why do muslims try o find mohammed in the bible.

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I have watch videos of Muslim trying to show that there prophet is in the Bible ( they usaully use John 14: 15-17). My question to the muslims is why does Muhammad have to in the bible?
 
noobio said:
I have watch videos of Muslim trying to show that there prophet is in the Bible ( they usaully use John 14: 15-17). My question to the muslims is why does Muhammad have to in the bible?
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I don’t know why they would try to, since they believe that the Bible has been corrupted by men and that only the Quran is a pure revelation. I guess it’s kind of like some Christian missionaries in India that try to find references to Jesus in Hindu scriptures. 🤷
 
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I don’t know why they would try to, since they believe that the Bible has been corrupted by men and that only the Quran is a pure revelation. I guess it’s kind of like some Christian missionaries in India that try to find references to Jesus in Hindu scriptures. 🤷
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The bible is not corrupt when it seems to talk about their prophet, but when the gospels prove the diety of Chist it is corrupted.:confused:
 
noobio said:
The bible is not corrupt when it seems to talk about their prophet, but when the gospels prove the diety of Chist it is corrupted.:confused:
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They think that every revelation before Muhammad has been corrupted by men. For example, they think that God sent Abraham, Moses, Isaac, etc… to the Jews with a true revelation, but that the Jews then corrupted that revelation and it became the Tanakh. Then they think that God sent Jesus to set the revelation straight, but then that was corrupted by the Christians and it became the New Testament. Then, finally, they think that God sent Muhammad to clarify what was true and what wasn’t by receiving the Quran from the Angel Gabriel, and it couldn’t be corrupted because God prevented it from being corrupted. Of course, one must ask oneself why an omnipotent God wouldn’t just prevent the revelation from being corrupted in the first place, but I digress.
 
It is not just in the Bible that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned.

He is prophesied in other scriptures as well as can be read in this thread.
 
Its become a large computer game in regards to Google sights, You-Tube and false teaching which promotes nothing but lies and Half-truths, and whos the Father of that?

God Bless, Gary
 
hamba2han said:
It is not just in the Bible that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned.

He is prophesied in other scriptures as well as can be read in this thread.
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I am not sure about other holy books, but I have found Mohammad no where in the complete bible. Can you please show me which verse in the bible talks about Mohammad.
 
Mohammed himself tells them to look for him there because he needs something to prove he is a prophet as he can’t work a miracle or a prophesy.

we have been through this false circular logic before. It hasn’t changed since the very start.
another poster in another thread gave this web address well worth a read. orthodoxinfo.com/general/stjohn_islam.aspx

St. John of Damascus’s Critique of Islam
But when we ask: ‘And who is there to testify that God gave him the book? And which of the prophets foretold that such a prophet would rise up?’—they are at a loss. And we remark that Moses received the Law on Mount Sinai, with God appearing in the sight of all the people in cloud, and fire, and darkness, and storm. And we say that all the Prophets from Moses on down foretold the coming of Christ and how Christ God (and incarnate Son of God) was to come and to be crucified and die and rise again, and how He was to be the judge of the living and dead. Then, when we say: ‘How is it that this prophet of yours did not come in the same way, with others bearing witness to him? And how is it that God did not in your presence present this man with the book to which you refer, even as He gave the Law to Moses, with the people looking on and the mountain smoking, so that you, too, might have certainty?’—they answer that God does as He pleases. ‘This,’ we say, ‘We know, but we are asking how the book came down to your prophet.’ Then they reply that the book came down to him while he was asleep. Then we jokingly say to them that, as long as he received the book in his sleep and did not actually sense the operation, then the popular adage applies to him (which runs: You’re spinning me dreams.)
When we ask again: ‘How is it that when he enjoined us in this book of yours not to do anything or receive anything without witnesses, you did not ask him: “First do you show us by witnesses that you are a prophet and that you have come from God, and show us just what Scriptures there are that testify about you”’—they are ashamed and remain silent. [Then we continue:] ‘Although you may not marry a wife without witnesses, or buy, or acquire property; although you neither receive an *** nor possess a beast of burden unwitnessed; and although you do possess both wives and property and asses and so on through witnesses, yet it is only your faith and your scriptures that you hold unsubstantiated by witnesses. For he who handed this down to you has no warranty from any source, nor is there anyone known who testified about him before he came. On the contrary, he received it while he was asleep.’

The only miracle that mohammad worked was the miracle of Mao Tze Tung ; he took over a large area of the world through conquest and terror and attached it to a littlr Red Book and a cult of Personality. Mohammad was a Bandit swengali type that attracted others and through luck and some good and timely military alliances he lucked out .
 
doubt the New Testament has anything about that guy. He lived in the 6th and 7th century…
 
noobio said:
I am not sure about other holy books, but I have found Mohammad no where in the complete bible. Can you please show me which verse in the bible talks about Mohammad.
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There are to be found a number of verses and passages in the Bible which point to the coming of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

For example, the Fourth Gospel, like every other book of the New Testament, was written in Greek and not in Aramaic, which was the mother-tongue of Jesus (pbuh) and his disciples.

