Why do Muslims Accept Muhammad as prophet?

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jakasaki said:
Yes sir - sorry sir!!! I was clearing up hambas misconception on the Solom Temple

Won’t do it again SIR!!! 😛
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Stand down, soldier.

As did I. 😉
ralphinal said:
I still want to know if Muhammed and other Muslims pray to God as Father as Jesus taught
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I actually talked about this some time ago with some Muslims on the board. I asked that, if Christ’s use of the word “Father” with God was merely metaphorical or respectful, then why don’t Muslims refer to God as Father, or why didn’t Mohammad call God Father? They answered that it was a cultural thing, but, again, as you said, Jesus instructed us to call God our Father. It’s another case of playing pick-and-choose with scripture mixed with eisegesis and presupposition.
 
planten said:
Why do Muslims Accept Muhammad as prophet?
To address the topic in hand, I may refer to the Old testament, Deut 18:21-22 as follows:

** 18:21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?

18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.**

It is a good test for the truth of any prophet.
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Ok. And what did Mohammed predict?
 
Byzantine_Wolf said:
Stand down, soldier.

As did I. 😉

I actually talked about this some time ago with some Muslims on the board. I asked that, if Christ’s use of the word “Father” with God was merely metaphorical or respectful, then why don’t Muslims refer to God as Father, or why didn’t Mohammad call God Father? They answered that it was a cultural thing, but, again, as you said, Jesus instructed us to call God our Father. It’s another case of playing pick-and-choose with scripture mixed with eisegesis and presupposition.
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I’ve spoken to them about it since I started on here in 2006, too. Three years, no real answer. The best I got was they can if they do not mean it literally, but they cannot do so publicly.

I doubt that it was really cultural. It was about a shift from a Father/child relationship to a Master/Slave one.

You are right about it being a pick and choose thing
 
I’m curious if anyone knows anything about the alleged miracle that hamba posted.

Obviously miracles in themselves aren’t proof of prophethood, because there is still the not so small issue of Muhammad contradicting previous scriptures, and, if I remember correctly, Pharaoh was able to turn his staff into snakes. But, I would like to see any information about this supposed “miracle” of Muhammad.
 
Jay53 said:
I’m curious if anyone knows anything about the alleged miracle that hamba posted.

Obviously miracles in themselves aren’t proof of prophethood, because there is still the not so small issue of Muhammad contradicting previous scriptures, and, if I remember correctly, Pharaoh was able to turn his staff into snakes. But, I would like to see any information about this supposed “miracle” of Muhammad.
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It reminds me of a Jewish tradition that Elijah poured water from his fingers unto his shrine after the failure of the priests of Baal. I’m also curious as to where he got it, since he doesn’t give the source of his citation. I’m also slightly worried that Hamba quoted Wikipedia as a source.
 
Byzantine_Wolf said:
It reminds me of a Jewish tradition that Elijah poured water from his fingers unto his shrine after the failure of the priests of Baal. I’m also curious as to where he got it, since he doesn’t give the source of his citation. I’m also slightly worried that Hamba quoted Wikipedia as a source.
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I’m curious if you’ve ever heard similar accounts about miracles performed by Muhammed outside the Koran?
 
Nine_Two said:
I’m curious if you’ve ever heard similar accounts about miracles performed by Muhammed outside the Koran?
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The problem with that is most of them are found in hadith, and many times Muslims will disavow hadith sources when they’re embarrassing, but use them gleefully (from the same source) when they’re complimenting.

There is the famous miracle where Mohammad supposedly made the moon split in two - the question is, was this recorded anywhere else in the world? It would be a bit strange if no one noticed the moon splitting in two (not to mention the lunar ramifications).
 
Jay53 said:
I’m curious if anyone knows anything about the alleged miracle that hamba posted.

