Why do athiests bother coming to this website?

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What I tried to express is that it would be evident to me and it was not to the professor, that someone who devoted as my time and effort as I was devoting in learning about God - believes in God.
Not necessarily. An atheist can spend quite a bit of time studying religion as a purely cultural phenomenon, and plenty of nontheistic academics do precisely this.

While it might be true that a greater number of theists might be attracted to such a field, it’s not the case that someone who studies the field is necessarily a believer.
 
God brought me here, who are you to question his wisdom?! 😛

Ok, seriously, I’m here because many religious people or people in general look at those who don’t share same beliefs with them (including non believers) as ‘aliens’. I want to change that, sure I’m not perfect myself, and this site is shown on Google when you do researchs and type a question so many atheists would register to reply to a thread.
Indeed!Sometimes I’ve typed a question into Google and found a reference to a statement that I or some one else on this forum has made a few hours or even several years previously! It’s incredibly swift and encyclopaedic…
 
God brought me here, who are you to question his wisdom?! 😛

Ok, seriously, I’m here because many religious people or people in general look at those who don’t share same beliefs with them (including non believers) as ‘aliens’.<—REALLY?! I want to change that, sure I’m not perfect myself, and this site is shown on Google when you do researchs and type a question so many atheists would register to reply to a thread.
I hadn’t noticed anyone treating me like an alien for ANY reason. Nor do I treat someone else like an alien just because they disagree with me on something. People disagree on stuff all the time and get along just fine.
 
I hadn’t noticed anyone treating me like an alien for ANY reason. Nor do I treat someone else like an alien just because they disagree with me on something. People disagree on stuff all the time and get along just fine.
Ok, but I’m not you and you are not me, so what I’ve experienced and learned in my life may be in somehow different from what you have experienced or other people experiences.
 
Indeed!Sometimes I’ve typed a question into Google and found a reference to a statement that I or some one else on this forum has made a few hours or even several years previously! It’s incredibly swift and encyclopaedic…
Imagine yourself learning new informations from your old posts while searching on Google 0.o 😃
 
Indeed!Sometimes I’ve typed a question into Google and found a reference to a statement that I or some one else on this forum has made a few hours or even several years previously! It’s incredibly swift and encyclopaedic…
It’s useful when I’ve forgotten an idea or something I wrote - which is not surprising after more than seven thousand posts on this forum… and others on Answerway several years ago!
 
God brought me here, who are you to question his wisdom?! 😛

Ok, seriously, I’m here because many religious people or people in general look at those who don’t share same beliefs with them (including non believers) as ‘aliens’. I want to change that, sure I’m not perfect myself, and this site is shown on Google when you do researchs and type a question so many atheists would register to reply to a thread.
I have also considered the “alien” theory. Perhaps not so much as coming from another world but speculating that there could be significant genetic differences between believers and non-believers. I honestly can’t understand how intelligent well educated people can sincerely believe some of this stuff. Looking forward to seeing the results of studying the genetic differences.
 
Do they just enjoy arguing with other people and attacking their beliefs? I wonder what evolutionary mutation compels them to do that.
With all due respect, an organization as big and powerful as the CC deserves some competitors. You know, to keep it from growing too big for its britches.

I am not an atheist, but I am not a Catholic. I am not even a Christian. I do not believe the Creator is worthy of worship. BUT, I have my ideas. And, I feel it is within my rights to challenge the ideas of others when I find them offensive or absurd.

I’m sure atheists may feel the same way. As perhaps do you.

Thank You.
 
You made us for Yourself, Oh Lord, and our hearts are restless until they rest in Thee.
-St. Augustine

I can’t promise I got the quote exactly right, but it gives the idea. Some may have lesser motives, but I think most are ‘restless.’
 
What do you think it means?
I know what it means; and by seeing that it is indeed “true” that some actions “merit” or “justify” a sense of deserving, It is one of the reasons I believe in God. Objective Moral law and Value is evident to my experiences.

