Why do other Christians "hate" Catholics?

[PRmerger]

I was raised in a family that prohibited me from playing with Protestants. Wanna guess which faith that was?

It certainly wasn’t the Catholic faith, that’s for certain.

Unless you can offer a document from the Catholic Church that forbade Catholics from playing with Protestants?

That your family prohibited you from doing so…well, that’s not the Catholic Church’s fault.

 

[shelby_sun]

Well I feel very fortunate to live in a city where that is non found to be true so much. Maybe I am in a different situation. I live in a very large metroplex that has a huge Jesuit influence. For those who may not know Jesuit school require and encourage a great deal of community service from their student. Seniors in high school must complete 100 hours in order to graduate; however, many complete many more hours than that. They serve the whole community not matter what the religion.

Our sports teams belong to a public school league because they were dominating the smaller Catholic school leaque. This has given many more non Catholics a chance to meet us, see us pray before games, serve others before the games, and see our students act like civilized, caring young men. I am proud to say that when people in our city hear we are from the Jesuit community they usually have nothing but wonderful things to say and want to know more about our school. We have 1100 students at our school and their are a good number of non Catholic, including Jews and atheist. We don’t always need to define ourselves as Catholic but rather as all children of God helping others.

 

[schaeffer]

It certainly wasn’t the Catholic faith, that’s for certain.

Unless you can offer a document from the Catholic Church that forbade Catholics from playing with Protestants?

That your family prohibited you from doing so…well, that’s not the Catholic Church’s fault.

Please reread my post

I said family prohibited me, not the Church.

in a later post I said that when these things happen it’s about the individuals

never stated it was the Church’s fault or even suggested that the church taught that.

In these cases it is rarely the faith/church that teaches “hate” etc…it’s the people.

Sometimes I get so frustrated posting here because it feels like people are purposefully trying to find some way to twist what I say into me spewing falsehoods about the Catholic Church

Maybe some people see hate and attack where there is none. Maybe I’m imagining it myself.

Sorry just tired have a lot going on, and wish that I didn’t have to defend everyone of my posts here with 4 more to explain that I wasn’t attacking the Church.

I was hoping to be part of this community by participating charitably, but it’s too exhausting for me right now.

Best to you, keep fighting the good fight.

 

[PRmerger]

Please reread my post

I said family prohibited me, not the Church.

Fair enough.

Then please 'splain the comment in bold.

I was raised in a family that prohibited me from playing with Protestants. Wanna guess which faith that was?

And please explain how it segues from your previous comment about being raised in a family that prohibited you from playing with Protestants.

I don’t understand.

 

[PaulDupre1]

Please reread my post

I said family prohibited me, not the Church.

in a later post I said that when these things happen it’s about the individuals

never stated it was the Church’s fault or even suggested that the church taught that.

In these cases it is rarely the faith/church that teaches “hate” etc…it’s the people.

Sometimes I get so frustrated posting here because it feels like people are purposefully trying to find some way to twist what I say into me spewing falsehoods about the Catholic Church

Maybe some people see hate and attack where there is none. Maybe I’m imagining it myself.

Sorry just tired have a lot going on, and wish that I didn’t have to defend everyone of my posts here with 4 more to explain that I wasn’t attacking the Church.

I was hoping to be part of this community by participating charitably, but it’s too exhausting for me right now.

Best to you, keep fighting the good fight.

I get it. You weren’t attributing your family’s error to the faith, but to their misuse and misunderstanding of the faith; showing that anyone of any faith, even the true faith, can be a boor.

Don’t stop posting. I very much enjoy your posts and your POV.

Paul

 

[PRmerger]

I get it. You weren’t attributing your family’s error to the faith, but to their misuse and misunderstanding of the faith; showing that anyone of any faith, even the true faith, can be a boor.

I don’t think there is anyone here who was positing something contrary to that.

No one has said that Catholics can’t be boors.
No one has said that Catholics don’t ever misuse and misunderstand the faith.

'Tis true that there are a whole lot of Catholic folks who couldn’t recognize a Catholic teaching if it knocked them down and slapped them in the face.

It’s a great tragedy indeed.

 

[guanophore]

It certainly wasn’t the Catholic faith, that’s for certain.

Unless you can offer a document from the Catholic Church that forbade Catholics from playing with Protestants?

That your family prohibited you from doing so…well, that’s not the Catholic Church’s fault.

Pre-Vatican II the Church was still functioning with Reformation responsive disciplines of this kind. Fraternizing with Protestants was considered a near occasion of sin, since one could become contaminated with their heresies.

It was the “have nothing to do with divisive persons” principle.

206 from the Baltimore Catechism #3:​

Why does a Catholic sin against faith by taking part in non-Catholic worship?
A Catholic sins against faith by taking part in non-CAtholic worship because he thus professes belief in a religion he knows is false.

There is a more indepth answer to this question and the proceeding one which asks “How does a Catholic sin against faith?”

a previous Holy Father has said on the matter, and why, here is what Pope Pius XI said about the matter in His %between%:

1. This being so, it is clear that the Apostolic See cannot on any terms take part in their assemblies, nor is it anyway lawful for Catholics either to support or to work for such enterprises; for if they do so they will be giving countenance to a false Christianity, quite alien to the one Church of Christ. Shall We suffer, what would indeed be iniquitous, the truth, and a truth divinely revealed, to be made a subject for compromise?

