Oh yes, indeed. The animals were different. Adam and Eve could diddy-bop through the Garden without worrying about getting eaten by lions. Genesis 6:Did you read through my reddit posts in detail?
So you believe the whole world affected the fall including the animal world?
I see though
God says that “all flesh” has become corrupted, and He was sorry He made them. “All flesh” implies animals as well as people, and the animals were not spared from the flood.And the earth was corrupted before God, and was filled with iniquity. And when God had seen that the earth was corrupted (for all flesh had corrupted its way upon the earth,) He said to Noah: The end of all flesh is come before me, the earth is filled with iniquity through them, and I will destroy them with the earth.
Well, how about the Catechism? Here’s what it says about the fall of Adam and Eve and how it changed the world:I see idk about that, is there any official church stances on this whole issue. Please pray i would find a statisfactory answer to this problem if anything…I am having trouble with it…I hope for more posters to answer as well.
Scripture portrays the tragic consequences of this first disobedience. Adam and Eve immediately lose the grace of original holiness. They become afraid of the God of whom they have conceived a distorted image - that of a God jealous of his prerogatives.
The harmony in which they had found themselves, thanks to original justice, is now destroyed: the control of the soul’s spiritual faculties over the body is shattered; the union of man and woman becomes subject to tensions, their relations henceforth marked by lust and domination. Harmony with creation is broken: visible creation has become alien and hostile to man. Because of man, creation is now subject “to its bondage to decay”. Finally, the consequence explicitly foretold for this disobedience will come true: man will “return to the ground”, for out of it he was taken. Death makes its entrance into human history.
Here is how Genesis describes it:
Harmony with nature was broken, nature became hostile, the plants became hostile (“thorns and thistles”). Even the the ground was cursed! Everything changed after the fall. God did not make this fallen world. People made it, and the devil is “the ruler of this world.”“…cursed is the ground because of you; in toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life; thorns and thistles it shall bring forth to you…”
It was a gnostic belief that the material world (everything physical, including our bodies) was created by Satan and is inherently evil, but the spirit world (angels, our souls) was created by God and is good.I see but the world isn’t fully evil though correct? Even paul says God made the world to be enjoyed, so even if the world has some evil in it it has some good in it as well right?
Idk I get what you mean but partly it sounds somewhat Gnostic?
If you can telling me explicitly what gnostic means in this context would be nice too. Since i know only limitedly what it means.
Thank you very much
Not all animals, such as fish, just what moved upon the earth.…
God says that “all flesh” has become corrupted, and He was sorry He made them. “All flesh” implies animals as well as people, and the animals were not spared from the flood.
21 And all flesh was destroyed that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beasts, and of all creeping things that creep upon the earth: and all men. 22 And all things wherein there is the breath of life on the earth, died. 23 And he destroyed all the substance that was upon the earth, from man to beast, and the creeping things and fowls of the air: and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noe only remained, and they that were with him in the ark. 24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth a hundred and fifty days.