Obviously miracles in themselves aren’t proof of prophethood, because there is still the not so small issue of Muhammad contradicting previous scriptures, and, if I remember correctly, Pharaoh was able to turn his staff into snakes. But, I would like to see any information about this supposed “miracle” of Muhammad.
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Jay, the koran claims that mohamad cannot do/perform any miracles that he is just a messenger… etc… and yes, you do know that… !!😃

But there some hadiths such as:

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Volume 1, Book 4, Number 170:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
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saw Allah’s Apostle when the 'Asr prayer was due and the people searched for water to perform ablution but they could not find it. Later on (a pot full of) water for ablution was brought to Allah’s Apostle . He put his hand in that pot and ordered the people to perform ablution from it. I saw the water springing out from underneath his fingers till all of them performed the ablution (it was one of the miracles of the Prophet).
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Volume 1, Book 4, Number 194:
Narrated Anas:
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It was the time for prayer, and those whose houses were near got up and went to their people (to perform ablution), and there remained some people (sitting). Then a painted stove pot (Mikhdab) containing water was brought to Allah’s Apostles The pot was small, not broad enough for one to spread one’s hand in; yet all the people performed ablution. (The sub narrator said, “We asked Anas, ‘How many persons were you?’ Anas replied 'We were eighty or more”). (It was one of the miracles of Allah’s Apostle).
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jakasaki said:
Jay, the koran claims that mohamad cannot do/perform any miracles that he is just a messenger… etc… and yes, you do know that… !!😃

But there some hadiths such as:
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But for all this…we cannot believe that a man who denied the divinity of Christ was performing miracles associated with God
 
Here is a hadeeth describing yet another miracle of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh):

**Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 13, Number 55:

Narrated Anas bin Malik:**

Once in the lifetime of the Prophet (p.b.u.h) the people were afflicted with drought (famine). While the Prophet was delivering the Khutba on a Friday, a Bedouin stood up and said, “O, Allah’s Apostle! Our possessions are being destroyed and the children are hungry; Please invoke Allah (for rain)”. So the Prophet raised his hands. At that time there was not a trace of cloud in the sky. By Him in Whose Hands my soul is as soon as he lowered his hands, clouds gathered like mountains, and before he got down from the pulpit, I saw the rain falling on the beard of the Prophet. It rained that day, the next day, the third day, the fourth day till the next Friday. The same Bedouin or another man stood up and said, “O Allah’s Apostle! The houses have collapsed, our possessions and livestock have been drowned; Please invoke Allah (to protect us)”. So the Prophet I raised both his hands and said, “O Allah! Round about us and not on us”. So, in whatever direction he pointed with his hands, the clouds dispersed and cleared away, and Medina’s (sky) became clear as a hole in between the clouds. The valley of Qanat remained flooded, for one month, none came from outside but talked about the abundant rain.
 
hamba2han said:
Here is a hadeeth describing yet another miracle of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh):

**Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 13, Number 55:

Narrated Anas bin Malik:**

Once in the lifetime of the Prophet (p.b.u.h) the people were afflicted with drought (famine). While the Prophet was delivering the Khutba on a Friday, a Bedouin stood up and said, “O, Allah’s Apostle! Our possessions are being destroyed and the children are hungry; Please invoke Allah (for rain)”. So the Prophet raised his hands. At that time there was not a trace of cloud in the sky. By Him in Whose Hands my soul is as soon as he lowered his hands, clouds gathered like mountains, and before he got down from the pulpit, I saw the rain falling on the beard of the Prophet. It rained that day, the next day, the third day, the fourth day till the next Friday. The same Bedouin or another man stood up and said, “O Allah’s Apostle! The houses have collapsed, our possessions and livestock have been drowned; Please invoke Allah (to protect us)”. So the Prophet I raised both his hands and said, “O Allah! Round about us and not on us”. So, in whatever direction he pointed with his hands, the clouds dispersed and cleared away, and Medina’s (sky) became clear as a hole in between the clouds. The valley of Qanat remained flooded, for one month, none came from outside but talked about the abundant rain.
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Why does the koran say that mohamad can do NO miracles?
 
