Why do lutherans call themselves evangelical catholics?

[Annie39]

Now, this, this advice is something that may be worthwhile for the lurkers to consider, although with some reservations.

Yes, for those seeking unification with the CC, keep your eyes on the Holy Father, but keep your eyes fixed on Christ behind him…

and conform your views to what Christ has revealed.

Don’t try to create a Catholic Church that is made in your image and likeness.

But this…this is, frankly, a very peculiar suggestion.

I suggest to the lurkers/seekers to **not **wear blinders when seeking Truth.

And triumphalism is something no Catholic ought to be espousing.

That’s pretty obvious.

Would you define “triumphalism” please?

Annie

 

[7_Sorrows]

Would you define “triumphalism” please?

Annie

I believe PRmerger was replying to another poster that had used the word triumphalism.

I am not sure if this is correct, but the original poster who used this word might be suggesting Catholics believe we are right.
I am not sure exactly what the poster meant. Just a guess. I might be wrong.

 

[Annie39]

I believe PRmerger was replying to another poster that had used the word triumphalism.

I am not sure if this is correct, but the original poster who used this word might be suggesting Catholics believe we are right.
I am not sure exactly what the poster meant. Just a guess. I might be wrong.

Hmmm I’m thinking that this Catholic is a triumphalist.

Annie

 

[7_Sorrows]

Hmmm I’m thinking that this Catholic is a triumphalist.

Annie

I don’t believe it was a Catholic who first used this word in their post.
I don’t think it was meant in a positive way. I don’t have the time now to go back and search the posts.

 

[PRmerger]

Would you define “triumphalism” please?

Annie

I can’t answer for what the original poster meant when he used it, but I can tell you how I understand him to mean it: triumphalism = being more concerned about saying, “Gotcha!” rather than with the Truth.

And if anyone here subscribes to that model, then he ought to remove himself from posting here as a Catholic.

I haven’t seen behavior that in any poster here, however.

What I do sense is someone being told that he is mistaken, and rather than receiving this correction with humility and gratefulness, he accuses the bearer of truth as being, well, a triumphalist.

IMHO: That would be like, hypothetically speaking, the Corinthians reacting to St. Paul’s admonitions by calling St. Paul a triumphalist.

 

[JonNC]

Would you define “triumphalism” please?

Annie

From Merriam-Webster

an attitude or feeling of victory or superiority: as
a : the attitude that one religious creed is superior to all others

Pope Francis on triumphalism:

Pope Francis said “a great temptation” that lurks in the Christian life is triumphalism. “It is a temptation that even the Apostles had,” he said. Peter had it when he solemnly assured that he would not deny Jesus. The people also experienced it after the multiplication of the loaves.
“Triumphalism,” the Pope asserted, “is not of the Lord. The Lord came to Earth humbly; he lived his life for 30 years; he grew up like a normal child; he experienced the trial of work and the trial of the Cross. Then, in the end, he resurrected.”
“The Lord teaches that in life not everything is magical, that triumphalism is not Christian,” the Pope said. The life of the Christian consists of a normality that is lived daily with Christ.
“This is the grace for which we must ask: perseverance. Perseverance in our walk with the Lord, everyday, until the end,” he stated.
“That the Lord may save us from fantasies of triumphalism,” he concluded. “Triumphalism is not Christian, it is not of the Lord. The daily journey in the presence of God, this is the way of the Lord.”

news.va/en/news/pope-francis-triumphalism-is-a-temptation-of-chris

Jon

 

[Peter_J]

I don’t believe it was a Catholic who first used this word in their post.
I don’t think it was meant in a positive way. I don’t have the time now to go back and search the posts.

Here:

Wear blinders so that your focus is on the holy Father and avoid those motived by triumphalism since even saintly Francis has only so much patience.

(It actually wasn’t very hard to find. )

As I said before (though not entirely seriously) EvangelCatholic has been an ultramontanist.

 

[7_Sorrows]

Here:

(It actually wasn’t very hard to find. )

As I said before (though not entirely seriously) EvangelCatholic has been an ultramontanist.

:tiphat: Thank you for your research Peter J.
I thought that was the poster, but did not want to attribute the use of the word to the wrong person.

 

[KjetilK]

Can you identify these clergy? I especially like the first photo.

I don’t know who the first one is, but I know several of the people in the second photo. The first one is subdeacon (and sacristan) Anders Beda Hjortaas (who is also an organ builder, by the way). The second one is Father Tore Andreas Andersen (the vicar of the Nordic Catholic Church’s parish in Sarpsborg and Fredrikstad in Norway). The third one is Father Lauritz Elias Pettersen (prist in the Nordic Catholic Church’s parish in Sarpsborg and Fredrikstad in Norway). The fourth one is again Father Asle Ambrosius Dingstad (the vicar and Dean of the Nordic Catholic Church’s parish in Oslo).

 

[EvangelCatholic]

I don’t know who the first one is, but I know several of the people in the second photo. The first one is subdeacon (and sacristan) Anders Beda Hjortaas (who is also an organ builder, by the way). The second one is Father Tore Andreas Andersen (the vicar of the Nordic Catholic Church’s parish in Sarpsborg and Fredrikstad in Norway). The third one is Father Lauritz Elias Pettersen (prist in the Nordic Catholic Church’s parish in Sarpsborg and Fredrikstad in Norway). The fourth one is again Father Asle Ambrosius Dingstad (the vicar and Dean of the Nordic Catholic Church’s parish in Oslo).

Thank you.

Since Nordic Catholics follow Lutheran Confessions, is “the” issue with the Church of Norway and Sweden female ordination and gay marriage?

 

[7_Sorrows]

Are there lots of lutherans in norway, sweden and denmark?

Are they like a majority? Are most lutherans in europe in germany?

 

[KjetilK]

Are there lots of lutherans in norway, sweden and denmark?

Are they like a majority?

The Church of Norway has around 80% of the population as members. So yes, it is a majority. I’m not entirely sure about Denmark.

Are most lutherans in europe in germany?

Well, that depends. The Evangelical Church of Germany (EKD, Evangelische Kirche in Deutschland) is a bit different, as it is a mixture of Lutheran and Reformed (dating back to the years after the Reformation in Germany). I’m not sure about the demography, but I know that in Germany, there are differences from region to region. In Bavaria (Bayern), for instance, the Roman Catholic Church is bigger (except, I think, in Augsburg), while other parts of Germany are Lutheran.

 

[KjetilK]

Thank you.

Since Nordic Catholics follow Lutheran Confessions, is “the” issue with the Church of Norway and Sweden female ordination and gay marriage?

That is part of it, but not ev everyone in the Nordic Catholic Church has their background in the Churches of Norway and Sweden. Some have their background in Charismatic circles, including one of the Vicars, and some even has even been Roman Catholics at one point (mostly in Sweden, IIRC).