues in homes or places of worship
No icons or relics
No prayers to “saints”
No celibate priesthood
No Easter celebration of Passover and Resurrection Sunday
I guess the list could go on and on
The apostles never used the internet either, so why don’t you stop being such a hypocrite and follow their example? 🤷
 
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