You seem to suggest that objective moral law is evident to your experiences when you use words such as “deserving” so as to give a sense of objective truth. But since you don’t believe in the Christian conception of God, I am asking you what “you mean by it” and why you think that the people you are debating with should recognise it as “true”.

Are you just throwing meaningless words out there in the hope that somebody will be deceived in to thinking it has objectivity?
 
Do they just enjoy arguing with other people and attacking their beliefs? I wonder what evolutionary mutation compels them to do that.
Heck yeah, we enjoy arguing. 🙂 The same way Catholics, or any other people do.

The reason I came to this site today, was… I haven’t been here for a long time, so I decided to check back on it. 😛
 
I know what it means; and by seeing that it is indeed “true” that some actions “merit” or “justify” a sense of deserving, It is one of the reasons I believe in God. Objective Moral law and Value is evident to my experiences.

You seem to suggest that objective moral law is evident to your experiences when you use words such as “deserving” so as to give a sense of objective truth. But since you don’t believe in the Christian conception of God, I am asking you what “you mean by it” and why you think that the people you are debating with should recognise it as “true”.

Are you just throwing meaningless words out there in the hope that somebody will be deceived in to thinking it has objectivity?
The moral law is the moral law whatever time and place you find it in. That said, Christianity does not automatically equal law. In fact, I see it as quite the opposite. The Abrahamic religions all, to my mind, privilege belief over action to an undue extent, and the Catholic Church is guilty of a lot of crimes for which she must atone for if she wishes to persist as a legitimate institution.

So, I will critique “Her.” Not only that, but I am quite justified in critiquing her. That is because she has been a bad girl, and still is, in a lot of ways.

🙂
 
The moral law is the moral law whatever time and place you find it in. That said, Christianity does not automatically equal law. In fact, I see it as quite the opposite. The Abrahamic religions all, to my mind, privilege belief over action to an undue extent, and the Catholic Church is guilty of a lot of crimes for which she must atone for if she wishes to persist as a legitimate institution.

So, I will critique “Her.” Not only that, but I am quite justified in critiquing her. That is because she has been a bad girl, and still is, in a lot of ways.

🙂
Where does moral law come from?
 
Where does moral law come from?
You don’t know anymore than I do.

Sure, we can both say it’s from our respective gods, but that isn’t really answering the question in a robust way. In any case not all of us would agree on how we got there.

What we CAN agree on, though, is that morality has some kind of universality to it. To me it seems a necessary fact of this cosmos. Law governs everything. I call it “karma.” You may call it something else.
 
What does it mean to say that karma exists?
Well, for one it means that actions have effects. If I go and have sex with this girl and she gets pregnant, well, tough. If I go down to the soup shop tomorrow and gorge myself on lobster bisque I’m going to have a helluvah lot of indigestion in the coming hours. Now, extend this idea of “cause” and “effect” over a whole lifetime. Once that’s done, it isn’t hard to extend it over multiple lifetimes.

Absolutely every cause has an effect.
 
Well, for one it means that actions have effects. If I go and have sex with this girl and she gets pregnant, well, tough. If I go down to the soup shop tomorrow and gorge myself on lobster bisque I’m going to have a helluvah lot of indigestion in the coming hours. Now, extend this idea of “cause” and “effect” over a whole lifetime. Once that’s done, it isn’t hard to extend it over multiple lifetimes.

Absolutely every cause has an effect.
Cause and effect doesn’t really tell me much about moral truth. It just says that actions have consequences.
 
Cause and effect doesn’t really tell me much about moral truth. It just says that actions have consequences.
Well, it all depends on your system of morality. Some may point to a consequentialist ethic, others might suppose something like deontology, where what happens is irrelevant.

I think you need a synthesis. The approach I take is that cause and effect are good INDICATORS of moral truth, but they themselves do not exhaust it. So, karma is the key, as it were, of unlocking moral truth. Eating too much lobster bisque and becoming gluttonous is a bad thing not because you will turn obese, but because it is an inherently selfish and egotistical thing to do. The ill-effects of eating too much are simply an indication of this one-sidedness and the fact that you fall into greater and greater pride and egoism as you let various addictions take over your life.
 
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