Why do catholics leave the Catholic Church

[guanophore]

I haven’t developed amnesia since conversion to Orthodoxy so I still remember my RC Catechism pretty well.

If there is no Catholic Liturgy within reasonable distance, the obligation to attend Sunday Liturgy is dispensed. So as a Roman Catholic, you are not required to go to an Orthodox Divine Liturgy.

True, but we are encouraged to go, and to seek a dispensation from the priest to receive the sacraments.

 

[Edward_H]

The reason Catholics shouldn’t attend Orthodox liturgies is that it would show or signify a false union.

My understanding is that Orthodox ordinations are considered valid by the Catholic Church because they’ve never stopped holding that their priests should have the intention of “offering sacrifice”. If their Bishop has the intention that these newly ordained priests will be offering sacrifice, then the ordination is valid.

Protestant ordinations, onthe other hand, at some point stopped having that sacrificing intention…and so their priestly role slowly died out…and the new bishops or authorities who had not been ordained to offer sacrifices couldn’t themselves then pass on to those they ordained the priestly role. Died out.

 

[George_Stegmeir]

I’m in the process of leaving for one reason–Pope Francis. I really, really can’t stand this guy, and there’s no way I’m going to subjugate myself to his style of leading. Francis needs to stop with all of the phony humility and start acting like a pope should. Until then, I’m out of the Church. I’m done. I’m back to being a Methodist.

I smell a troll here!

 

[crazzeto]

I haven’t developed amnesia since conversion to Orthodoxy so I still remember my RC Catechism pretty well.

If there is no Catholic Liturgy within reasonable distance, the obligation to attend Sunday Liturgy is dispensed. So as a Roman Catholic, you are not required to go to an Orthodox Divine Liturgy.

Should not one, however seek the sacraments if they are able too? It is better to ask the local ordinary for permission to attend the sacraments I think, then just pretend there is absolutely no chance or opportunity.

 

[PRmerger]

Should not one, however seek the sacraments if they are able too? It is better to ask the local ordinary for permission to attend the sacraments I think, then just pretend there is absolutely no chance or opportunity.

You are making an obligation where the Church has required none.

I suppose your paradigm could be applied, then, to daily Mass. Do you think the Church should impose an obligation upon her members to attend daily Mass, since, one should “seek the sacraments if they are able to”?

 

[crazzeto]

You are making an obligation where the Church has required none.

I suppose your paradigm could be applied, then, to daily Mass. Do you think the Church should impose an obligation upon her members to attend daily Mass, since, one should “seek the sacraments if they are able to”?

Where did I make an obligation?

Edit:
I would ask the local ordinary for permission, because I know I’m better off with the graces of the sacrament. I would respect the position of the Eastern Bishop one way or the other, but I would seek the sacraments always if I am able. I think it’s better that way, it certainly is for me.

 

[PRmerger]

Where did I make an obligation?

Edit:
I would ask the local ordinary for permission, because I know I’m better off with the graces of the sacrament. I would respect the position of the Eastern Bishop one way or the other, but I would seek the sacraments always if I am able. I think it’s better that way, it certainly is for me.

When you said “should” that implies an obligation.

 

[jcld]

Why do and are catholics leaving the Church and possibily their salvation. Heb. 6:4-8

Continued Blessings,

Pat

As of today, I have met some who leaves the Catholic Church because of

1. Personally sad reasons ( which the Church rules or Church clergymen caused )
2. Ignorance about the essential elements of Catholic faith ( scripture & tradition )
3. Misleading friends/family
4. No opportunity to study the faith

 

[ProVobis]

Orthodox don’t believe in papal infallibility,they also don’t believe the priest acts in persona Christi ,so they are not in Communion with the Roman Catholic Chirch.

The issue was Apostolic Succession. This really doesn’t have to much to do with present communion with the Pope. The Orthodox have valid Apostolic Succession.

 

[At_His_Feet_1]

As per the title of this thread: “Why do catholics leave the church?”

I can only give my answer like this:

Regardless of anything else…Dogmas, indoctrinations, rules…you name it…

We are all human with our own frailties et al.

I look at how the world has changed in the last 5, 20, 50, yrs. and more.

I’m reminded of one of my more favorite passages:

Ephesians 6:12: “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”

A constant battle. Since the beginning of time.

With our Bishops, Priests, Nuns, and ordinary Laymen, etc.

There is so much going on with the world today, that it enwraps our thoughts and everyday actions; right down to the very core of the ‘family’ structure. In some cases, unraveling it…as we speak.

What goes on ‘out there in the world’ affects our children; in as much as we try to instill ‘right from wrong’ we are being thwarted at every turn.

Kids today, don’t find the Mass exhilarating and fun. Nor should our Holy Mass be! Exhilarating - YES. But…

Our children have found solace in worldly material things only. Not ‘all of them’, but quite a few.

We’re fighting a huge battle here. For their minds, heart and soul.

So many things are a ‘convenience’, and taken for granted. So many technologies are replacing the Holiness of God.

And we are caught up in the middle of it.

 

[ConstantineTG]

Should not one, however seek the sacraments if they are able too? It is better to ask the local ordinary for permission to attend the sacraments I think, then just pretend there is absolutely no chance or opportunity.

