Why do Catholics do that?

[tm21]

I don’t understand why this is unjust; maybe our moral compasses are different.

The pilot has the responsibility for the safety of everyone on his aircraft, just as a mother has the responsibility for the safety of her child.

 

[PJM]

I have no problem believing that I am just saying so someone has a point of reference. I am pro-life womb to tomb but it’s really important to know early documents outside the Bible to know that Christianity has always opposed abortion and the Church is consistent in that

Absolutely!

THANKS and GBY

 

[adamhovey1988]

Absolutely!

THANKS and GBY

Thank you for giving my the chance to particpate.

 

[PJM]

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Originally Posted by PJM View Post
This is wghat ir boils down too:

WHO"S IN CHARGE

God or us?

Nothing. NOT one thing happens without God’s (name removed by moderator)ut! AMEN!

TAKE UP YOUR CROSS

Mt 5:48 Be you therefore perfect, as also your heavenly Father is perfect.

Lk 14:27 And whosoever doth not carry his cross and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

Phil 2:8 He humbled himself, becoming obedient unto death, even to the death of the cross.

Heb 12: 2 “Looking on Jesus, the author and finisher of faith, who having joy set before him, endured the cross, despising the shame, and now sitteth on the right hand of the throne of God.

GBY end quote

I’m sorry, I’m not sure what you mean?

SORRY about that

Man emulates our God by having a mind, intellect and freewill; all of which like GOD are immortal and Spiritual realities.

But with a very precise application DESIRED by God:

Isa. 43: 7 & 21
[7] every one who is called by my name, whom I created for my glory,whom I formed and made." & [21] the people whom I formed for myself **that they might **declare my praise.

These Gifts from our God; which BTW, are unique to humanity; have a precise and desired application, which is that we FREELY return to God the freedom He has given us to abuse these POWERFUL gifts, by in humility, willingly conforming our will’s to His Divine Will.

Does this explain it for you?

GB

Patrick

 

[PJM]

What if giving birth is likely to lead to the mother’s death (see my post above)? In that case, would abortion not be considered an act of self defense? The mother is acting in self defense when she is aborting a baby that could lead to her death if she were to give birth to said baby.

Please read my reply on POST #84

We must TRUTH is God to accomplish what HE chooses; even IF we don’t understand it or don’t agree with it

GBY

 

[PJM]

Right, but I still choose to take into account the minority who do seek out abortions in these cases. Statistically small, but their lives are worth just as much. I think it’s important to take these rare cases into consideration, or else it would be a flawed system.

NOT an OPTION if your Catholic or Christian

Please read POST #84

GBY

 

[PJM]

the moral principle of “double effect” applies in these situations. Essentially this principle means that the intended outcome can not be the intrinsic evil (bad effect), even though the evil,undesired action is likely to be a secondary outcome of the action. The intended good outcome (good effect) must outweigh the bad effect in circumstances sufficiently grave to justify causing the bad effect. For example, in the case of an ectopic pregnancy, it would be morally permissible to perform a salpingectomy (removal of the affected section of the fallopian tube). The death of the embryo is a foreseen and unintended effect of an act directed at removing the pathologically affected section of the fallopian tube (the good action or effect). This is only permissible because the result of taking no action is sufficiently grave: The certain death of both the mother and child.

thank you!

Gb

 

[PJM]

I don’t understand why this is unjust; maybe our moral compasses are different.

My friend, NEITHER Truth or God permit a difference.

What is right IS RIGHT

What is wrong IS WRONG:

GBY

 

[Hope_Philomena]

NOT an OPTION if your Catholic or Christian

Please read POST #84

GBY

I don’t understand how this is not Christian of me to be concerned for everyone rather than just the majority?

 

[Peter_J]

Right, but I still choose to take into account the minority who do seek out abortions in these cases. Statistically small, but their lives are worth just as much. I think it’s important to take these rare cases into consideration, or else it would be a flawed system.

