If you follow that reasoning, MRL, *any *time that you are not praying to God is not enough.
Would it be problematic if she had died and was raised from the dead? If so, why?
I don’t agree with that analogy at all. Every key stroke one spends in defense of giving God his due glory and worship instead of it going elsewhere is surely not splitting time away from God but performing a ministryIf you follow that reasoning, MRL, *any *time that you are not praying to God is not enough.
Indeed, each and every stroke you make on your keyboard to write a post here is splitting your time away from God.
If you truly believe what you say above in your post, you ought not spend any time talking to your family, either.
Fair enough.
Hate is not a very “sensible” emotion.
I pray thee, sir, don’t assign such a rigid definition to the word “pray”. Christians believe that there is life after death. Many even talk to their dead relatives, because to them, the loved ones are alive in heaven. Is this what you believe?
Welcome to CAF MAC. You can follow certain posters by clicking on their name, then choosing “view all posts by…”.
You say you’re getting whiplash from the 180’s? Welcome to the club. Catholic, Christian, questioning, born-again, RC; denomination varies with the time of day, not to mention the forum thread, in many of our seemingly confused brethrens’ self identification…Sad creatures, really. They need our prayers.
Mary made that decision. She chose not to sin, just like all of us can. We can choose not to sin, and walk in the power of the HS, following His commandments.
1 Timothy 2:1: First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men
The Apostles taught that there is One Body, and we are all members one of another. Death does not separate us.
This is grist for another thread. The passage states “call for the elders (presbyters/priests)”.
Why would Mary be less qualified to intercede for us than any devoted child of God?
Dog gone it Tweety! I thought, when you revised your affiliation, you had agreed to stop misrepresenting yourself like this! I guess I was rejoicing too soon.
We believe that the effectual fervent prayers of the righteous have great power in their effects.
No, you are not Catholic, Tweety. Instead, you give scandal to the Catholic Church by misrepresenting the faith.
You are right that you dot have to agree. At this time, you are a rebellious subject of the Roman Pontiff.
It would make me happier if you would stop claiming to be Catholic because it is a misrepresentation of yourself.
This is a simple semantics issue rev kev. In this context, the word "to pray’ just means “to ask”. We ask for their prayers. It is an archaic use of the word “pray”. It is still used in some legal venues, but is most often found in middle English (like Shakespeare).
No, Doki. The Scriptures, like the Apostles, make no distinction between members of the body that are here on earth, and those who have passed into eternity. We are all members of the One Body. I think I missed the post where you dispatched the verses in Revelation about the saints interceding for us.
Yes. It would be wise to assume that none of Tweety’s posts represent the doctrine of the Catholic Church. I realize that sometimes they do, but most of the time, they do not. It is better to err on the side that they are not Catholic in perspective.
Please do not fall prey to Tweety’s disingenuous claims. She does not represent Catholic faith. It is a mystery to those of us that do why she would want to claim to be in communion with a Church that considers her beliefs heretical, but she does.
Due to your constant misrepresentation of yourself, you are certainly under close scrutiny here on CAF,and your posts consistently fail the litmus test of Catholicity.
On Tweety’s behalf, it seems that she was never educated in the Catholic faith, never embraced the teachings of the Church, and really did not “fall way”, since she was never really attached.
No, Tweety. Clearly enough correction has not yet occurred. We will know when this happens because you will either embrace the Catholic faith, or stop claiming that you do , when you do not.
No, Tweety, your faith is not Catholic.
No, I do appreciate your honesty. What I would prefer is that you refrain from claiming that you agree, when clearly you do not. Whenever you claim you are Catholic, it is saying you believe and accept the teachings of the Church, which you don’t.
Anyone who believes this will have embraced a heresy. No creature can “ascend” to heaven except He who descended. The testimony of history is that, when her earthly life was done, she was laid in a tomb. When the tomb was visited later, her body was gone, and they supposed that her Son took her to Himself.
The Church does not teach whether she died, or not. the most ancient sources refer to her “dormition” (falling asleep). It is taught that her body was not left to decay, and that her Son crowned her in heaven when her life on earth was completed.
I can promise you that every post of yours that I see where you claim to be Catholic, yet post something contrary to the Catholic faith I will respond to quickly.
No, Doki, this is not the case. There is no problem with Tweety, or anyone here, sharing their beliefs.
I think you misunderstood, Doki. the problem is that she claims to be Catholic. In making that claim, one makes the claim that they embrace the teachings of the Church. We have all observed from day one that she does not.
No, belonging to a Catholic parish does not make you Catholic. What makes a person Catholic is embracing the Teachings of the Catholic faith.
This is not a problem, unless you claim you are Catholic.
PM me with his name and address, and I will send him our concerns.
You did explain it, and the elements of RCIA you teach can be taught by a non-Catholic.
Yes, you do Tweety. If you want to claim you are Catholic, then you will represent the Catholic faith. I will agree, though, your posts are a dismal testimony to Catholicity.
This being the case, perhaps you will consider refraining from telling people that you are Catholic, as it gives the wrong impression. Why do you think Jesus is glorified when you claim to be in unity with Catholic faith and you are not?
With all due respect, I don’t think this is true. So far as I can tell, Tweety was never taught about the Catholic faith, and never embraced it. Such a person cannot be accused of falling away, or “letting go” of the faith.
When a person claims to be Catholic, they are proclaiming that they agree with Catholic doctrine and dogma.
Good points.
Actually Pope Pius XII taught that she did in fact die, right in the Bull Most Bountiful God (Munificentissimus Deus). Does that count?
I believe you are wrong here. I will ask you a question as well. Why did the miracles stop? *Jesus replied, “What is impossible with men is possible with God.” * (Luke 18:27) God does not do what men should do. If a man can be healed by normal methods, God will not interfere. I will give you another example: while the Jews were in the desert, God gave them manna; but when they entered the Promised Land and settled down, God stopped the manna…why? Because God will not what the man’ should do! In that case, plant vegetables, trees, etc. I will give you another example: at the beginning of the Church God helped the apostles with many miracles and wonders… but at the end of their [apostles’] lives the miracles stopped. Why? Because at the beginning no one would believe them. But later on, what they thought was enough to believe, so the miracles were not needed. God couldn’t continue the miracles because faith comes from the Word, and the Word from hearing, not seeing.