Why Do Atheists Or Anybody Else For That Matter

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

This is not quite true. In Germany homeschooling is not allowed at all. You may of course school your children in any belief you like but you have to send them to an official school. The problem is that those people did not want to have their children educated at public schools or those run by the big Churches, because they fear the teachings they might get there. Like biology.

We are beginning or have already witnessed this in the USA. They cry “Separation of Church and State”. Yet evolution has become a religion, and it is a rare occasion that you are allowed in a classroom from Kindergarten through Masters Programs to argue with this THEORY. You are not allowed to disagreee if you want to pass the course. This is even true of Catholic Colleges in many instances.

 

[annem]

We are beginning or have already witnessed this in the USA. They cry “Separation of Church and State”.

True enough, since the ACLU has gone on a rampage against Christmas, crosses, and religious expression anywhere and at any time. I think we can all agree that the increasingly anti-religious strain in our country marches hand in hand with a corrupt culture and rampant immorality.

. Yet evolution has become a religion, .

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I am a strong believer in evolution. Nevertheless, the problem with teaching evolution in our schools is that we have a monolithic educational system that frequently teaches gay rights and the like over the bleeding bodies of the parents of the children. In fact, there is a growing chasm between a huge portion of our population and the teaching in our schools.

What we need, desperately, is a system where the government pays for church schools. That way, those Evangelicals who do not believe in evolution can have the schools they want. And I believe this even though I find their take on evolution…well, wrong, with apologies to them.

Look, for as long as we have a monolithic system of education while having a culture split into secularists and the religious we will have unending problems. How do we resolve the issue of sexual education in schools when we have a monolithic system? We can’t even get an agreement on phonics.

God bless, Annem

 

[AnAtheist]

people are forced to send their children to “official” schools to be taught true evil

What true evil? Mathematics, physics, biology, politics, English, … ?

Religious belief is the one true freedom on which all other rights are built. And without true religious freedom governments tend to slide into all sorts of abuses, as witness this now in Germany.

Yes, but religious freedom in Germany is not a true freedom because Christianity is effectively a state religion.

Yet evolution has become a religion, and it is a rare occasion that you are allowed in a classroom from Kindergarten through Masters Programs to argue with this THEORY. You are not allowed to disagreee if you want to pass the course.

You do not pass a basic physics course either if you “disagree” with F = m*d²x/dt². Is mechanics a religion because of that?

 

[crowonsnow]

I’d like to know how an athiest can truly believe that everything came from nothing, and that order can come from chaos? This is why I believe in an intelligent designer.

Where do intelligent designers come from? Where do they get intelligence and design? You haven’t answered anything.

Most of the atheists I know do not believe in “nothing” whatever that may be to creationists. Actually it is creationism which invents nothing. If you are going to have a creator, it is necessary that one first believe in “nothing.” I do not equate everything with nothing. That is a creationist invention. “Nothing” is fantasy, or simply mere semantics. The universe is everywhere all the time.

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

What true evil? Mathematics, physics, biology, politics, English, … ?

No, evolution, sex education, liberalism, extreme environmentalism etc.

Yes, but religious freedom in Germany is not a true freedom because Christianity is effectively a state religion.

No one is stating that a state religion is a good thing, because it is too easily corrupted by politics. Besides, Jesus never forces Himself on anyone.

You do not pass a basic physics course either if you “disagree” with F = m*d²x/dt². Is mechanics a religion because of that?

That does not have anything to do with people trying to force evolution down my children’s throats, and not allow for anything that my children say about Creationism. They are denying my children the freedom of religion in that instance. Evolution and environmentalism have become religions, and there is very little freedom from it…because they don’t name it an official religion. That is just the matter of calling a spade a spade though. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, quacks like a duck…we can be sure it is a duck. The same thing with environmentalism and evolutionism. It has all of the ear marks of being a religion for all sakes and purposes. Even to the point where they are telling our children things to do to “take care of the earth that we ADORE”! Adoration is reserved for God.

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

Where do intelligent designers come from? Where do they get intelligence and design? You haven’t answered anything.

Most of the atheists I know do not believe in “nothing” whatever that may be to creationists. Actually it is creationism which invents nothing. If you are going to have a creator, it is necessary that one first believe in “nothing.” I do not equate everything with nothing. That is a creationist invention. “Nothing” is fantasy, or simply mere semantics. The universe is everywhere all the time.

