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Why do Muslims believe that the Modern New Testament is corrupted?
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This is a Trinitarian passage:
When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as he was praying, heaven was opened and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven. `You are my beloved Son, with you **I ** (Father) am well pleased’." Luke 3:21-22.
Another one:
John 14:26. “But the Paraclete, the Holy Spirit, whom the **Father **will send in my name (Jesus), will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.”
Another one:
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost Matthew 28
Another one:
1 Peter 1.2: who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to **Jesus Christ **and sprinkling by his blood
Who is the Holy Spirit?
In the beginning God Created The Heavens And The Earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and The Spirit of God was hovering over the waters." (Genesis 1:1-2)
Exodus 31:3 And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship…
The Spirit of God has made me; the breath of The Almighty gives me life." (Job 33:4)
“When you send Your Spirit, they are created, and you **renew **the face of the earth.” (Psalm 104:30)
Then the spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah, and he passed over Gilead, and Manasseh, and passed over Mizpeh of Gilead, and from Mizpeh of Gilead he passed over unto the children of Ammon. Judges 11:29
The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass.Isa. 40:7
Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? Psalm 130-7
But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Matthew 12:28
Corinthians 2:11, “For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so **the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.” **
For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.Mark 12:36
we see that the Holy Spirit lives inside us: “Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?” 1 Corinthians 3:16,
and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother’s womb.Luke 1
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.2 Corinthians 3:17
And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied…Luke 1:67
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:Acts 2:17-18
Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.Acts 6:3
The Word/Wisdom of God:
Proverbs 8:22-30 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him…
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1
“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” Revelation 22:13
for I will give you utterance and wisdom which none of your opponents will be able to resist or refute. Luke 21:15
all the churches will know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts; Revelation 2:23
"Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Do not let your heart be troubled, nor let it be fearful. John 14:27
We Christians do not insult God by saying He is not truthful to His Word, nor do we associate partners with Him by saying, like you, that his Holy Spirit is an omnipotent and omnipresent creature nor do we say He was Wisdomless and needed to create His Wisdom/Word.
If you seperate Allah from his wisdom and spirit then you are the ones committing shirk.
When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as he was praying, heaven was opened and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven. `You are my beloved Son, with you **I ** (Father) am well pleased’." Luke 3:21-22.
Another one:
John 14:26. “But the Paraclete, the Holy Spirit, whom the **Father **will send in my name (Jesus), will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.”
Another one:
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost Matthew 28
Another one:
1 Peter 1.2: who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, for obedience to **Jesus Christ **and sprinkling by his blood
Who is the Holy Spirit?
In the beginning God Created The Heavens And The Earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and The Spirit of God was hovering over the waters." (Genesis 1:1-2)
Exodus 31:3 And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship…
The Spirit of God has made me; the breath of The Almighty gives me life." (Job 33:4)
“When you send Your Spirit, they are created, and you **renew **the face of the earth.” (Psalm 104:30)
Then the spirit of the LORD came upon Jephthah, and he passed over Gilead, and Manasseh, and passed over Mizpeh of Gilead, and from Mizpeh of Gilead he passed over unto the children of Ammon. Judges 11:29
The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass.Isa. 40:7
Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? Psalm 130-7
But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Matthew 12:28
Corinthians 2:11, “For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so **the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.” **
For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.Mark 12:36
we see that the Holy Spirit lives inside us: “Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?” 1 Corinthians 3:16,
and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother’s womb.Luke 1
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.2 Corinthians 3:17
And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied…Luke 1:67
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:Acts 2:17-18
Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.Acts 6:3
The Word/Wisdom of God:
Proverbs 8:22-30 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him…
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1
“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” Revelation 22:13
for I will give you utterance and wisdom which none of your opponents will be able to resist or refute. Luke 21:15
all the churches will know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts; Revelation 2:23
"Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Do not let your heart be troubled, nor let it be fearful. John 14:27
We Christians do not insult God by saying He is not truthful to His Word, nor do we associate partners with Him by saying, like you, that his Holy Spirit is an omnipotent and omnipresent creature nor do we say He was Wisdomless and needed to create His Wisdom/Word.
If you seperate Allah from his wisdom and spirit then you are the ones committing shirk.
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inJESUS
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Regarding swine,
Are you so dull?" he (Jesus) asked, “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him unclean? For it doesn’t go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods “clean.”) He went on: “What comes out of a man is what makes him ‘unclean.’ For from within, out of men’s hearts come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance, and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man ‘unclean’.”
Mark 7:18-23
the Mosaic Law was for the Children of Israel, and since most Christians are not descendants of Israel and since the Messianic covenant is for all, we are not subject to the civil laws that dealt with community practice since we are not Jews. The Messianic law applies to anyone and to anyplace in the world.
Besides, why did Muhammad pick and choose from the Law? why do you eat camel meat which is forbidden like the pork to Jews? either stick to all the Jewish law, or stick to the Messianic, New Covenant Law to all…in between is hypocrisy.
