Why did God prevent Moses from seeing the promised land?

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God commands him to extract the water in a certain way, but he instead strikes the rock. Disobedience.
Wrong.

God did not allow Moses to enter the Promised Land because Moses DOUBTED that any water could come from a rock! Before then, Moses never had any doubts that God would perform the miracles that eventually brought the Children of Israel out of Egypt. This one moment of doubt was the reason for punishment.
 
Also–another interesting perspective. I’m wondering what the Pope’s take on it is??

I don’t think anyone answered what we can liken this to in today’s world?:hmmm:
Please forgive me if this seems harsh, but the “Pope’s take” on this is unimportant. This is a Jewish matter, not a Christian one. The Promised Land was meant for the Hebrews, and there were no Christians in the world at that time.
 
Wrong.

God did not allow Moses to enter the Promised Land because Moses DOUBTED that any water could come from a rock! Before then, Moses never had any doubts that God would perform the miracles that eventually brought the Children of Israel out of Egypt. This one moment of doubt was the reason for punishment.
How do you come to this conclusion? Moses had duplicated this miracle prior to this incident. He was just instructed to do it differently this time.
 
God’s punishing Moses may seem harsh to us but Moses had a personal relationship being able to communicate directly to him that would make him so much more accountable than the rest of us mortals who are not that privledged so the standards would be much harder. “To those who are given much, much will be expected” not exactly sure where that is in the Bible.
Townie
 
Father Moses, now in heaven, celebrating the queenship of Bl. Mother - wth all of heaven …

As some have already alluded to on this thread , his moment of weakness ,also his moment of glory - for the meekness with which he accepted God’s will on the said occasion …may be the more salient lesson for us to ponder on …
 
How do you come to this conclusion? Moses had duplicated this miracle prior to this incident. He was just instructed to do it differently this time.
The very fact that he was told to do it differently would be cause enough for him to have doubts. He knew it would work one way, but when asked to do it another way, it was logical for him to doubt.

This was also the way I was taught when I was in Hebrew School. Of course, that was a long time ago, too! However, I remember the Rabbi teaching us that way.

I had no reason to doubt the Rabbi.
 
The very fact that he was told to do it differently would be cause enough for him to have doubts. He knew it would work one way, but when asked to do it another way, it was logical for him to doubt.

This was also the way I was taught when I was in Hebrew School. Of course, that was a long time ago, too! However, I remember the Rabbi teaching us that way.

I had no reason to doubt the Rabbi.
OK, gotcha, and I agree completely.

BTW, Welcome to the Forums!!!
 
I always thought that he could not enter because he did commit a murder out of anger at one time didn’t he? Correct me if I am wrong.
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I always thought it was kind of a cool parallel that the person who brought the Israelites into the promised land was Joshua. I’ve been told that Joshua is Jesus in Hebrew.

So, while Moses couldn’t bring the Israelites into the promised land, Joshua (Jesus) could. Just like the Moses/the Old Covenant couldn’t deliver the people to the REAL promised land (heaven) but Jesus can. See the cool parallel? Well, I think it’s cool anyway.

👍
 
I always thought it was kind of a cool parallel that the person who brought the Israelites into the promised land was Joshua. I’ve been told that Joshua is Jesus in Hebrew.

So, while Moses couldn’t bring the Israelites into the promised land, Joshua (Jesus) could. Just like the Moses/the Old Covenant couldn’t deliver the people to the REAL promised land (heaven) but Jesus can. See the cool parallel? Well, I think it’s cool anyway.

👍
Good point.
 
Simply put, that was the path that God chose for Moses, (get them out of Egypt, bring them to the promised land.) nothing more.👍
 
Hi all,

In Deut.20:10 Moses interpruts this incident when he offers his farewell address to the nation. He at times, on his own accord, chose to broaden mandates, such was the case of the nation wanting to send out scouts to check the safest access roads and the best approach to the Promised Land. Here Moses broadened those instructions and instructed the messengers to scout out the military capabilty of the inhabitants as well as the fortifications of the cities. At this time Moses is not yet punished for “stretching” what the Lord has commanded him (or trusting God implicitly). He may have misjudged and perhaps never considered that panic might set in and oppose the entire venture of entry into the Promised Land. He “overestimated his people”! He would not have been condemned as a leader for doing this but, a “test” is to come after this.

