Why Do Mormons Use Kjv Of The Bible

[RedSoxFan]

No they don’t. They re write the pinciples of math, the structure of explaining laws. They update the methods of medical treatment and publish new findings.

This is the bloody bible your talking about. Its the same words, over and over again that have been written over and over again.

please don’t say “bloody” when talking about the bible.

 

[falisrm]

I say, it takes away from the meaning of the origional communication. The apostles and Christ were trying to convey messages, not interpret meanings. They said what ever words they had to say to get the actual message across. Modernizing the language takes away part of that meaning. Mostly because it’s subject to interpretation from the scholar that is re writing it.

That’s why there are so many metaphors and parables in the scriptures. Don’t you people see that the apostles used words to convey messages, to bring messages into the hearts and minds of the people, not texts that explain things. No scholarly professor can do as good a job as the apostles taught it.

 

[RedSoxFan]

I say, it takes away from the meaning of the origional communication. The apostles and Christ was trying to convey messages, not interpret meanings. They did what ever they had to do to get the actual message across. Modernizing the language takes away part of that meaning. Mostly because it’s subject to interpretation from the scholar that is re writing it.

Yeah but 2,000 years after the fact and a bible written 1611 years after the fact it must be pretty watered down by now with your logic.

Besides if a person doesn’t understand what is being said a “watered down” message is better than no message at all.

 

[falisrm]

Duh, and all you people are trying to water it down even more with additional volumes. Its driving me isane because your logic makes no sense at all.

 

[RedSoxFan]

Duh, and all you people are trying to water it down even more with additional volumes. Its driving me isane because your logic makes no sense at all.

LOL, So in a few hundred years will God find it necessary to give another private revelation to be recorded in a new sacred text to solve this conundrum?

 

[falisrm]

Well, in the majority, you can find or learn principles of the bible all over the place, not only in the written scriptures. Like the principle of Charity. It happens every single day of peoples lives. promoting and teaching that principle has always existed and will always exist no matter what. That principle comes from God and Paul (i think in hebrews) was the one trying to convey that principle to us by using whatever words he knew at the time.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Duh, and all you people are trying to water it down even more with additional volumes. Its driving me isane because your logic makes no sense at all.

Ok stop a minute. Quit trying to reject anything said and think.

Christ created the Church and taught His teachings through oral tradition.

The Apostles led the Church and continued teaching through oral tradition and letters.

The Church and the faith existed before the Bible.

The Church defined the canon of the Bible, and I assure you they compared writings against traditions. The canon was established around 393.

The Council of Hippo, a local north Africa council of bishops created the list of the Old and New Testament books in 393 which is the same as the Roman Catholic list today.

The Council of Carthage, a local north Africa council of bishops created the same list of canonical books in 397. This is the council which many Protestant and Evangelical Christians take as the authority for the New Testament canon of books. The Old Testament canon from the same council is identical to Roman Catholic canon today. Another Council of Carthage in 419 offered the same list of canonical books.

The Church gave us the Bible and has been studying it since the Apostles authored it. You cannot discount 2000 years of studying and you cannot compare one or two readings on your own to what the Church has to offer through it’s interpretations and traditions.

 

[falisrm]

You can use what ever traditions and customs you want. You have every right to do so. But don’t sit there and try to tell me that we need to publish a new bible every year and the best way to study the bible is to use 14 bibles and compare them every single time just to learn a doctrine.

 

[RedSoxFan]

Well, in the majority, you can find or learn principles of the bible all over the place, not only in the written scriptures. Like the principle of Charity. It happens every single day of peoples lives. promoting and teaching that principle has always existed and will always exist no matter what. That principle comes from God and Paul (i think in hebrews) was the one trying to convey that principle to us by using whatever words he knew at the time.

So why be religious at all then? Even Atheists can know Charity.

 

[tommiatkins]

What i’m saying Red Fox is the concept of creating bibles from old translations every year and publishing them is one of the dumbest things i have ever seen in my life and it has no common sense to it at all.

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Ok So we keep the current versions or just the oldest one we find? And forever? Lets call it the Bible (Koran version) .

How on earth is god ever supposed to progress and keep up with humanity’s changing moral values if we stay stuck at one point in time? Thats the mistake Islam made, it is jammed in 623 AD and cant shift.