If the Qur’an says that he can do no miracles and the hadith says he did miracles, something doesn’t line up 🤷
 
This is the first time I ever heard of Mohammed doing any miracles…who were the witnesses…just one???

Christ had 12…
 
KathleenGee said:
This is the first time I ever heard of Mohammed doing any miracles…who were the witnesses…just one???

Christ had 12…
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Kathleen,

didn’t you know? According to renowned hadiths, Muhammad split the moon into halves! Yet the same thing scared him off his pants during a regular eclipse (according to these same hadiths, muhammad jumped in fright at an eclipse because he thought judgement day had come).

– Its like saying I could split that cloth easily into two with my fingers. But when you use that same cloth to cover the sunlight at the window, I totally freak out. DUH~ –

Seriously, how many of us here will even believe in such a guy if we were not born into his religion? I think less than 0.00001%
  • I suppose Muhammad couldn’t perform any miracles while on earth, that’s why the muslims had to make sure he did it on the moon.
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staffsgt7 said:
Islam didn’t grow until Mohammed started ATTACKING others. Very few people followed Mohammed until he left to Medina where he gained in power. What he gathered around him initially were mostly his family, a very few friends and some slaves.

His ‘revelation’ usually revolved around the promises of some sort to keep his men fighting. He had to promise rewards to them all the time, and coerce them all the time because they didn’t always want to fight. He made fighting a holy thing and promised them heavenly rewards to a desert people - rivers of water, abundant food, women and little boys, and even has his Allah a supplier of Satan’s stock of wine.

HIs wealth grew as the more caravans and cities that were poorly armed were attacked and he could steal the goods, and women and children as slaves. His men’s wealth grew, but so did his coffers since he said Allah said he could get 1/5th the loot from any attack. He made anyone who didn’t believe in him as his enemy, and if threatened and bullied anyone who left. He wrapped holiness around atrocious acts such as murder, torture, enslavement, rape, assasination, etc.

At one point he realized that killing off all the non-mohammedan men wasn’t such a good idea because they were the farmers, the traders, and other things to keep life going so he decided to subjugate them and let them know that if they accept subjugation they were to feel subdued, humiliated, daily; and they were to give him and his fellow mohammedans a tax that sometimes extended past death.

I think your version of how Islam is spread is a pipe dream or some twisted version that Muslims have told you. It was spread by the sword, by terror, he kept no promise (cease fire or treaty), he deceived his enemy, he killed the poets who were the news of his time. Basically, he was a fascist and practiced what fascists practice - kill of anyone who disagrees with him, and make them the enemy, terrorize, and lie. He would reward his men for torturing others, tearing old women apart, for bringing him more loot and slaves.

The whole thing is sick.
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Forgive me. If you will recall, I specifically stated that I could be wrong on some historical points. I was making conjecture to keep the whole topic on point, but it seems no muslim actually read it to properly correct it. And it seems the thing has gotten hijacked again. So…whatev.
 
jakasaki said:
Very well Hamba, show me the sura’s & aya within the koran of mohamads miracles please.

Thank you!
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I am aware of only one miracle of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) that is mentioned in the Qur’an although many are recorded in the ahadith.

The miracle of the splitting of the moon was demonstrated before a certain gathering who persisted in denial of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). As was related by ‘Adbullah ibn Mas‘ud, while they were in Mina’ one night, the Prophet split the moon into two by a gesture of his index finger. The halves of the moon appeared one behind the mountain and the other in front of it. Then, the Prophet turned to us and said: ‘Be witnesses!’

The Qur’an refers to this miracle in the following verses:

The Last Hour has drawn near, and the moon has split. But whenever they see a sign, they turn away and say, ‘This is evident magic’. … (al-Qamar, 54.1-2)
 
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