The Eternal Father- First Person of the Holy Trinity, by means of the Word, Jesus- Second Person of the Holy Trinity, by the power of the Holy Spirit-the Third Person in the Holy Trinity created the world. He is God, the Alpha and the Omega, and the Creator of the World and Universe. The All Powerful and Ever Living GOD!!!

There is no other, and one day we will all meet Him, no one will escape it. I pray, Lord Jesus, that these people who are not believers become believers in the fullness of Your Truth…the absolute Truth before that day comes for them to meet You for Your Judgement of them. And me, too, Lord.

 

[myredeemerlives]

Where do intelligent designers come from? Where do they get intelligence and design? You haven’t answered anything.

Most of the atheists I know do not believe in “nothing” whatever that may be to creationists. Actually it is creationism which invents nothing. If you are going to have a creator, it is necessary that one first believe in “nothing.” I do not equate everything with nothing. That is a creationist invention. “Nothing” is fantasy, or simply mere semantics. The universe is everywhere all the time.

So, who created God? Well, the bible says that God is eternal, meaning he has no beginning and no end. He created time, matter and space… for time, matter and space to be here, something must have existed beforehand. It’s only logical. Many athiests say that maybe the universe always existed… which is exactly what God says about Himself!

We know that the universe is finite, meaning it had a beginning, and in order to have a beginning it must have started from nothing if nothing existed previously. So either something existed before the universe began or nothing became everything by mere accident.

 

[AnAtheist]

So, who created God?

We did. In our image, after our likeness.

 

[myredeemerlives]

So you think the bible is made up?

Have you ever closely studied it and it’s prophecies? It predicts what would happen 2,000 years into the future… and it’s put together not by one man but by many men of God who the holy spirit spoke through. When all the writings are put together they are flawless, the message matches perfectly. These writings were assembled over hundreds of years between each other, they predict the coming of Jesus hundreds of years before He arrived. No mere man alone could have possibly put together the bible.

You need to think! Do you really think you are an accident? Think about the human body and how it works… do you really believe it all just came together as some sort of cosmic accident?

Evolution is a ridiculous fairytale for adults.

 

[AnAtheist]

These writings were assembled over hundreds of years between each other, they predict the coming of Jesus hundreds of years before He arrived. No mere man alone could have possibly put together the bible.

Yeah, sure, it is absolutely impossible for mere men to read some ancient myths and then make up another story fitting them.

Do you really think you are an accident?

You obviously do not understand evolution. Evolution is not by accident or blind chance.

Evolution is a ridiculous fairytale for adults.

There are far better places to find fairytales for adults than in a scientific theory.

 

[crowonsnow]

So, who created God? Well, the bible says that God is eternal, meaning he has no beginning and no end. He created time, matter and space… for time, matter and space to be here, something must have existed beforehand. It’s only logical. Many athiests say that maybe the universe always existed… which is exactly what God says about Himself!

We know that the universe is finite, meaning it had a beginning, and in order to have a beginning it must have started from nothing if nothing existed previously. So either something existed before the universe began or nothing became everything by mere accident.

Lots of people say that a creator is eternal just like lots of people say the universe, or the ylem, or matter/energy is eternal. The difference obviously is that no one can show you their creator or their god. “Creator” is just a word like “nothing.” Neither can be demonstrated physically, yet both are essential to religious creationism.

Before there was the universe there was certainly something, just not in the form of the universe. I think people mistakenly use the word “nothing” when they really mean a quantity of zero. If you have an apple and then eat it, you now have zero apples. The apple has become part of you. It’s still around, just not as an apple. It’s still something.

The universe is certainly real enough. I don’t really understand why people think the universe shouldn’t exist. I find that odd. I think it’s just generations of superstition and conditioning.

I guess you could say that a creator just took what was there and made it into the universe. But if a creator is intelligent, wouldn’t it want to know how it came to be a creator, what it was before? I would think so. And it would know it didn’t make anything magically, but just manipulated what was there. It would know it wasn’t anything special, just part of the cosmos.

 

[mangy_dog]

Have to justify their beliefs to you?

Why can they not just live their own life, and be good and productive citizens for society?

Why can they not have their own lives?

Yes, why indeed do atheists come to a catholic forum and impose their atheist views or try to sharpshoot believers as to their beliefs?

If they bring it - they better be prepared to recieve it.

Otherwise they can continue to be fine, upstanding citizens of the world.

 

[crowonsnow]

Yes, why indeed do atheists come to a catholic forum and impose their atheist views or try to sharpshoot believers as to their beliefs?