The Orthodox normally won’t give Sacraments to non-Orthodox

 

[crazzeto]

The Orthodox normally won’t give Sacraments to non-Orthodox

One can hope that with continuing dialog and encouragement coming from Constantinople (They might be Giants not withstanding) things might start changing.

 

[ejp123]

Ouch!

“While a lot of people leave the Church, they tend not to be good Catholics,” says Curtis Martin, president of Catholics United for the Faith, who himself returned to the Church after spending five years as an evangelical Protestant. “The Protestants [now] coming into the Church are the most devoted Protestants, people deeply committed to Scripture and prayer. We’re losing the numbers game but we are winning the quality game in spades.

I wonder if Jesus would agree with this kind of thinking. Sick and disgusting way of looking at it. Moreso, the last sentence. I say this as an active Catholic.

 

[crazzeto]

“While a lot of people leave the Church, they tend not to be good Catholics,” says Curtis Martin, president of Catholics United for the Faith, who himself returned to the Church after spending five years as an evangelical Protestant. “The Protestants [now] coming into the Church are the most devoted Protestants, people deeply committed to Scripture and prayer. We’re losing the numbers game but we are winning the quality game in spades.

I wonder if Jesus would agree with this kind of thinking. Sick and disgusting way of looking at it. Moreso, the last sentence. I say this as an active Catholic.

I think a better POV is, what is the best way to convert all to Christ. With that in mind, I’m not sure how to judge the above. In some sense, it’s good that the Evangelicals can get people in the door, but in another it’s good (arguably better) that the CC can offer so much more in terms of substance and growing the spiritual life.

I think ideally we might find some good blending of methodologies, to get people in the door and then also feed them with orthodoxy and the deep spiritual tradition found in Holy Mother Church.

 

[ConstantineTG]

One can hope that with continuing dialog and encouragement coming from Constantinople (They might be Giants not withstanding) things might start changing.

Constantinople does not speak for all of Orthodoxy. At best he’s like the US Secretary General.

Also, don’t hold your breath on this issue. In my conversion I did a comparative study on a few things and I can see we’re far apart on many issues. I won’t be surprised if there are more differences in other subjects I haven’t gone through yet. The hope is that our relations will continue to grow as time goes by. But reunification is far, far away. Not in our lifetime.

 

[ConstantineTG]

1. Personally sad reasons ( which the Church rules or Church clergymen caused )

Sometimes it isn’t the big bad things. Sometimes they were just simply ignored by their clergy and they never got any kind of spiritual guidance.

 

[Elizabeth502]

“While a lot of people leave the Church, they tend not to be good Catholics,” says Curtis Martin, president of Catholics United for the Faith, who himself returned to the Church after spending five years as an evangelical Protestant. “The Protestants [now] coming into the Church are the most devoted Protestants, people deeply committed to Scripture and prayer. We’re losing the numbers game but we are winning the quality game in spades.

I wonder if Jesus would agree with this kind of thinking. Sick and disgusting way of looking at it. Moreso, the last sentence. I say this as an active Catholic.

Commitment is “sick and disgusting?” I don’t think Jesus actually would agree with that statement. I didn’t investigate the link from the post that is referenced here. I just heard Curtis recently, though, on CAL. What I know of Curtis Martin is that the term “good” next to “Catholics” has nothing to do with sin or virtue, but with sincere commitment versus resentful or lukewarm commitment – the same lukewarmness which Jesus condemned and which unfortunately is highly visible in the Church today.

I don’t call anyone who sets up, in their interior heart, an opposing “church” of authority (i.e., Self) to be “a good Catholic.” For starters, even if they excelled at some virtues, they would fail at one of the most important virtues emphasized and modeled by Jesus: humility. It’s really not possible to be a person of charity while lacking in humility. Again, Jesus demonstrated this. Charity, humility, and obedience are interrelated.

Out of context, I don’t necessarily disagree with Curtis Martin’s statement IF he means it in the way I believe he means it.

Please note clearly: This is all in reference to many, many pages ago on this thread (which is where the quote above came up), relative to Roman Catholics drifting away from the practice of Catholicism. It has nothing to do with the recent discussion here about the Orthodox tradition.

 

[PJM]

=Nicea325;10767372]One easy answer: Free-will.

Ecclesiasticus 15:18
Before man is life and death, good and evil, that which he shall choose shall be given him:

 

[PJM]

=George Stegmeir;10768501]I smell a troll here!

Good job:thumbsup:

There is on all forums the opportunity to indicate ones level of intellegence. A lack of charity is a powerful indicator.

 

[PJM]

=ejp123;10769937]“While a lot of people leave the Church, they tend not to be good Catholics,” says Curtis Martin, president of Catholics United for the Faith, who himself returned to the Church after spending five years as an evangelical Protestant. “The Protestants [now] coming into the Church are the most devoted Protestants, people deeply committed to Scripture and prayer. We’re losing the numbers game but we are winning the quality game in spades.

I wonder if Jesus would agree with this kind of thinking. Sick and disgusting way of looking at it. Moreso, the last sentence. I say this as an active Catholic.

It’s ALL about saving Souls. Our own and assistang others.

There is no substitute for Good; even GREAT catechis. That it is rare is a sad reflection on the times in which we live.