The people were complaining about not having water to drink. God tells Moses what he should do, take his staff and “speak” to the rock. Now the “rock” is the Israelite nation, hard and obsinate like a rock. “Speak to it,” says God and you will extract life-giving water and Torah-true waters even from this stubborn nation." Moses misses the point, all he sees is a willful band of grumblers, upstarts and “shouts” at them, "listen now you rebels, " striking out against the rock - the nation -instead of loving them. This time Moses “underestimates” his people, refusing to recognize their objective suffering as well as their ability to “repent”. God now punishes him, as divine the understanding is that a “shepherd” who underestimates his flock, who loses proper love and appreciation of them, cannot continue to lead them.

So it was that he was more so relieved of this responsibilty because of his loss of love, another would lead the nation into the promised land.

Jesus comes to us in the NT as the new Moses (the new Torah of true living water), I know that we associate Him with the New Adam and rightly so, but Jesus as well is the new Moses, completely faithful in all things, totally “not” over estimating or underestimating the children of God and in complete and encompassing “unconditional love” offers himself for them, us. Dies and rises for all of mankind.

As a leader he is totally faithful to the will and design of God, and he brings His people into the “promised land”,(brings us into the presence of God, as Abba Father, through His redemptive act) which gained for us our ability to enter into our eternal home, the end of our journey, the purpose of our life here. Jesus is the good and faithful servant always fully submitting to the will of God, always loving, even to point of death.

So it’s more this then how many times Moses struck the rock, or is he was told to strick it or speak to it, there is alot more to be meditated upon in Moses being disallowed to enter the promised land. Obviously when Moses realizes what he has done, and recounts that this has come to him because of them (his response to them) in his statement, he repents and in repentence is not refused entrance into the kingdom of heaven.

We can apply liberally to ourselves I think the meaning of this scriptural passage, how often do we “expand” on God’s mandates, or are unloving to others, however it comes to anyone in meditating on it there’s a tremendous amount to be
applied even for us today.

God bless,
Eloina
 
I always thought it was kind of a cool parallel that the person who brought the Israelites into the promised land was Joshua. I’ve been told that Joshua is Jesus in Hebrew.

So, while Moses couldn’t bring the Israelites into the promised land, Joshua (Jesus) could. Just like the Moses/the Old Covenant couldn’t deliver the people to the REAL promised land (heaven) but Jesus can. See the cool parallel? Well, I think it’s cool anyway.

👍
“Jesus”, in English translated into “Yeshua”, in Hebrew. Joshua translated differently, although I cannot recall the correct translation at this time. I’ll see if I can find it, though, just for the sake of knowing one way or the other.
The fact that they sound a bit alike is not overly important, though.
 
“Jesus”, in English translated into “Yeshua”, in Hebrew. Joshua translated differently, although I cannot recall the correct translation at this time. I’ll see if I can find it, though, just for the sake of knowing one way or the other.
The fact that they sound a bit alike is not overly important, though.
I disagree. Joshua and Jesus translate to the same word.

To further the connection between Joshua and Jesus, look at Joshua when he’s telling the Israelites to cross the Jordan, and the 10 others spies say they can’t, what does Joshua say in Number 14:
Their defense has left them, but the LORD is with us. Therefore, do not be afraid of them
We find in the NT that Jesus is to be called Immanuel. What does Immanuel mean? “God is with us”!!!
 
I disagree. Joshua and Jesus translate to the same word.

To further the connection between Joshua and Jesus, look at Joshua when he’s telling the Israelites to cross the Jordan, and the 10 others spies say they can’t, what does Joshua say in Number 14:

We find in the NT that Jesus is to be called Immanuel. What does Immanuel mean? “God is with us”!!!
The coincidence of the two words having similar meanings is irrelevant. “Jesus” is the English translation of “Yeshua”. YOu might also recall that the English language did not exist 2000 years ago.