If they bring it - they better be prepared to recieve it.

Otherwise they can continue to be fine, upstanding citizens of the world.

Impose? We’re just walking around the library.

 

[juhothenero]

There are far better places to find fairytales for adults than in a scientific theory.

Actually it is not even a theory since it cannot be falsified, which basically means it is not scientific… Anyway i would not put my money on a theory, because theory is just a theory as you know…

A real basis of atheism can be found total insanity of the world not in any science, since science for a real skeptic is just theories and not real evidence…

theories are not facts…

 

[juhothenero]

I guess you could say that a creator just took what was there and made it into the universe. But if a creator is intelligent, wouldn’t it want to know how it came to be a creator, what it was before? I would think so. And it would know it didn’t make anything magically, but just manipulated what was there. It would know it wasn’t anything special, just part of the cosmos.

This idea is some form of heresy from earlier times… there is a problem of the creator then not being the final creator. God in fact is existence itself… So he must exist. Real argument is what is he like rather then there is a God or not. If there is existence there is God…

Atheism is pure insanity because it does not believe in existence, the best atheist so far is Sartre who saw the true form of atheism and absence of God as mindless journey making choices to find a mind

 

[juhothenero]

It comes from Christians. I’m sure if you took a poll and asked Christians if they considered their personal salvation more important than the well being of the next ten thousand human generations, the vast, vast majority would pick personal salvation.

This is probably caused by some sort of protestantism… for Christians it is not about my salvation but the salvation of all, being a part of the Christs sacrifice on the cross, on his wounds and agony to become a sacrifice for all humanity. That is why Christian church is called the body of Christ… you know what happened to that body

 

[latin_rite]

It comes from Christians. I’m sure if you took a poll and asked Christians if they considered their personal salvation more important than the well being of the next ten thousand human generations, the vast, vast majority would pick personal salvation.
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well. to me a important part of obtaining personal salvation. is being genuinely concerned about the well being of those ten thousand people

 

[AnAtheist]

Actually it is not even a theory since it cannot be falsified, which basically means it is not scientific.

Karl Popper is not the only one setting standards for scientific theories.

Anyway i would not put my money on a theory, because theory is just a theory as you know…

A real basis of atheism can be found total insanity of the world not in any science, since science for a real skeptic is just theories and not real evidence…

theories are not facts…

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

Lots of people say that a creator is eternal just like lots of people say the universe, or the ylem, or matter/energy is eternal. The difference obviously is that no one can show you their creator or their god. “Creator” is just a word like “nothing.” Neither can be demonstrated physically, yet both are essential to religious creationism.

Before there was the universe there was certainly something, just not in the form of the universe. I think people mistakenly use the word “nothing” when they really mean a quantity of zero. If you have an apple and then eat it, you now have zero apples. The apple has become part of you. It’s still around, just not as an apple. It’s still something.

The universe is certainly real enough. I don’t really understand why people think the universe shouldn’t exist. I find that odd. I think it’s just generations of superstition and conditioning.

I guess you could say that a creator just took what was there and made it into the universe. But if a creator is intelligent, wouldn’t it want to know how it came to be a creator, what it was before? I would think so. And it would know it didn’t make anything magically, but just manipulated what was there. It would know it wasn’t anything special, just part of the cosmos.

I hope you are not truly as lost as you sound. for your words prove you truly lost. Can I ask what you have against our Creator, Who is the Almighty God in 3 Persons…Father, Son…Jesus…, and Holy Spirit? Why do you seem to hate Him so much that you refuse to acknowledge Him Who created YOU? He loves you. He wants you. He has given you life, and died so that you could spend eternity with Him. Why are you so indifferent to Him, that you would rather believe anything rather than believe Him?

 

[Jesus_N_Cherie]

It comes from Christians. I’m sure if you took a poll and asked Christians if they considered their personal salvation more important than the well being of the next ten thousand human generations, the vast, vast majority would pick personal salvation.

But if you are a good observer and simply ignore what people say, you’ll find that Christians do care about the human future, albeit not as much as they could if personal salvation wasn’t getting in the way.

It goes against Christianity or creationism to say that we have to choose between our salvation which is eternal and the welfare of the next ten thousand human generations. God also loves the next 10 thousand generations. We can care about them with all of our heart, mind and soul…and that would be in keeping with our traditional faith. What we are not allowed to do in order to not lose our salvation is sin…which, by the way, denying the existance and redeeming passion of God would fall into the catagory of.
So, your quote above made no sense.