I don’t understand how this is not Christian of me to be concerned for everyone rather than just the majority?

Yes, they should certainly be taken into consideration, but I think there’s far too much emphasis on “The Right wants to take away the life-of-the-mother exception” and so on, when nearly all abortions in this country have no exception requirement at all (abortion on demand). It’s very misleading.

 

[Hope_Philomena]

Yes, they should certainly be taken into consideration, but I think there’s far too much emphasis on “The Right wants to take away the life-of-the-mother exception” and so on, when nearly all abortions in this country have no exception requirement at all (abortion on demand). It’s very misleading.

I was not trying to place emphasis on any political agenda, merely expressing my point of view on the matter.

I don’t care about right, left, up, down, sideways, slanted; please do not mistake me for someone who has any interest in that matter.

 

[StGerardMajella]

tm21 wrote: To better understand your position, what do you think Jesus’ relationship with the Father is?

That’s the crux of the matter - the delineating factor. Judaism considers incarnation or anyone proclaiming to be a “god” as blasphemous, as an affront against the Creator. Historically, Christianity has a similar condemnation for those Jews that deny Jesus is the Christ, the Messiah.

Throughout history, and even in the Bible, we see numerous individuals, including Moses, Elijah, and many others, working many miracles through the hand of the Creator. We don’t generally consider these individuals “divine”. So, the real question is at what point does a miracle worker become divinity, or a “son of God”?

Interestingly, in Judaism, there are quite a few Jewish “saints” with many, many miraculous wonders attributed to the Creator working through them.

Could you be more specific please?

The Church is no longer Jewish in language, religious customs, liturgy, calendar, etc. There are vestiges of Judaism in the Church if you look closely, but much has been removed. It is believed by some that this was done for a more universal appeal. Rules of Mosaic law were lightened and in some cases, disregarded altogether.

Why is this important?

The calendar is important as many significant religious dates during the year are tied to the calendar, including the weekly timing of the Sabbath. We appear to have diverged from the calendar that would have been used when Christ lived. Why the divergence?

Catholics (and 99.0% of all Christians) celebrate Sunday as the new Sabbath because it has always been celebrated since biblical times on the 8th day…

The earliest Christians who were Jews would have rested from Friday at sundown to all day Saturday until sundown. They would then gather on Sunday for what would be considered the earliest forms of what we refer to as the “Mass”.

The seventh day is clearly outlined as the day of the Sabbath in both the Ten Commandments as well as in the Old Testament. This was Mosaic law, much of which we disregard as Christians to - my opinion - to our detriment.

If it is an offense then God would have been guilty of commanding idolatry when he told the Hebrews to construct in the inner sanctuary two huge gold plated Cherubim

The cherubim would only be visible by the High Priest once a year. The rest of the year it would have been behind a curtain and unseen. Laity from what I gather were not allowed even on the inside of the Temple.

I only question what I view to be - personal opinion - excessive use of statuary. The Carthusians seem to be least succumbing in this regard.

 

[PJM]

I don’t understand how this is not Christian of me to be concerned for everyone rather than just the majority?

Thanks,

I don’t recall your post, but I suspect it has to do with THE TRUTH which can only be singular per defined issue.

THE RCC teaches:

Love the sinner but HATE the sin: … AMEN!

GBY

 

[Peter_J]

I was not trying to place emphasis on any political agenda, merely expressing my point of view on the matter.

I don’t care about right, left, up, down, sideways, slanted; please do not mistake me for someone who has any interest in that matter.

Right, I’m not suggesting that you were being misleading.

 

[Contarini]

Why do we believe that God does not punish us on earth for our sins? Why does he wait until we die?

That’s not a Catholic belief to my knowledge. I myself would say that our sins have consequences rather than that God “punishes us,” though in a sense it’s the same thing. But clearly God does discipline and purify us on earth. It’s just that the job is rarely done at the point of death.

Edwin