No, you’re not a dingbat, but you are misreading the poster. Those are not ape ancestors. The hominid and non-hominid ape lines diverged from a common ancestor between 6.5 and 7.4 million years ago.
Granny, I work with many professors, none of whom live in ivory towers. In fact, it is people who sit at home and never have contact with the exciting currents in the intellectual world – both scientific and theological – who live in an ivory tower. I encourage you to get out a bit, meet some intellectuals, and read some current theology, such as John Haught’s God After Darwin: A Theology of Evolution.In fairness, one needs to realize that many professors have offices in an ivory tower. Thus, they are unaware of life in the trenches. Thus, it is difficult for them to understand that the real message of those posters and of the bumper stickers is that like brute animals, humans do not have or do not need spiritual souls.
I was trying to show that to believe in a God driven (rather than atheistic) gradual process is an accepted possibility by the Church. And that a Catholic in perfectly good standing can believe in that gradual process.
Philipp, I’m going to have to agree with Jozef Ratzinger, Pope Benedict, against you. But if you believe there is scientific merit to your arguments, and you want to make an impact, you really should take them to the academic world, rather than to these discussion threads. I’m a theologian, not a scientist; you need to make your case to working scientists.
Virtually every Catholic theologian, scientis, and layperson I know accepts this God-inspired process, Steve. I haven’t met any of the handful of Catholic anti-evolutionists that is out there.I was trying to show that to believe in a God driven (rather than atheistic) gradual process is an accepted possibility by the Church. And that a Catholic in perfectly good standing can believe in that gradual process.
Ah…but we do have souls. And I know many Catholics and Christians that believe the in the process of gradual development (I keep from using the E word. Is is still banned?).In fairness, one needs to realize that many professors have offices in an ivory tower.
Thus, they are unaware of life in the trenches. Thus, it is difficult for them to understand that the real message of those posters and of the bumper stickers is that like brute animals, humans do not have or do not need spiritual souls.
I disagree. God created every ‘after it’s own kind’, and all at the same time.
Not Catholic scientists…or priests (even quite aged) nor bishops. It’s very much within the infinite power of God. Just think of the incredible awesome power of standing outside of time and guiding what for us can seem to be an eternity into existence!
Why would they post the above on their web site? I don’t think they want to get a bad review by St. Peter when it is their time to pass on. Perhaps some day they might post the following as a compomise. It makes more sense as it is NOT a fairy tale; it seems to agree with the intent of Chirst, Lateran IV, the church fathers, scripture and the magisterium of the church teachings on our origin.
And good luck!And that is your choice! I will not belittle you for that. Please don’t consider my faith any less because I believe that God follows the laws he set forth.
There is proof of the theory of gravity and there is no other proof to contradict it. Also God says nothing about it.
Now…if you want to go back and live in 1215 AD…you’re going to have to make some serious lifestyle changes. The sun revolved around the earth. Slavery and surfdom was cool. Medical care really stunk. There was no CAF. There was no electricity. Hmmm…live in 1215 AD. I don’t think you’ll like it. They didn’t even have deodorant.Why would they post the above on their web site? I don’t think they want to get a bad review by St. Peter when it is their time to pass on. Perhaps some day they might post the following as a compomise. It makes more sense as it is NOT a fairy tale; it seems to agree with the intent of Chirst, Lateran IV, the church fathers, scripture and the magisterium of the church teachings on our origin.
“Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on Earth are genetically related, it is virtually certain that all living organisms have obviously been created AT ONCE by the One and the same Creator by variation in the DNA structure of each life form. [Simul in latin meaning “at once” in English, from Lateran IV, AD 1215]
Fr. Baker of Homiletic and Pastoral Review has an interesting review of the Book, EVOLUTION AND OTHER FAIRY TALES by Dr. Larry Azar of Iona College. Fr. Baker recommended reading this book in his review for its concise understanding of the evolutionary mantra, The Engine of Atheism. [July 2006 issue, page 72]. Frankly I wouldn’t be caught dead recommending what the “Bureau of Concensus” wrote as you do. Read the late Larry Azar’s book and I suspect you will learn why.
Show me proof of gravity! I’ve read on a thread here where there is none. Of course that was by someone refuting E.
Does a rock fall on the ground?
There is none what?
By the way, this discovery validates the Bible once again! How so? See this passage...What is your “proof” of the theory of gravity?
Perhaps you may try reading this.
Try medieval dental care or obstetrics!Now…if you want to go back and live in 1215 AD…you’re going to have to make some serious lifestyle changes. The sun revolved around the earth. Slavery and surfdom was cool. Medical care really stunk. There was no CAF. There was no electricity. Hmmm…live in 1215 AD. I don’t think you’ll like it. They didn’t even have deodorant.
How is that a proof of the theory of gravity? God could have pushed the rock down. The rock could have sought its Aristotelian “natural place.” Your “proof” is no help.
Did they have teeth past the age of 15 YO back then?
You are absolutely correct. That’s how modern lab and field research scientists read it too. Those millions and billions of years needed for origins of life from a common ancestor just don’t exist.