What word or name was it that Jesus (pbuh) used in his native tongue to express that which the Fourth Gospel has translated as “the Paraclete” and which has been converted into “comforter” in all the versions of that Gospel?

The “Paraclete” does not signify either “consoler” or “advocate” or "comforter’; in truth, it is not a classical word at all. The Greek orthography of the word is Paraklytos which in ecclesiastical literature is made to mean “one called to aid, advocate, intercessor”. One need not profess to be a Greek scholar to know that the Greek word for “comforter or consoler” is not “Paraclytos” but “Paracalon”.

To read more, kindly go to this article.
 
hamba2han said:
There are to be found a number of verses and passages in the Bible which point to the coming of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

For example, the Fourth Gospel, like every other book of the New Testament, was written in Greek and not in Aramaic, which was the mother-tongue of Jesus (pbuh) and his disciples.

What word or name was it that Jesus (pbuh) used in his native tongue to express that which the Fourth Gospel has translated as “the Paraclete” and which has been converted into “comforter” in all the versions of that Gospel?

The “Paraclete” does not signify either “consoler” or “advocate” or "comforter’; in truth, it is not a classical word at all. The Greek orthography of the word is Paraklytos which in ecclesiastical literature is made to mean “one called to aid, advocate, intercessor”. One need not profess to be a Greek scholar to know that the Greek word for “comforter or consoler” is not “Paraclytos” but “Paracalon”.

To read more, kindly go to this article.
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If you actually took the time to examine the verses where Jesus talks about the comforter, you will notice it is not your prophet.

John 14:16 — And I will ask the Father and He will give you another Comforter to be with you forever - the Spirit of Truth.

Mohammad was never with the disciples, he came 500 years later.
 
hamba2han said:
There are to be found a number of verses and passages in the Bible which point to the coming of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

For example, the Fourth Gospel, like every other book of the New Testament, was written in Greek and not in Aramaic, which was the mother-tongue of Jesus (pbuh) and his disciples.

What word or name was it that Jesus (pbuh) used in his native tongue to express that which the Fourth Gospel has translated as “the Paraclete” and which has been converted into “comforter” in all the versions of that Gospel?

The “Paraclete” does not signify either “consoler” or “advocate” or "comforter’; in truth, it is not a classical word at all. The Greek orthography of the word is Paraklytos which in ecclesiastical literature is made to mean “one called to aid, advocate, intercessor”. One need not profess to be a Greek scholar to know that the Greek word for “comforter or consoler” is not “Paraclytos” but “Paracalon”.

To read more, kindly go to this article.
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If you examined the verses you would notice the comforter is the Holy Spirit, not a human. The comforter would stay with the disciples forever. Your prophet was never with them, he came 500 years after them. The comforter is able to be** in ** the believers. Your prophet is not able to do that, because he is obviously not God.

answering-islam.org/Silas/comforter.htm
 
They do that because islam cannot stand on it’s own.

As JC said - we have been through this on this forum many-a-times…

No where is mohamad mentioned in the OT or NT

And for the life of me… in one breath…

muslim: oh yeah… your Bible is corrupted

On the other breath…

muslim:… oh wait… our prophet is mentioned in your Bible…

It blows my mind how we managed to corrupted our Bible but left “hints” in there about mohamad…

This whole issue is pointless.
 
Jay53 said:
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I know… I know… Jay…

I did the same thing you just did - and I was laughing so hard… that Matthew comes running in to see what’s funny… He too laughed…!! 😃

We are both big Treckies and big Spock fans… 😛

Greetings to the family dear friend…
 
Hey wait one cotton picking minute… 😃

He is very real… I saw him on my TV and that is proof he is real…!!! 😃
 
Ah yes indeed… “machamadim”… good old Zakir…

On one breath…

muslim: Oh yeah… Song of Solomon is dirty filthy porn…

And on the other breath…

muslim:… Oh wait… mohamad is mentioned in there as “machamadim”…

Like I said earlier…

It’s all pointless…
 
JUST IN CASE MUSLIMS ARE BANNED FROM READING ANSWERING MUSLIMS WEBSITE I FOUND THE BIT NEEDED FOR THEM 😃“

In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word ‘Comforter’ is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter.

“Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus actually prophesied Ahmed by name. Even the Greek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet who is a mercy for all creatures.”
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     After reading Naik’s assertion above, I have to ask, how much Greek does Naik know?  From where does Naik get his information from?  How does he know that Parakletos is the warped reading for Periclytos?  Does he cite any actual textual support?  In fact, let me ask “where did Naik get this nonsense”?  Did he invent it on the spot, or, is he relying upon Ahmad Deedat’s Exhaustive & Comprehensive Manual / Lexicon / Theological Encyclopedia Dictionary of the Greek New Testament?

     On the other hand, take a look at Kittel’s Theological Dictionary of the New Testament.  This is a 10 volume set that is recognized as one of the top, if not the very top, of Greek New Testament References  [13].