Further, it would be common to use the phrase “God be with you” or “The Lord be with you.” That was common in the times before the birth of Christ. Since it was obvious to all that God had made it possible for the Israelites to cross the Jordan and enter into the Promised Land, saying “God is with us” makes sense! But that does not necessarily translate the same as “Emmanuel”.
 
The coincidence of the two words having similar meanings is irrelevant. “Jesus” is the English translation of “Yeshua”. YOu might also recall that the English language did not exist 2000 years ago.
That’s irrelevant. I’m not trying to say they have similar meanings.
Further, it would be common to use the phrase “God be with you” or “The Lord be with you.” That was common in the times before the birth of Christ. Since it was obvious to all that God had made it possible for the Israelites to cross the Jordan and enter into the Promised Land, saying “God is with us” makes sense! But that does not necessarily translate the same as “Emmanuel”.
But Joshua was one of only three people trying to convince the Israelites to cross over. The coincidence (or I call them “Godincidence”) is not incidental.

OK, let me try to explain again.

** The Greek name Iesous can be translated either Joshua or Jesus. In the Old Testament Joshua succeeded Moses as the leader and covenant mediator for the people. It was Joshua, whose Hebrew name Jesus bore, who led the children of Israel into the Promise Land. His leadership saved his people from their enemies. In both the case of Jesus and Joshua, the Hebrew name Yeshua, or “God saves”, described their mission:
·She will bear a son and you are to name him Jesus, because he will save his people from their sinsMatthew 1:21].
·Valiant leader was Joshua, son of Nun, assistant to Moses in the prophetic office, formed to be, as his name implies, the great savior of God’s chosen ones, to punish the enemy and to win the inheritance for IsraelSirach 46:1].

Furthermore, when Joshua was trying to convince the Israelites to cross into the Promised land, he uttered the words “God is With us”

When the Angel told Mary that she would have a son and that they would call it “Immanuel” which means “God is with us”.

I, and many theologians see Joshua as a type of Jesus in many ways. If you don’t, that’s your business. 😉
 
So, that’s right then. They didn’t call Jesus “Jesus”. That’s English. His hebrew name was Yeshua. And Joshua’s Hebrew name was Yeshua. They both had the same Hebrew name.

Let me try to be not so lazy. :rolleyes: I can look it up myself! Come on!

Yep.

There it is. In my concordence it gives the same Greek translation for Joshua in Acts 7:45 (Joshua of the Old Testament) and for Jesus. It’s the same word. And it’s in Hebrews 4:8, too.

And look at that section around Joshua in Hebrews! It talks all abou the Sabbath rest, the seventh day and how the disobedient ones with Moses couldn’t enter that rest and how Joshua even spoke about “another day” of rest.

Very cool! 👍

It helps not to be so lazy sometimes. :o
 
This always seemed unduly harsh to me and I could not understand why God would punish Moses so severely for his acts. Last year, however, I was at a bible study class when this came up and the instructor said that in the desert certain rocks contain water, and the water can be extracted by breaking the rock…thus Moses, by striking the rock with a stick rather than allowing God to release the rock, made it appear as though he was the one giving the people the water rather than God, using human means, rather than God giving the people water. So it was disobedience by Moses as well as allowing the people to put their faith in man and man’s ways rather than God. I am not sure if that is right, but it points out why it is important to understand historical/cultural context when reading the bible.
 
the instructor said that in the desert certain rocks contain water, and the water can be extracted by breaking the rock…thus Moses, by striking the rock with a stick rather than allowing God to release the rock, made it appear as though he was the one giving the people the water rather than God, using human means, rather than God giving the people water.
I would certainly like to see the scientific support for that…

Certianly there are known sandstone aquifers under the desert in the Middle East, but that is not the same thing as saying that there are surface rocks laying around that contain water and that one can easily use such water by breaking one open as one would an egg.
 
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