Why Do Mormons Use Kjv Of The Bible

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falisrm said:
We didn’t have a bible published by the LDS church. It was just published by some company. We handed them out whenever people asked but it was very few times that ever happened. The level of interest in the scriptures was very small at least in my experience.
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I believe you! I doubt if you have read much of the Bible. I think some Mormons have, but you probably just read BOM.🙂
 
falisrm said:
Ya, i’m actually waiting for them to translate it. Why are they so bloody slow?

codex-sinaiticus.net/en/

And i’m talking about churches that choose to translate the bible. It’s always their projects to translate it, not some government agency or University.

The whole concept is a joke. I understand translating the bible into other languages or people to read but to rewrite it, it makes no sense at all. What if Paul was trying to explain a specific principle and used a word that made no sense like parables often do. Then a scholar translates that word and the entire meaning is completely changed or gone?
It happened so much already.
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falis, I’m trying to understand your argument, and I get parts of it, but other parts seem like nonsense. What you seem to be saying is that because it is impossible to translate from one language to another perfectly (which is true) and retain all the meaning (true) that we shouldn’t try to get better at it. If that’ sthe case, you should learn Greek and Hebrew really well because otherwise, according to you, you can’t understand the Bible at all.
 
Your right, i took about 4 years off from reading any scriptures. The Old Testament had very little spiritual value to it. Well, it did but it was very far in in between. Those lessons are cool though cause they are so old.

I only read the new Testament like 7 times in my life. I just finished it last month even though i’m working and going to school full time. This time i marked every single reference about the godhead. It’s pretty bad news for Catholics.
 
falisrm said:
I think its a joke how there are thousands of versions of the bible. Its the dumbest thing i have ever seen and your telling me its a good idea to add another one to the pile. Religious people are so dumb, it drives me insane. I was saying the modern translations are not perfect and they actually suck. I dont care what technology you use to translate them. The spiritual meanings and principles and doctrines aren’t conveyed as well. Every single verse i read i think. “Gosh, some moron things he’s smart and translated the bible for the thousanth’s time.”

I would rather put my trust in earlier translaters than some guy in a lab that think’s he’s doing everyone a service by translating the bible for the millionth time.
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What are stressing over then? Keep to your KJV, no one says you have to change. Someone once told me the best Bible to use is the one you will read! So, if the KJV is what you’ll read, then use it.
 
falisrm said:
Your right, i took about 4 years off from reading any scriptures. The Old Testament had very little spiritual value to it. Well, it did but it was very far in in between. Those lessons are cool though cause they are so old.

I only read the new Testament like 7 times in my life. I just finished it last month even though i’m working and going to school full time. This time i marked every single reference about the godhead. It’s pretty bad news for Catholics.
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No spiritual value in the Psalms? Job? Unbelievable!!!:eek:
 
What i’m saying is the entire concept to translate the bible over and over again is just plain stupid. Especially for a spiritual book that’s supposed to teach principles and doctrines. So you end up with hundreds of different bible and they teach hundreds of different principles and doctrines. So now what do we do? compare them all at the same time as we read it? Its downright stupidity.
 
falisrm said:
What i’m saying is the entire concept to translate the bible over and over again is just plain stupid. Especially for a spiritual book that’s supposed to teach principles and doctrines. So you end up with hundreds of different bible and they teach hundreds of different principles and doctrines. So now what do we do? compare them all at the same time as we read it? Its downright stupidity.
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falis,

Since we don’t have the original documents, and we discover older textual witnesses all of the time, it is proper and right that we have new and better translations. That’s the thing, many get better with time, based on more recent scholarship and better, ancient textual witnesses. That means meaning which is closer to what the authors intended. What is downright stupidity is to stubbornly cling to a bad translation (the KJV) because you are confused as to why there are newer translations at all.
 