Regarding circumcision which was a physical sign of covenant for Jews, another covenant started to ALL :
Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him and he will bring justice to the nations. He will not shout or cry out, or raise his voice in the streets. A bruise reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out. In faithfulness he will bring forth justice; he will not falter or be discouraged till he establishes justice on earth. In his law the islands will put their hope." Isaiah 42:1-4
In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature, not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ, having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.
You fo not have to be a Jew to follow the Law of Christ. Hard to grasp?
Besides, males had to be circumcised on the eighth day. Why aren’t you Muslims doing this as well and why are you breaking the Law?
I think it is time to remember that Jesus came to fulfill the Law and establish HIS New Law. Muhammad picked and chose by breaking BOTH Laws with no theological back up.
Are you so dull?" he (Jesus) asked, “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him unclean? For it doesn’t go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods “clean.”) He went on: “What comes out of a man is what makes him ‘unclean.’ For from within, out of men’s hearts come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance, and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man ‘unclean’.”
Mark 7:18-23
the Mosaic Law was for the Children of Israel, and since most Christians are not descendants of Israel and since the Messianic covenant is for all, we are not subject to the civil laws that dealt with community practice since we are not Jews. The Messianic law applies to anyone and to anyplace in the world.
Besides, why did Muhammad pick and choose from the Law? why do you eat camel meat which is forbidden like the pork to Jews? either stick to all the Jewish law, or stick to the Messianic, New Covenant Law to all…in between is hypocrisy.
Regarding circumcision which was a physical sign of covenant for Jews, another covenant started to ALL :
Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him and he will bring justice to the nations. He will not shout or cry out, or raise his voice in the streets. A bruise reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out. In faithfulness he will bring forth justice; he will not falter or be discouraged till he establishes justice on earth. In his law the islands will put their hope." Isaiah 42:1-4
In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature, not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ, having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.
You fo not have to be a Jew to follow the Law of Christ. Hard to grasp?
Besides, males had to be circumcised on the eighth day. Why aren’t you Muslims doing this as well and why are you breaking the Law?
I think it is time to remember that Jesus came to fulfill the Law and establish HIS New Law. Muhammad picked and chose by breaking BOTH Laws with no theological back up.
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inJESUS
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God says His Word stands forever. Muhammad says no? who is the liar?
God says Males be circumcized at the 8th day. Muhammad did not. Who broke the Law?
God says camel is forbidden just like pork. Who broke the law?
God says a married woman, after marrying another one, cannot go back to her first husband, and it is huge sin. Muhammad said this is obligatory. Who is a liar?
God says you should not approache a woman sexually in her monthly cycle. Muhammad fondled his women in that state (he couldn’t even wait!). Who broke the law?
and the list goes on and on.
Jesus is the Messiah. The Messiah brings another covenant and people must follow HIS eternal covenant as God says in the OT.
Who is Muhammad? an apocrypha forgerer sent to call God a liar and write his own book by breaking both the old Jewish Law and the Messianic New covenant law? talk about picking and choosing , apocrypha fand legend forging, hypocrisy and insulting God and all previous prophets yet claiming to follow them all.
God says Males be circumcized at the 8th day. Muhammad did not. Who broke the Law?
God says camel is forbidden just like pork. Who broke the law?
God says a married woman, after marrying another one, cannot go back to her first husband, and it is huge sin. Muhammad said this is obligatory. Who is a liar?
God says you should not approache a woman sexually in her monthly cycle. Muhammad fondled his women in that state (he couldn’t even wait!). Who broke the law?
and the list goes on and on.
Jesus is the Messiah. The Messiah brings another covenant and people must follow HIS eternal covenant as God says in the OT.
Who is Muhammad? an apocrypha forgerer sent to call God a liar and write his own book by breaking both the old Jewish Law and the Messianic New covenant law? talk about picking and choosing , apocrypha fand legend forging, hypocrisy and insulting God and all previous prophets yet claiming to follow them all.
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Sam_777
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Camels in Arabian Peninsula were and still used by Badus for their daily life needs (e.g., travel, meat, milk, etc), and in the days of Muhammad, they were used to scare-off enemies horses in the Islamic wars, in addition that they sustain the desert over-heat conditions, so how to expect Muhammad to prohibit it and loss his Badus support.
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morning_star777
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congratulations brother inJESUS.your reply is the terrible lash against the muslim claim"the bible had been corrupted".i am very happy.your reply is perfect.now we want to see how our muslim fellows will reply it.but i guess they wont reply it in logical way.cause mr planten already lost his logic,he replies some of ur post with emotion not with logic.brother inJESUS may lord jesus always be with you and us.AMEN
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morning_star777
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mr.planten hope you saw those replies before.or may be didn’t see.if you saw then pls reply those previous posts.don’t ignore.why do you always ignore those posts that always push you to an awkward situation?so brother reply post of inJESUS neither never join such controversial discussion about NT or OT,or against christianity.because those discussion always destroy you logic.actually you have to prove everything you know that.thank you.
