Why do Muslims Accept Muhammad as prophet?

[ralphinal]

Thank you dear Muslim posters for yet again calling Jesus Christ a lier and a false teacher. Jesus said that we would worship in Spirit and Truth (no talk of body position or location). In fact, he said that to point out that one day, the Temple would no longer matter. Jesus said to pray as he does: Our Father, who art in heaven…

Thank you. I am glad to see that JEsus is still a lier in your book. He lied about being the Son of God, he lied about having to be crucified, about being crucified, about dying, about rising again, and about how to properly pray.

Please do not make yourselves liers by now saying how you love the prophet Jesus and that you never said he was a lier.

 

[hamba2han]

I would like to conclude my thoughts on why Christians need to prostrate when they pray (at least on this thread) by quoting the translation of the following verses of the Qur’an:

"(Remember!) The Day when the shin shall be laid bare, and they shall be summoned (or shall be called) to prostrate (to Allah), but they shall not be able to do so. There eyes will be cast down, ignominy (or humiliation) will cover them; they used to be called to prostrate (offer prayer in life of the world), while they were in full strength and power (and had refused)." … surat Al-Qalam, (verses 42 and 43)

You see, these verses are stating that on the Day of Judgment when all the creations will stand before their Creator, only those of His creations who regularly prostrated when they prayed to Him while they were still in this world would be allowed to prostrate to their Lord on Judgment Day.

For those who did not want to prostrate during their life in this world (and this will include all of the nominal Muslims who did not care much about performing their 5 daily prayers), they will not be able to prostrate to their Lord on that Day, no matter how badly they may want to do so then because they will no longer be in control over their bodies on Judgment Day.

And so, for everyone who truly WANTS to prostrate to their Creator and Sustainer, it is absolutely imperative that you do it regularly in your prayers while you still have life in your body and you still have the CHOICE to prostrate to the Lord because once you leave this world, then you will NOT be able to do so on the Day of Judgment unless the Lord allows you to prostrate to Him when you stand before Him on that Day.

 

[Jay53]

I would like to conclude my thoughts on why Christians need to prostrate when they pray (at least on this thread) by quoting the translation of the following verses of the Qur’an:

"(Remember!) The Day when the shin shall be laid bare, and they shall be summoned (or shall be called) to prostrate (to Allah), but they shall not be able to do so. There eyes will be cast down, ignominy (or humiliation) will cover them; they used to be called to prostrate (offer prayer in life of the world), while they were in full strength and power (and had refused)." … surat Al-Qalam, (verses 42 and 43)

You see, these verses are stating that on the Day of Judgment when all the creations will stand before their Creator, only those of His creations who regularly prostrated when they prayed to Him while they were still in this world would be allowed to prostrate to their Lord on Judgment Day.

For those who did not want to prostrate during their life in this world (and this will include all of the nominal Muslims who did not care much about performing their 5 daily prayers), they will not be able to prostrate to their Lord on that Day, no matter how badly they may want to do so then because they will no longer be in control over their bodies on Judgment Day.

And so, for everyone who truly WANTS to prostrate to their Creator and Sustainer, it is absolutely imperative that you do it regularly in your prayers while you still have life in your body and you still have the CHOICE to prostrate to the Lord because once you leave this world, then you will NOT be able to do so on the Day of Judgment unless the Lord allows you to prostrate to Him when you stand before Him on that Day.

Do you actually think that someone who prostrates in prayer, but in his heart hates Christians (or anyone for that matter) will be seen as more acceptable to God than someone who may have simply kneeled in prayer, but followed God’s commandments, particularly to love God with all his mind, heart, soul and strength and to love his neighbor as himself?

21"Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ Matthew 7:21-23

I would also like you to show me the verses (not from the Quran which I don’t believe is from God) where God says that only prayers said while prostrating are acceptable to Him.

 

[Jay53]

hamba,
Is this your answer to the thread topic then as to why you accept Muhammad as a prophet - because he prostrated himself in prayer? That’s your only criteria for someone to be considered a prophet from God?

 

[hamba2han]

Do you actually think that someone who prostrates in prayer, but in his heart hates Christians (or anyone for that matter) will be seen as more acceptable to God than someone who may have simply kneeled in prayer, but followed God’s commandments, particularly to love God with all his mind, heart, soul and strength and to love his neighbor as himself?

I would also like you to show me the verses (not from the Quran which I don’t believe is from God) where God says that only prayers said while prostrating are acceptable to Him.

Since it is so very clear that Jesus (pbuh) regularly prostrated when he performed his prayers, (kindly refer to my earlier post), then why do Christians think that prostration to the Lord is NOT an important part of prayer?