Gee, wouldn’t it be great if there was a way God can teach you those principles and doctrines again other then using the writings of the prophets and apostles?
 
falisrm said:
What i’m saying is the entire concept to translate the bible over and over again is just plain stupid. Especially for a spiritual book that’s supposed to teach principles and doctrines. So you end up with hundreds of different bible and they teach hundreds of different principles and doctrines. So now what do we do? compare them all at the same time as we read it? Its downright stupidity.
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Actually, I have 16 different versions of the Bible and find little difference in them, even though I prefer the Douay-Rheims over them all (I really don’t care for the modern day translations myself). Usually disagreements are based on interpretations, with the exception of the Jehovah Witness Bible which is a creation they came up with seemingly to fit their belief.
 
falisrm said:
Gee, wouldn’t it be great if there was a way God can teach you those principles and doctrines again other then using the writings of the prophets and apostles?
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Catholics call that tradition, still taught in the Church. 😉
 
falisrm said:
Gee, wouldn’t it be great if there was a way God can teach you those principles and doctrines again other then using the writings of the prophets and apostles?
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falis,

What does that have to do with getting a more accurate translation of the Bible? I’m sorry but I don’t accept the notion that translation is a magical process by which a prophet who knows little about ancient languages receives ‘impressions’ on what to write. That’s indistinguishable from the translation process known as ‘making stuff up’. I also don’t accept the notion of giving up on figuring out the BIble myself and just deciding to go with what some self proclaimed ‘apostles and prophets’ have to say, when I have no reason to think they are any more inspired than my mailman. Nope, sorry, that’s no replacement for doing your homework.
 
No, tradition still comes from interpreting the doctrines and principles of the bible according to the knowledge of the priests and leaders of the Catholic church.
 
falisrm said:
No, tradition still comes from interpreting the doctrines and principles of the bible according to the knowledge of the priests and leaders of the Catholic church.
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I’m sure an actual Catholic has more to say about that, but I don’t see how that statement relates to what we’ve been discussing.
 
I wasn’t refering the people who re translated the bible according to their own impressions or what they thought.

I’m talking about if god actually explained these principles and doctrines to us directly.
 
falisrm said:
No, tradition still comes from interpreting the doctrines and principles of the bible according to the knowledge of the priests and leaders of the Catholic church.
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Christ created the Church. The Church and the faith existed before the Bible. The Church gave us the Bible. For the first two or three centuries everything was taught through tradition which has been passed on through the ages.
 
falisrm said:
I wasn’t refering the people who re translated the bible according to their own impressions or what they thought.

I’m talking about if god actually explained these principles and doctrines to us directly.
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falis,

Unless we have a firm grasp on what the original meaning was, any impressions we think we get from God are superficial and misleading.
 
like i said, having 16 different bibles is the silliest thing in the world. I can imagine sitting there and reading from 16 different books all trying to teach the same thing. Except they probably don’t teach the same thing. They probably teach different things.

If that’s what religion has come to, its a joke.
 
falisrm said:
like i said, having 16 different bibles is the silliest thing in the world. I can imagine sitting there and reading from 16 different books all trying to teach the same thing. Except they probably don’t teach the same thing. They probably teach different things.

If that’s what religion has come to, its a joke.
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How do you know? It’s obvious you’ve never tried to figure it out. If you really cared and were concerned about it you’d be learning the languages. But you don’t, so why are you complaining?
 
falisrm said:
like i said, having 16 different bibles is the silliest thing in the world. I can imagine sitting there and reading from 16 different books all trying to teach the same thing. Except they probably don’t teach the same thing. They probably teach different things.

If that’s what religion has come to, its a joke.
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They’re all in e-sword. It’s easier than you think. You make a selection and hit compare and they all appear on the screen at once. You would be surprised how they say the same thing, admittedly using different terminology but still saying the same thing. It’s in interpretations that most arguments arise.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Actually, I have 16 different versions of the Bible and find little difference in them, even though I prefer the Douay-Rheims over them all (I really don’t care for the modern day translations myself). Usually disagreements are based on interpretations, with the exception of the Jehovah Witness Bible which is a creation they came up with seemingly to fit their belief.
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I totally agree. There is very little difference between the content of the Bibles. A few weird word translations, but the spiritual content is very similar. Some Bibles are easier to read than others. Personally, I enjoy King James because it’s a lot like reading Shakespeare, but it’s much easier to read NIV or something else in modern English.

But whatever Bible you choose to read - READ IT. Because is is full of truth and history and poetry and wisdom. Unless you read it, you will never know how great the Bible is.
 
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