Because in times past, when there was no separation of church and state, the church could indeed control rulers, if the rulers wished to remain Catholics in good standing.Why didn’t the Church stop Napoleon? He kicked the Church out of France.
Why do anti-Catholics always believe that the Church is an All-Powerful entity that can stop goverments at the drop of a hat?
After having recently listened to a 24 lecture series about the Papacy from the Teaching Company here:Because in times past, when there was no separation of church and state, the church could indeed control rulers, if the rulers wished to remain Catholics in good standing.
If the Pope excommunicated them, normally the people would cease to accept such a ruler because the people were usually devoutly Catholic.
Yes - and things change - like they did in France, England and other countries. Jews used to persecute Christians in the 1st century and Christians persecuted Jews.Because in times past, when there was no separation of church and state, the church could indeed control rulers, if the rulers wished to remain Catholics in good standing.
If the Pope excommunicated them, normally the people would cease to accept such a ruler because the people were usually devoutly Catholic.
Sorry to interrupt but, the last time somebody put this forward, they didn’t actually know what was happening to Jews at the time.Jews used to persecute Christians in the 1st century.
Which is all the more reason to be sympathetic to the persecution of early Christians in the Roman Empire. While the Jewish people were also being persecuted under the Roman rule, and as such had no power themselves beyond individual persecution, it is an historical fact individual Jews hated and reviled Christians in the first centuries of Christianity.Sorry to interrupt but, the last time somebody put this forward, they didn’t actually know what was happening to Jews at the time.
VERY well put. :clapping:Which is all the more reason to be sympathetic to the persecution of early Christians in the Roman Empire. While the Jewish people were also being persecuted under the Roman rule, and as such had no power themselves beyond individual persecution, it is an historical fact individual Jews hated and reviled Christians in the first centuries of Christianity.
You confuse the Catholic Church with Catholic people, they are not EXACTLY the same thing… Many more people have confused them then and now, and any time in between, and you’re not the last one to do that.The first Christians (along with other early heretical Jewish sects) were indeed banned from the synagogue because they were spreading their beliefs to the Jewish people and causing doctrinal confusion. But that’s all that happened, they were banned.
However, in the Middle Ages, the Catholic church not only banned (excommunicated) what they considered as heretics and apostates, they went after them and tortured/killed them. To me, that seems much worse.
CORRECTION, doc! By people from our religion, not “by (our) religion”!Yes, I agree that the Spanish Inquisition was a product of the government of Spain…but why didn’t the church stop them?
And will you understand about the persecution of Jews by your religion if a priest tells you?
ushmm.org/research/center/church/persecution/
Of course you don’t believe the account of the Acts of the Apostles. Christians WERE persecuted. Some zealous Jews did their share! When they stoned Stephanos, for instance (the future Paulos was there, I grant you, but there were Jews older than him there, so I doubt very much that he was the leader of the group of stoners…)Sorry to interrupt but, the last time somebody put this forward, they didn’t actually know what was happening to Jews at the time.
Yes but Ferdinand and Isabella were very devout Catholics…esp. Isabella…at least that is what Catholic history books claim. I’d think if the Pope truly had ordered them to stop, they would have done so.CORRECTION, doc! By people from our religion, not “by (our) religion”!
Why did the Church not stop them? The Church did condemn the excesses of the Spanish Inquisition, but as for the power tostop them… of course if the Spanish authorities wanted to show that they indeed were Catholics, they might have complied.
Only, it is not so automatic. In Hitler’s case, he would not care what the pope said… He hated him already, and all the bishops and priests too!
The media is controlled by the Jews?Most of the writings and programs written and made about the Inquisition are made with an anti-Catholic bias. An example where you can see this is on the History channel. Historically, Protestants have written falsehoods about the Inquisitions and now since the media is controlled by the Jews, it is their turn to dictate THEIR own version of history to us.
Checkout this good CD book.
catholiccompany.com/catholic-gifts/8001189/Fire-Sword-Crusade-Inquisition-Reformation-CDs/?category=17
From Bill Donohue of the Catholic League:The media is controlled by the Jews?
Really?
Tell me more.
Ah, now we’re getting somewhere.From Bill Donohue of the Catholic League:
"The point is that no one seriously disputes the fact that Hollywood is a heavily secular Jewish community. And while some may want to defend Hollywood against the charge that it is anti-Christian in general and anti-Catholic in particular, those who do so carry a heavy burden. It is not for nothing that Hollywood has been turning out one Christian-bashing film after another for the past few decades. There are books and tapes available that document the animus in detail.
Indeed, a report released on December 16 by the Parents Television Council shows that Hollywood has a real problem with religion. The study of CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox, WB, UPN and Pax contained 2,344 treatments of religion constituting 2,385 hours of primetime television. L. Brent Bozell, the president of the organization, said the findings of his study “lend credibility to the idea that Hollywood accepts spirituality but shies away from endorsing, or even tolerating, organized religion.” As important as anything, Bozell said that “anti-Catholic bigotry” was “rampant” on network shows. “Catholicism is in the bull’s-eye of the entertainment media,” he said."
catholicleague.org/Passion/reply.html
I can’t speak for aj44, but I’m assuming that what Bill Donohue said, is what their intention was in making that statement.Ah, now we’re getting somewhere.
You said “Jews”. Donohue said “secular Jews”. There is a major, major difference, you do know that?
Because those same secular Jews (also known as Jews-in-name-only) create propaganda against religious Jews as well as against religious Christians.
How would you feel if I chose to lump anti-religious Catholics in with religious Catholics, and claimed they acted as a monolith? For example, if I claimed pro-abortion Catholic acitivists truly represented the Catholic religion?
Please supply details.it is an historical fact individual Jews hated and reviled Christians in the first centuries of Christianity.
I wouldn’t take a word of it seriously, obviously.Of course you don’t believe the account of the Acts of the Apostles.
Please supply details from somewhere other than your own scriptures.Christians WERE persecuted.
religionfacts.com/christianity/history/persecution.htmPlease supply details from somewhere other than your own scriptures.
The total number of Christians martyred in the early church is unknown. Although some early writers speak of “great multitudes,” modern scholars tend to believe the actual number is not so great as is sometimes imagined. Out of the 54 emperors who ruled between 30 and 311 AD, only about a dozen went out of their way to persecute Christians. {5}
It has been calculated that between the first persecution under Nero in 64 to the Edict of Milan in 313, Christians experienced 129 years of persecution and 120 years of toleration and peace. {6}
The Roman persecutions were generally sporadic, localized, and dependent on the political climate and disposition of each emperor. Moreover, imperial decrees against Christians were often directed against church property, the Scriptures, or clergy only. It has been estimated that more Christians have been martyred in the last 50 years than in the church’s first 300 years. {7}
Any secular details about us naughty, naughty Jews and our ruthless persecution of Christians?