     On page 800, of volume 5, the study on the Greek word for Comforter is given.  The meaning and definition of this word is analyzed from its use in Greek literature, in the Septuagint, in Rabbinical literature, in Philo’s work, in early Christian literature, and in the NT itself.  Below are some quotes defining the meaning of parakletos.
Page 801: The use as a noun, attested in secular Greek. From the 4th century B.C. in the sense of a “person called in to help, summoned to give assistance,” gives us the meaning of “help in court”.

Page 802: In the Rabbis. In the Hebrew or Aramaic of the Rabbis, in their religious vocabulary … it always denoted an advocate before God.

Page 802: In Philo. The word also means advocate consistently in Philo.

Page 803: Thus the history of the term in the whole sphere of know Greek and Hellenistic usage outside the NT yields the clear picture of a legal adviser or helper or advocate in the relevant court.

Page 813: More richly developed if more difficult to define is the idea, expressly attested only in John of a Paraclete at work in the world both in and for the disciples. Jesus Himself is regarded as such during His early ministry. The only description however is that of the Paraclete who after the departure of Jesus will continue His work and remain for ever with and in the disciples (14:16f, 26, 16:7, 13f.) This is the Spirit. Sent by God or Jesus to the disciples (14:16, 26, 15:26, 16:7) – not to the world, which has no organ for Him (14:17) – He teaches with all embracing authority and yet with strict adherence to Jesus and His message, maintaining, expanding and completing the work of Jesus, leading the disciples into all truth (14:26, 15:26, 16:13f). His witness to Jesus (15:26), however is also accusation of the world before God’s judgment seat: He convicts the world in respect of sin, righteousness, and judgment. The is, He shows that sin is on the side of the world, right and triumph on the of Jesus )16:8 – 11). The puzzle of combination of kerygmatic and forensic features in the picture of the Spirit-Paraclete is solved if we trace back the tradition historically to the OT and Jewish idea of the advocate.
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     Here is another Greek reference that addresses Parakletos.

     "Parakletos" is the Greek N. T. word for "Comforter", literally “called to one’s side, i.e., to one’s aid”.  It denotes a legal assistant, counsel for the defense, an advocate, one who pleads another’s cause, an intercessor.  (From Vine's Exp. Dictionary. of N.T. Words, p200)  [14].

     Some Muslims assert that the original word in the N.T. was 'periklutos' - i.e. 'praised one', which is 'Ahmad' in Arabic.   'Ahmad', or 'Praised One' is a name ascribed to Muhammad].  This is a baseless assertion. There is no evidence at all supporting this claim.  There are thousands of N.T. manuscripts pre-dating Islam and not one of these contains the word 'periklutos', anywhere.  Muslims like to charge Christians with changing their Bible - 'tahrif' (corruption) of their Scriptures, but it is Muslims who are guilty of 'tahrif' when they claim that the original word was 'periklutos'.

      As Cragg says in "Jesus and the Muslim", p.266:
“There is however, no textual evidence in any way sustaining such variant reading, and the manuscript texts of St. John go back to the second century. Moreover, the two Greek words are themselves compounds and the prefixes and root verbs are both different. Suspicions of textual corruption here would be completely unfounded, on documentary, grammatical and exegetical grounds.” [15]
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     Remember, the Muslim claim is based on a desperate attempt to find Biblical support for Muhammad's statement that the Bible foretold him.  The Bible never foretold Muhammad so Muslims have thrashed about, twisting the Scriptures, trying to find some way to make Muhammad's words true – otherwise they would have to accept that Muhammad was a liar and false prophet.

     Further, take for example a portion of verse 14:16, “He will give you another Comforter.”  If periklutos is used, it read, “He will give you another praised one.”  This statement is both out of place in its context and devoid of support elsewhere in the Bible – Jesus is never called the “periklutos” or “praised one”.

     However, 1 John 2:1 says: 

     "...we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense - Jesus Christ the Righteous One."  Here, the Greek word 'Parakletos' is used, defined as 'one who speaks in our defense'.
 
John Gilchrist comments here:

Here, the context dictates an advocate (paraclete), not a ‘praised one’. Just as Christ is our advocate, so He promised to give us an advocate, or Comforter to be in us. ‘Periklutos’ could not fit here. (From Gilchrist, “Is Muhammad Foretold in the Bible?”, p29) [16].

CONCLUSION ON NAIK’S WORK
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     Let me ask the reader, in view of the evidence, does Naik have any credibility here?  Naik knows he has no logical or textual support, so instead of discussing something he cannot defend, he lies to his readers and misleads them by making a bold statement — “Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos”.  Sometimes if people cannot reason, or present a sound argument, they shout or make obtuse statements.  Here Naik is doing just that:  he has no case, so he relies on outrageous statements to fool his Muslim readership.



     Naik is supposed to be a medical doctor.  Let me ask you, the reader – would you want him making a diagnosis on you?  “Oh, you have a pain in your stomach, well, I will remove your foot – that will cure you!”   And that is exactly what Naik is doing here.  He is willing and able to deceive his Muslim readership, and he does not want them to search things out for themselves.
HOPE THAT HELPS OUR MUSLIM BROTHERS OUT 😃
 
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