Is this your answer to the thread topic then as to why you accept Muhammad as a prophet - because he prostrated himself in prayer? That’s your only criteria for someone to be considered a prophet from God?

Since I have already concluded my thoughts on the subject of prostration in prayer on this thread, I think that I can now elaborate on other things which make Muslims accept the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

 

[Jay53]

Since it is so very clear that Jesus (pbuh) regularly prostrated when he performed his prayers, (kindly refer to my earlier post), then why do Christians think that prostration to the Lord is NOT an important part of prayer?

Because Jesus didn’t ALWAYS prostrate in prayer, nor did He say that this is what makes prayer acceptable. I honestly don’t understand why you don’t see that. You didn’t even answer my other question:

Do you actually think that someone who prostrates in prayer, but in his heart hates Christians (or anyone for that matter) will be seen as more acceptable to God than someone who may have simply kneeled in prayer, but followed God’s commandments, particularly to love God with all his mind, heart, soul and strength and to love his neighbor as himself?

 

[staffsgt7]

I would like to conclude my thoughts on why Christians need to prostrate when they pray (at least on this thread) by quoting the translation of the following verses of the Qur’an:

"(Remember!) The Day when the shin shall be laid bare, and they shall be summoned (or shall be called) to prostrate (to Allah), but they shall not be able to do so. There eyes will be cast down, ignominy (or humiliation) will cover them; they used to be called to prostrate (offer prayer in life of the world), while they were in full strength and power (and had refused)." … surat Al-Qalam, (verses 42 and 43)

You see, these verses are stating that on the Day of Judgment when all the creations will stand before their Creator, only those of His creations who regularly prostrated when they prayed to Him while they were still in this world would be allowed to prostrate to their Lord on Judgment Day.

For those who did not want to prostrate during their life in this world (and this will include all of the nominal Muslims who did not care much about performing their 5 daily prayers), they will not be able to prostrate to their Lord on that Day, no matter how badly they may want to do so then because they will no longer be in control over their bodies on Judgment Day.

And so, for everyone who truly WANTS to prostrate to their Creator and Sustainer, it is absolutely imperative that you do it regularly in your prayers while you still have life in your body and you still have the CHOICE to prostrate to the Lord because once you leave this world, then you will NOT be able to do so on the Day of Judgment unless the Lord allows you to prostrate to Him when you stand before Him on that Day.

:yawn:

Talk about shirk.

I think the big test for you guys on your judgement Day would be that God comes out as a woman on a donkey and farts in front of you. What will you do then?

 

[hamba2han]

To everyone who have felt dissatisfied or dissapointed by the answers or perhaps the non-answers that I have given to their queries, all that I can say is that I do not know how to desribe the colour green to someone who has been blind since birth and I am unable to describe the sound of a chirping bird to someone who has been born deaf and I cannot describe the scent of roses to someone who has Kallmann’s Syndrome i.e. unable from birth to smell anything.

Therefore, you really do need to prostrate to the Lord when you pray to better understand why it brings you closer to the One whom you are prostrating to and hence why it makes it easy to accept the teacher who has taught you how to come closer to the One you worship.

 

[KathleenGee]

About prostrating before the Lord, I have had moments of praying so…but without anyone in the room. I find it most uncomfortable and most vulnerable as a woman to pray that way and have someone walk in from behind…

I also was seeing that form of prayer in an offensive manner as well…on Christmas Day at the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem, the Catholics came to attend Mass. Upon their arrival, the Muslims came from the mosque across the street. You could see the minaret in the picture. The Muslims left their place of worship, and on this very special and sacred day for Christians, crossed the street and came to kneel down on the Christian property. They did that gesture with their behinds in the air at the door of the church, and in that context, it looked nasty.

How many times do you see Christians going over to a mosque to pray their form on another’s property and style of prayer and worship??? They would be killed.

The gesture is OK, priests oblate themselves, sisters do in convents, but in public, we don’t pray that way.

 

[NoWings]

The gesture is OK, priests oblate themselves, sisters do in convents, but in public, we don’t pray that way.

Latin Rite, maybe. I’ve personally seen Coptics do this before they go to their pew. They do a full prostration in front of the altar.

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

Latin Rite, maybe. I’ve personally seen Coptics do this before they go to their pew. They do a full prostration in front of the altar.

Most Eastern Christians - and by that I mean even Churches outside of Orthodoxy - pray with prostrations. In fact, in addition to its use by Jews, that is probably where Mohammad got the practice in the first place, which might be why Hamba dismisses a large chunk of the Christian world as “an eastern sect.”

