Why do non catholics dislike Mother Mary?

[MyRdmrLvs]

rev, where does it say Mary and Joseph were married? Betrothed, yes, but married. In light of 1 Corinthians 7:36-38 (RSV-CE)

Where in Scripture does it say Joseph was not also a virgin, for that matter. Be careful that you don’t put your own desires and failings into Scripture where Scripture is silent.

this is the sort of theological back flips that become necessary when doctrines are made up for reasons other than their intrinsic truth in scripture. this stuff would never have gotten off the ground if the common man had had his own Bibles. by the time the common man was able to question such errors the RCC was committed to them.
Mat. 1 18-24

 

[izoid]

Invisible, yes, because it’s truly ‘universal’ and has no wall. Secret, no, not at all. Aren’t we told not to be ashamed. However, for many, they really pay a big price for becoming Christian, they may even be killed by their family members.

You really need to do a thorough exegesis of 1 TIM 3:15. Look at the Greek words used for house of God, Church, pillar and foundation. It becomes very clear that this verse is NOT referring to an invisible church of all believers.

 

[Dokimas]

This is exactly what they believe. Not exactly, I’ve answered this a post or two before.Come on, we are being taught how to behave in the house of the Lord, the Church. This is to be taken as some mystical unidentifiable group of people? Not correct again. Didn’t the Lord say they’d know us by our love for each other? Christians should be knowable. We are to be the light to the world and we aren’t supposed to hide our light under a bushel basket. How then are we to know when to behave as we are taught to in the house of the Lord. Prayerfully read and obey.

Anyone seeking the truth has to acknowledge that Paul was speaking of a physical Church. **Sure was physical. You misunderstand invisible. God’s invisible but He is more real than we are. **A congregation, a physical and real entity.

Looks like there’s quite a bit of misunderstanding of what non-catholic Christians believe. Surprise, surprise, surprise. I guess the shoe fits both catholic and non-catholic Christians.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

You’re not exactly accurate. What I believe, and I only speak for myself, it that if it contradicts Scripture then it is not correct.​

It has been shown that there are incorrect teachings in books rejected by protestants. I have not studied this so don’t bother asking me for chapter and verse. It is not of interest to me. I’m sure, it you’re truly interested, you could google it and find your answer.​

I do have a question: If I understand history correctly, 27 books NT and 39 books OT were accepted first and others were questionable. Then other were added later. Why weren’t they accepted by church leaders the first time? Did they make a mistake or did those who added them later make the mistake?​

BTW, I’m sure there are good things in those letters (books). That’s not the question. The question is whether or not there are things in them that would rule them out as being part of the Word of God.​

As for the list of acceptable books in the Bible itself, it must be a common arguing point for catholics against non-catholic Christians. Funny you guys accuse us of having arguing points. Guess none us should throw stones! Yes?

Let me help you abit so you’re not confused. There was a Hebrew and a Greek canon of the Old Testament. For 1500 years, the Greek canon was used. When the reformation took place, Martin Luther decided to use the Hebrew canon, which had less books. So, you see, Catholics did not add to the Bible, Protestants took away from the Bible used.

Here’s a quote from Martin Luther, who I assume you know was the first to break away from the Catholic Church which started the Protestant reformation, concerning the Bible.

“We are obliged to yield many things to the Papists (Catholics)–that they possess the Word of God which we received from them, otherwise we should have known nothing at all about it."

 

[TEPO]

Good question. Could you please show me in the Word of God where it says this?

No… My question was -WOULD you change your views IF it were the word of God ?

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Looks like there’s quite a bit of misunderstanding of what non-catholic Christians believe. Surprise, surprise, surprise. I guess the shoe fits both catholic and non-catholic Christians.

No confusion on my part. I was raised in Protestant Churches. In 1985 I converted to the Catholic Church and I believe it was the Holy Spirit that led me there.

 

[MyRdmrLvs]

Indeed.

Except there is only One Church which claims something else.

I’ll go with the One that states it’s not going to teach error, vs the one led by fallible pastors with their man-made doctrines.

I will believe only the church that will teach no error! how do you know its true, that the church teaches no error? Because the church teaches that they teach no error and therefor it must be true!

