Why do most Non-Catholic Christians always claim that the Catholic Church makes error

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peary said:
’Believing’ in the Real Presence and having it in reality are two different things.
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I believe that this is the claim to fame of the Catholic church and of course not that I agree with it.
 
AllSaints1631 said:
I believe that this is the claim to fame of the Catholic church and of course not that I agree with it.
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It is irrelevent as to whether or not you ‘agree’ with it. What you personally ‘believe’ has little and no bearing on the truth of the Eucharist. You can believe in goat’s milk for all I care. LOL
 
AllSaints1631 said:
I believe that this is the claim to fame of the Catholic church and of course not that I agree with it.
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Belief of the Real Presence is not only found in Catholicism, but in our Eastern Orthodox brothers and sisters.
 
peary said:
It is irrelevent as to whether or not you ‘agree’ with it. What you personally ‘believe’ has little and no bearing on the truth of the Eucharist. You can believe in goat’s milk for all I care. LOL
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spoken like a true Christian.
 
AllSaints1631 said:
so?
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Both EO and Catholic Church have their history trace to the Apostle. Real Presence is very much a part of Christianity since the beginning start with the Breaking of the Bread at the Last Supper, and the Jesus bread Discourse.
 
Mannyfit75 said:
Both EO and Catholic Church have their history trace to the Apostle. Real Presence is very much a part of Christianity since the beginning start with the Breaking of the Bread at the Last Supper, and the Jesus bread Discourse.
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Respectfully, how many times must you explain this? Are you really that convinced that I do not understand my church teaching on Real Presence, Transubstantiation and Apostolic Succession?
 
SyCarl said:
I think the obvious reason is because we think that the Catholic Church is in error on certain things. That does not justify anti-Catholicism, but neither does it mean that we should express agreement where there is none. The same question could be asked with respect to why Catholics tell Protestants they are in error, and the answer would probably be the same.

While Catholics would disagree that the Catholic Church is capable of error, it is my firm belief that every church is imperfect in some way.
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That is IMHO the most sensible post on this thread so far 🙂​

Why can’t Catholics take their own medicine ? Claiming infallibility looks very like a “symptom of insecurity”; maybe Protestantism does not feel quite so strong a need to prove the truth of every last claim it makes (unlike Catholicism, which is obsessed both with & with certainty of its certainty). The inability of one lot of Christians to see themselves through the eyes of Christians who have different (& equally rational) beliefs, never ceases to be astonishing. But maybe we all deserve one another 😦

It might help if Catholics could admit that they are liable to misrepresent the beliefs of Protestants,as Protestants are liable to misrepresent those of Catholics. The way Catholics constantly play the poor persecuted innocent martyr card is sickening 😦 Catholicism is far happier kicking the stuffing out of its “enemies” than in treating them fairly or Christianly - it is definitely “human, all too human”: which is why its insistence on its own marvellousness is so unconvincing.

If Catholicism were less obsessed with proving to other Chruistians both how marvellous it is, & how - unlike it - “defective” they are; if it it didn’t hide behind finicking details to show that technically it is always in the right even when it is deep in the wrong; if it were more concerned with Christianity & less with Catholicism; it might make a more favourable & more convincing impression on Protestants. But throwing its weight, its human authority, & other equally irrelevant things around, is not going to impress anybody - because that is how political parties & ideologies (& the like) behave. 😦 Far from being better than all other religions, it is arguably worse than they.
 
Mannyfit75 said:
For one thing Christians who hold Protestant Tradition dating back to the 1500s departed from the truth. Historically speaking, only two Churches date back to the Apostles, Catholic Church and Eastern Orthodox Church. However, Eastern Orthodox itself is divided and cannot bring itself to full conscious on certain moral issues such as contraception.
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The argument of the Orthodox being divided is not correct. I would direct you to plenty of threads on this topic, but they have been deleted. If your argument for Catholicism being the true faith is based on this, then I’m afraid you’ll need more…I also believe you’ll find many more Catholics using contraception than Orthodox, but that is just my opinion…🤷

Prayers and petitions,
Alexius:cool:
 
I just began reading this thread. I returned after being away 40 years. A long story I have told to others. In John 6 Our Lord describes Himself being the bread from heaven and that He speaks of the spirit and not of the flesh. Then we read in the last supper and Paul’s writing about this subject. Also Jesus breathed on the apostles before He ascended into heaven. He did this after His resurrection which I find very significant. In His glorified state He seems to give them something of the spirit of His Being which they then pass on to others. The spirit changes them internally yet externally they look the same. Their passing of this spirit of Christ on to others is through their actions that have a specific intent to be accomplished in each particular experience. When they ordain others into the priesthood it seems that the specific purpose is to give them the gift to bring Christ into the communion of the bread which looks the same but because of Christ’s words He enters and the bread becomes the Bread of Life in Him. The idea of the word made flesh takes on a new meaning in the eucharist. This seems to then tie into the idea of having the faith of a mustardseed. The seed contains the essence of what it becomes but as yet is unseen. In Ephesians 4 Paul talks about God being through all and in all. In the Gospel chapter about the road to Emmaus the apostles do not recognize Jesus until He gives the blessing of the bread. Before that they only recognized that He was full of the spirit of the word of God. Then when Jesus gives the blessing of the bread they see Him more clearly. This is off the top of my head at this point. I love the depth of the mystery of our faith. God bless your passion for God’s truth.
 
“Winning” an argument, and turning away a soul is, at best, a dubious win.
 
My question would be “Why do non-catholics not see what catholics see in the sacraments?” I use the word see because it involved for me seeing in the spiritual sense what I could not see when I left the catholic church at 18 years of age. I returned at age 58 when I “saw”. It was only through the gift of grace that I was able to “see” beyond the flesh that prevented me from “seeing” when I was young and did not want any authority telling me what to believe.
 
Mannyfit75 said:
For once I want to them to be open minded and understand our faith rather than attack us.
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I just don’t think its possible on a group-by-group basis. Jesus said so himself. These difficulties can only be overcome with one-on-one witnessing.

However, if you look at the hatred the CC has endured, its very hard to deny that every new group wants to be the big dog. But there’s only one.
  • Islam
  • Orthodoxy
  • Protestantism and Anglicanism
  • Mormonism
  • Secularism
    They all take shots at the CC. They all agree that the CC has lost its way, but that’s all they can agree on.
I will not be surprised to see some of the more hostile Protestants side with Islam as Islam continues their attacks on the Church.

Its a fact that Islamic extremists have Rome in its crosshairs.
 
It would seem that they must. If they did not believe that the Catholic Church has errors, they would be obliged to become Catholics.
 
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