 

[NoWings]

Most Eastern Christians - and by that I mean even Churches outside of Orthodoxy - pray with prostrations. In fact, in addition to its use by Jews, that is probably where Mohammad got the practice in the first place, which might be why Hamba dismisses a large chunk of the Christian world as “an eastern sect.”

He probably shouldn’t. If I recall in the thread, someone mentioned the Ethiopian Orthodox and their habit of prostrations. I’m fairly certain they were doing it at the time the Muslims migrated to Abyssinia.

 

[kempo1]

i dont know how many catholics on this thread read the op’s link which lead to another link under Catholic vs islam but it is pretty bad stuff. I tell ya it really heated me up because it basically says that Catholocism invented islam and is responsible for it and all kind of trash this guy should be banned forever with the filth he has tried to spew out on hereit has a link to biblebelievers.org/moongods which lead to a link to Catholic and islam at bottom of page

 

[kempo1]

really get tired of these kind of tactics from noncatholics its pure cowardice by the way what religion is the op?

 

[Nine_Two]

To everyone who have felt dissatisfied or dissapointed by the answers or perhaps the non-answers that I have given to their queries, all that I can say is that I do not know how to desribe the colour green to someone who has been blind since birth and I am unable to describe the sound of a chirping bird to someone who has been born deaf and I cannot describe the scent of roses to someone who has Kallmann’s Syndrome i.e. unable from birth to smell anything.

Therefore, you really do need to prostrate to the Lord when you pray to better understand why it brings you closer to the One whom you are prostrating to and hence why it makes it easy to accept the teacher who has taught you how to come closer to the One you worship.

So since you can’t describe the colour green to someone who has been “blind since birth” you tell them it’s the feeling of chocolate.

 

[Mosacked]

That’s weird, why has this thread been hi-jacked by the muslims as usual to talk about something that’s totally out of whack with the question?

What has prostration to do with acceptance of a man as prophet? And how could Jesus have prostrated Himself when He prayed on a fishing boat for the winds & storms to stop? How? How to prostrate when He was at the Jordan River with John the Baptist who MUST have baptised with prayer (try prostrating inside the river)??? The arguments put forth by many muslims are fraught with absurdities.

Most muslims have a terrible habit of making absurd and unqualified false accusations to get themselves through. When asked for evidence, they either stop, keep quiet or start talking about how they grew up. :b

Perhaps we should try talking to those who knows right hand from the left.

Have you fellas visited muslimsopenyoureyes.blogspot.com yet?

 

[hamba2han]

Just to clarify, there are two types of prayer in Islam.

The first would be the more formal salat i.e. the obligatory and also voluntary prayers which would involve prostration, kneeling and standing.

The second would be the supplication or dua which Muslims do all the time and just about anywhere where the situation would best require one to supplicate and this type of prayer normally does not necessitate either prostration or ablution.

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Since it is so clear that Prophet Jesus (pbuh) did both of these types of prayer, why are Christians limiting themselves to just the supplication type prayer where no prostration or ablution is required?

 

[ralphinal]

Just to clarify, there are two types of prayer in Islam.

The first would be the more formal salat i.e. the obligatory and also voluntary prayers which would involve prostration, kneeling and standing.

The second would be the supplication or dua which Muslims do all the time and just about anywhere where the situation would best require one to supplicate and this type of prayer normally does not necessitate either prostration or ablution.

http://www.iec-houston.org/images/7.jpg http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_hmk3XgGpW...B8/AuIAd_SY3TM/s320/supplication+in+Mecca.jpg

Since it is so clear that Prophet Jesus (pbuh) did both of these types of prayer, why are Christians limiting themselves to just the supplication type prayer where no prostration or ablution is required?

Jesus said to worship in Spirit and Truth. Not body position or facing a certain way.

Jesus said to pray to “Our Father”

Is Jesus right or wrong?

 

[hamba2han]

Jesus said to worship in Spirit and Truth. Not body position or facing a certain way.

Jesus said to pray to “Our Father”

Is Jesus right or wrong?

It is of course good to pray to the Lord, the One Creator and Sustainer of the Universe and all that exists within it.

It is however not so good to worship the Lord in a manner which is so obviously different to what Jesus (pbuh) taught and did throughout his ministry.

 

[ralphinal]

It is of course good to pray to the Lord, the One Creator and Sustainer of the Universe and all that exists within it.

It is however not so good to worship the Lord in a manner which is so obviously different to what Jesus (pbuh) taught and did throughout his ministry.

Hamba,
Jesus said to address your prayers to “Our Father, who art in heaven.” We do that.

Jesus said that we would worship God in Spirit and Truth. HE did not say that a certain body position was needed.

Now, do Muslims address prayers to GOd the Father? If not, why do they not obey Jesus?