 

[TEPO]

this is the sort of theological back flips that become necessary when doctrines are made up for reasons other than their intrinsic truth in scripture. this stuff would never have gotten off the ground if the common man had had his own Bibles. by the time the common man was able to question such errors the RCC was committed to them.
Mat. 1 18-24

As if one should just take your word on that…

And are you suggesting that the common man was not able to own his own bible ? If so, how did Luther find a way ?

 

[izoid]

Looks like there’s quite a bit of misunderstanding of what non-catholic Christians believe. Surprise, surprise, surprise. I guess the shoe fits both catholic and non-catholic Christians.

I am fairly well versed in what certain protestants believe. YOu do not believe that Christ established a Church defined by structured leadership. YOu believe that the church is a conglomerate of all believers all over the world. YOu believe that when the Bible speaks of the church it is speaking of all believers and not of the Catholic Church. Am I cliose to being accurate?

Again, I challenge you to do some study of the Greek in 1 TIM 3:15 and tell me if you stand by your analysis.

 

[Dokimas]

You really need to do a thorough exegesis of 1 TIM 3:15. Look at the Greek words used for house of God, Church, pillar and foundation. It becomes very clear that this verse is NOT referring to an invisible church of all believers.

Are you saying the walls are visible as walls; or pillars visible as pillars;or the foundation visible as a foundation?

 

[izoid]

I will believe only the church that will teach no error! how do you know its true, that the church teaches no error? Because the church teaches that they teach no error and therefor it must be true!

One mistake…the Bible teaches that the Church will teach no error.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

I will believe only the church that will teach no error! how do you know its true, that the church teaches no error? Because the church teaches that they teach no error and therefor it must be true!

Actually, we believe Christ’s promise to be with His Church until the consummation of the world, so great a Church that even the gates of hell shall not prevail against it, therefore we believe the Church to be free from error, just as Christ is free from error.

 

[tweetymom]

Actually, we believe Christ’s promise to be with His Church until the consummation of the world, so great a Church that even the gates of hell shall not prevail against it, therefore we believe the Church to be free from error, just as Christ is free from error.

Christ is free from error period.

 

[Dokimas]

I am fairly well versed in what certain protestants believe. **Operative word. **YOu do not believe that Christ established a Church defined by structured leadership. Wrong ** YOu believe that the church is a conglomerate of all believers all over the world. That’s correct and I’ve already said that. YOu believe that when the Bible speaks of the church it is speaking of all believers and not of the Catholic Church. Correct. Am I cliose to being accurate? ** If I’m counting correctly: 3 out of 4 here. What about the other beliefs I commented on already?

Again, I challenge you to do some study of the Greek in 1 TIM 3:15 and tell me if you stand by your analysis.

Thanks for the challenge.

 

[TEPO]

I will believe only the church that will teach no error! how do you know its true, that the church teaches no error? Because the church teaches that they teach no error and therefor it must be true!

Prayer, Baptism, Confession, Eucharist, Bible, and confirmation (initi8ation into the Church)… This combination, plus more gives Catholics the faith through Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

Using strictly Bible verses takes away from the rest

 

[izoid]

Are you saying the walls are visible as walls; or pillars visible as pillars;or the foundation visible as a foundation?

I find it telling that you fail to look at the words used for house of God and Church. These are clearly relating to an individual congregation.

oikos—a house, dwelling

ekklēsia—assembly, a religious congregation.

Now, you can claim what you will but your logic falls short. God is not a God of confusion and He can not be directing all of the different beliefs in all of the different congregations. It is absolutely not possible to say so.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Christ is free from error period.

So, are you saying a Church started by Christ would be in error?

 

[Dokimas]

Actually, we believe Christ’s promise to be with His Church until the consummation of the world so do I, so great a Church that even the gates of hell shall not prevail against it me too, therefore we believe the Church to be free from error nope, just as Christ is free from error Yes, Jesus alone is free from error…

 

[Dokimas]

So, are you saying a Church started by Christ would be in error?

People make up the church Jesus started. All people err at one time or another. Jesus is the only infallible ONE.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Dokimas:
Like tweety, you think Christ could start something that would be in error?