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swariffin
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Dear brother, usually they did not respond or bring a new issue.
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morning_star777
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my brother,maybe you are correct.but i guess this issue was old.but its ok if any one don’t respond.its their wish.so i think i also shouldn’t say anything.
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R_not
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Take note of this veiled threat.
They are in the beginnings of their jihad against us and still have to work on infiltrating our institutions and along with jihad tactics other than just the violent kind (immigration, uncontrolled births, deception, etc since they know they cannot defeat us militarily and instead use our ‘political correctness’ and ‘multiculturalism’ against us to meet their never ending demands). and their stated goal is to have this done by 2050, but before that have at least 7,000+ muslims in our government and other institutions to start getting sharia law more and more into our laws.
Well, back to mohammed and the reason why they think the Bible was corrupted - both the Old Testament and the New Testament.
Because mohammed didn’t know either. And to cover his behind he said it was the Jews and Christians who were wrong and because of that we are the ones destined to go to hades. And that is why the koran will never be rewritten because he warned that if muslims rewrite the koran they will be condemned.
There is a so called rewriting going on in TUrkey, but as with all things - that is for our benefit - not for muslims. As we are the ones that label muslims as either ‘moderate’ or radical - that is our terms - not a muslim’s term or they use it because that is what we want to hear.
All I got to say is that people should bore themselves with becoming familiar with the koran. Everyone should know the battle tactics in it against us infidels. If you do not then they can keep on saying untruths to us and we will keep on falling for it.
All of the above can be gotten from many sources, ‘A Never Ending War’, the hadiths and koran, and
Muslim’s stated goal to take us over by 2050
jihadwatch.org/archives/018733.php
Who is being honest?
amilimani.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=85&Itemid=2
‘moderate muslim’ is a kafir term: frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=76B12F33-3165-47D1-80ED-C3F1ACD07D8A
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planten
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**Your post is all political. There is nothing spiritual in it. Of course the Muslims may be planning something. I am not aware of that. What you said maybe right. Or it may only be a rumour.
I am least interested in all that. If you have anything good and natural in your religion then please bring it here. Otherwise forget it**.
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morning_star777
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.you have posted the perfect reply.
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R_not
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Christ’s teachings are good and natural. I find your response funny since I would ask you to bring what is good and natural about islam here - but I have read it, studied it and don’t find anything good and natural about it. So, I won’t ask.
When a ‘prophet’ says it is ok to commit violence and/or kill anyone who is not of its idiology - then that is evil. When it says it is ok to deceive us about islam - then that is not good and natural.
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R_not
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thanks inJesus, you say things very nicely. I wish I could be less abrupt - but, I will be quite frank - I don’t know how.
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planten
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**If I cannot do it then you also cannot do it. In fact no one can do it. The religion is non-political. That was Jesus teaching too. And that of Moses too. Moses did not want any kingdom for himself. he had a duty to liberate his people from the yoke of the Egyptians.
Jesus also had the plan to rid the Jews of the yoke of Roman slavery. But the people did not listen to him and did not accept him. Jesus admitted that his kingdom was not of this world. His kingdom was spiritual kingdom. That is the same for Muhammad.
But what happenes when some one does not let you live in peace. They do not allow you to believe what you like and do not allow you to preach your faith. Only then the trouble starts. In the case of Jesus, the matter did not reach that point. There was a showdown very soon.
In the case of Muhammad, it was a long struggle. He was victorious in the end, exactly as Jesus would have wished for his people. So that the poor people could pray to their true One God in peace. Sword cannot win the heart. Islam never converted any one with the sword. But it converted every one by its good great principles of liberty and equality and pious life and decency.
Even Jesus did not like politics. he said “The one who uses sword will be killed by the sword.” Is that not enough to prove that his mission was not political.**
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Angelos
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Please bring some verses from both the New Testament and the Koran that support your claims about Jesus’ aim to save Jews from Romans. Where is it written in the Christian or Islamic Scripture that Jesus came to end the Roman invasion???
This first pragraph of your post apparently contradicts your remarks in the last paragraph: you first say that Jesus came to Jews in order to politically save them from Romans, but you later deny this by saying that Jesus’ kingdom was not from this world.
The trouble started when Mohammad’s followers attempted to realise their malicious dreams by converting the whole world to Islam and taking the lead in world religions through violent acts and Islamic emperialism. Prior to Islam and the related unfair conversion of oppressed people, there had been peace and prosperity in the Middle East and Europe.
Mohammad was triumphant only temporarily and politically! He will be one of the top losers on the day of judgment!
Islam has always converted people with the sword and atrocities as well as heavy taxes imposed on non-Muslims, which came to represent Mohammad’s desire for money and his eagerness to exploit people not following him.
You should read the Koran to see how Mohammad’s false deity of wealth commanded him to punish and humiliate Jews and Christians by compelling them to pay jizya!
This but proves that Jesus never endorsed Mohammad’s ministry! Jesus did not consider Mohammad a true prophet because Mohammad lived by the sword!
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