New Bible versions will evolve and change untill “a man that lieth with another man is an abomination unto the lord” evolves to “A human that has intercourse with one of the same gender is not in the predominant trait of sexuality and is valued equally by the Lord” ending with “all peoples sexuality is acceptable in the eyes of the lord and he will smote with a mighty smoting the homophobic, for they are abominations”

 

[falisrm]

The catholic church has the greatest resources to preserve the messages in the bible. I think you all need to do more to preserve it rather than rewrite it every year.

St John taught that principle the best in Revelations.
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book

I have school to go to. See you on Monday.

 

[RedSoxFan]

You can use what ever traditions and customs you want. You have every right to do so. But don’t sit there and try to tell me that we need to publish a new bible every year and the best way to study the bible is to use 14 bibles and compare them every single time just to learn a doctrine.

I am capitalist. I wouldn’t worry too much about 14 copies per year. The ****** versions will be forgotten and undersold. The good copies that are made with quality will rise to the top and the poor quality bibles will settle into obscurity.

 

[falisrm]

Including, the origional meanings. Another 100 years, you’ll have a completely different bible.

Good Job Red Fox.

Don;t get me wrong Red Fox. I’m a huge Capitalist myself and understand capitalism very well. What your basically saying is which ever bible is the most popular at the time is the most correct because it sells the most. I don’t think that’s very good thing to follow with the bible.

 

[RedSoxFan]

The catholic church has the greatest resources to preserve the messages in the bible. I think you all need to do more to preserve it rather than rewrite it every year.

St John taught that principle the best in Revelations.
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book

I have school to go to. See you on Monday.

We’re suppose to preach the Gospel. We have to make sure people understand it. If that means more bible translations, then I say “Amen!”

I think St. John was talking about major changes that change the meaning of the Apocalypse. Not changes in translation to make it understandable to all the people of the world. Have a good school day!

 

[CHRISTINE77]

Ok So we keep the current versions or just the oldest one we find? And forever? Lets call it the Bible (Koran version) .

How on earth is god ever supposed to progress and keep up with humanity’s changing moral values if we stay stuck at one point in time? Thats the mistake Islam made, it is jammed in 623 AD and cant shift.

New Bible versions will evolve and change untill “a man that lieth with another man is an abomination unto the lord” evolves to “A human that has intercourse with one of the same gender is not in the predominant trait of sexuality and is valued equally by the Lord” ending with “all peoples sexuality is acceptable in the eyes of the lord and he will smote with a mighty smoting the homophobic, for they are abominations”

what are you talking about???

 

[RedSoxFan]

Including, the origional meanings. Another 100 years, you’ll have a completely different bible.

Good Job Red Fox.

No way. The Church safeguards against that! As she always had since the age of the Apostles.

Now say a new text that people claimed to be scripture was to say appear 1800+ years after Christ, then yes I would be worried about losing the original meaning of the Gospel.

 

[falisrm]

Don;t get me wrong Red Fox. I’m a huge Capitalist myself and understand capitalism very well. What your basically saying is which ever bible is the most popular at the time is the most correct because it sells the most. I don’t think that’s very good thing to do with the bible.

 

[CHRISTINE77]

Including, the origional meanings. Another 100 years, you’ll have a completely different bible.

Good Job Red Fox.

they are not changing the meaning in the translation. FYI, KJV is a copy of a lot of previous English translated Bibles, with a lot of influence from the German Luthern Bible.

Before the Reformation, all Bibles were in Latin. Then people began translating Bibles into their own languages so that everyone could read the Bible in their own language.

This doesn’t mean the content of the Bible changed. Some wording may have changed but not the content, except for the rejection of the Apocrypha in 1880 by the Protestents. The KJV that Joseph Smith read had the Apocrypha in it. Today’s KJV does not.

 

[falisrm]

So what do you think John ment when he wrote it? Did he say, oh, re publish my words every year after different scholars re translate it. (wouldn’t scholars get sick of translating the same exact thing over and over again, what a ****** job)

Or did John teach a principle no one is following very well, which is preserve the words he wrote.

This is starting to drive me insane. Any 5 year old understands these principles and no one is agreeing with me. So the only thing i have with me is a normal 5 year old and some extra common sense.

 

[RedSoxFan]

Don;t get me wrong Red Fox. I’m a huge Capitalist myself and understand capitalism very well. What your basically saying is which ever bible is the most popular at the time is the most correct because it sells the most. I don’t think that’s very good thing to do with the bible.

Eh, yes and no. Capitalism would get rid of bible versions that were complete ****. The ones that sell the most like the NIV might be a bit corrupt as compared to one that is not so much like the RSV-CE, but they will both be readily available because most people value freedom of choice.