Dan Parker;5720399:
Yes, but that begs the question as to whether or not Christians together make up one temple or are each their own temple. In that verse temple is singular and those that make up that single temple are referred to in the plural.
Jeanne:
Both. Each Christian is A temple of God because the Holy Spirit lives in us and together we make up THE temple of God
Dan:
There are ways in Greek to make it explicit that while one is addressing a group something applies to the individual. For example a verse just a few verses earlier:
NJB 1 Corinthians 3:13 but each person’s handiwork will be shown for what **it **is. The Day which dawns in fire will make it clear and the fire itself will test the quality of each person’s work.
If you look at the Greek you will see singular nouns, verbs and articles, etc. This is what you need in 1Co 3:16 to prove that a single individual is in view as a temple. Remember, this is the same context to which you appealed where Paul is addressing the brothers as a community.
Jeanne:
I am not a Greek scholar, I am just reading my bible as the Greek and Hebrew scholars translated it and am trusting that they did it right.
Yes and the community consists of individuals.
Dan:
If you don’t want to take my word for this, take Justin Martyr’s comments. I am being told by Catholics that Justin received his doctrine from the apostles.
Justin links 1Co 3:16 and John 2:19 and says our bodies (plural) are a temple (singular). He says those bodies are members of Christ. He says explicitly that “the temple of God” is “the members of Christ” and “our bodies” are “the temple of Christ.” He does this in the context of John 2:19.
**Jeanne **
I agree. All of our personal bodies(plural) your body, my body are a temple of God in which the Holy Spirit dwells. Yes all of the Christian bodies do make up the temple of God. Yes all of our individual bodies are individual members of Christ’s body. Jesus is the Saviour of the individual and the collective.
Dan:
You no longer argue that John 2:19 is a proof-text for the resurrection of the physical body of Christ any longer, which is good, because that text cannot prove your original premise.
Jeanne:
I did not give up on my premise but on the circular discussion.
Dan:
However this view as well as his view that the Son was not the Creator is actually closer to JW theology.
Jeanne
Where did this come from. I thought we were talking about the temple of God.
Dan:
I am working on a theory that the farther back one gets to the apostles the closer one gets to JW theology. So far the evidence supports the theory very well.
Jeanne:
What evidence? JW theology originated with Mr. Russell and continues with what the current Governing Body deems as true for now until they are enlightened again… I will continue to go with what the Catholic church teaches because it has not changed its teaching from the beginning.
Jeanne
In the beginning was the Word(Jesus) and the Word(Jesus) was with God…
He (the Word Jesus) was with God in the beginning. Through Him all things came to be…
How do you separate God’s word from God. How can you separate a mans word from man. Man is his word.
Dan:
Does Justin make this argument?
Jeanne:
I don’t know what arguments Justin makes.
You didn’t answer the question.
Jeanne
PS I need to learn how to make my post easier to read like you do yours. How do you do it?
Dan:
You have a choice of tools in the editor. I find that when one uses the indent instead of the quote, when one replies it comes across in the reply. The other tools like formatting and links are also in that bar
Jeanne:
I don’t see the editor until my message is sent.
Jeanne, you appear to have lost much of my argument, including the parts that refute your previous stated positions, for example here is one:
Jeanne:
If you start reading 1 Cor.3 :1 and following you will see that Paul is addressing the" Brothers" a community. It is my understanding that when some one is addressing a group and says JB: 1Cor 3:16 Didn’t YOU realize that YOU were God’s temple and that the Spirit of God was living among YOU? he is talking about the individual you. Paul didn’t want the followers of Christ to fall into an incomplete teaching that Apollos was offering
Dan:
There are ways in Greek to make it explicit that while one is addressing a group something applies to the individual. For example a verse just a few verses earlier:
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NJB 1 Corinthians 3:13 but each person's handiwork will be shown for what it is. The Day which dawns in fire will make it clear and the fire itself will test the quality of each person's work.
If you look at the Greek you will see singular nouns, verbs and articles, etc. This is what you need in 1Co 3:16 to prove that a single individual is in view as a temple. Remember, this is the same context to which you appealed where Paul is addressing the brothers as a community.
Do you agree that this argument has been refuted? Now that I have refuted it, it works against you. Paul when speaking to a group has included portions of that same passage where he grammatically directs it to individuals. Since he did not do this in the verses in question, he is speaking to the group, the members of which make up his singular body.