And in what manner, We ask, can men who follow contrary opinions, belong to one and the same Federation of the faithful? For example, those who affirm, and those who deny that sacred Tradition is a true fount of divine Revelation;…those who adore Christ really present in the Most Holy Eucharist through that marvelous conversion of the bread and wine, which is called transubstantiation, and those who affirm that Christ is present only by faith or by the signification and virtue of the Sacrament; those who in the Eucharist recognize the nature both of a sacrament and of a sacrifice, and those who say that it is nothing more than the memorial or commemoration of the Lord’s Supper; … How so great a variety of opinions can make the way clear to effect the unity of the Church We know not; that unity can only arise from one teaching authority, one law of belief and one faith of Christians. But We do know that from this it is an easy step to the neglect of religion or indifferentism and to modernism, as they call it.

1. So, Venerable Brethren, it is clear why this Apostolic See has never allowed its subjects to take part in the assemblies of non-Catholics: for the union of Christians can only be promoted by promoting the return to the one true Church of Christ of those who are separated from it, for in the past they have unhappily left it.

I know these are related to services specifically, but some of us were raised with the concept of "lie down with the dog- get up with the fleas.

When I was young there was an SDA family next door, and we were anathema to each other!

 

[PRmerger]

I know these are related to services specifically, but some of us were raised with the concept of "lie down with the dog- get up with the fleas.

It would therefore be incorrect to use the Baltimore Catechism as an example of the Church teaching that Catholics were not allowed to play with Protestants.

That’s just absurd. And I am certain that Our Lord and His Apostles are aghast that His Church, His People, would ever use the Catechism to justify such a provincial and unloving attitude.

 

[drac16]

I think part of it has to do with spiritual pride. C.S. Lewis touches on this in his book ‘Screwtape Letters’. When you’ve got someone who’s zealous and passionate about their faith, Satan uses this as an opportunity to try to puff him/her up with pride. If you give in to that whisper from Satan, you’ll begin to look down on others because they don’t apppear to be as spiritually advanced as you are.

That’s what I’ve seen from some protestants. Catholicism is seen as a primitive and worn out way, whereas Protestantism, to them, is more intellectual and, therefore, takes a higher level of understanding to fully grasp (especially when you get into the T.U.L.I.P stuff, which they loooove to talk about).

 

[schaeffer]

I get it. You weren’t attributing your family’s error to the faith, but to their misuse and misunderstanding of the faith; showing that anyone of any faith, even the true faith, can be a boor.

Don’t stop posting. I very much enjoy your posts and your POV.

Paul

thanks, I appreciate your feedback.

 

[spina1953]

Pre-Vatican II the Church was still functioning with Reformation responsive disciplines of this kind. Fraternizing with Protestants was considered a near occasion of sin, since one could become contaminated with their heresies.

It was the “have nothing to do with divisive persons” principle.

206 from the Baltimore Catechism #3:​

Why does a Catholic sin against faith by taking part in non-Catholic worship?
A Catholic sins against faith by taking part in non-CAtholic worship because he thus professes belief in a religion he knows is false.

There is a more indepth answer to this question and the proceeding one which asks “How does a Catholic sin against faith?”

a previous Holy Father has said on the matter, and why, here is what Pope Pius XI said about the matter in His %between%:

1. This being so, it is clear that the Apostolic See cannot on any terms take part in their assemblies, nor is it anyway lawful for Catholics either to support or to work for such enterprises; for if they do so they will be giving countenance to a false Christianity, quite alien to the one Church of Christ. Shall We suffer, what would indeed be iniquitous, the truth, and a truth divinely revealed, to be made a subject for compromise?

And in what manner, We ask, can men who follow contrary opinions, belong to one and the same Federation of the faithful? For example, those who affirm, and those who deny that sacred Tradition is a true fount of divine Revelation;…those who adore Christ really present in the Most Holy Eucharist through that marvelous conversion of the bread and wine, which is called transubstantiation, and those who affirm that Christ is present only by faith or by the signification and virtue of the Sacrament; those who in the Eucharist recognize the nature both of a sacrament and of a sacrifice, and those who say that it is nothing more than the memorial or commemoration of the Lord’s Supper; … How so great a variety of opinions can make the way clear to effect the unity of the Church We know not; that unity can only arise from one teaching authority, one law of belief and one faith of Christians. But We do know that from this it is an easy step to the neglect of religion or indifferentism and to modernism, as they call it.

1. So, Venerable Brethren, it is clear why this Apostolic See has never allowed its subjects to take part in the assemblies of non-Catholics: for the union of Christians can only be promoted by promoting the return to the one true Church of Christ of those who are separated from it, for in the past they have unhappily left it.

I know these are related to services specifically, but some of us were raised with the concept of "lie down with the dog- get up with the fleas.

When I was young there was an SDA family next door, and we were anathema to each other!

Hi Guanophore: I agree as I remember being in Catholic school and we were not to hang with Protestant kids nor did we sing any Protestant songs. Glad its not that way now but back then in pre Vatican II days it was, maybe not everywhere but it was where I grew up.

 

[PRmerger]

Hi Guanophore: I agree as I remember being in Catholic school and we were not to hang with Protestant kids nor did we sing any Protestant songs. Glad its not that way now but back then in pre Vatican II days it was, maybe not everywhere but it was where I grew up.

It was also “that way” that we didn’t read the Bible.

But neither of those would be a correct praxis.

 

[sallybutler]

Hi Guanophore: I agree as I remember being in Catholic school and we were not to hang with Protestant kids nor did we sing any Protestant songs. Glad its not that way now but back then in pre Vatican II days it was, maybe not everywhere but it was where I grew up.

According to my dad, in the town he grew up in, even the Catholic’s segragated themselves from each other. If you were Irish, you didn’t go to the German Catholic Church. If you were German, you didn’t go to the Irish Catholic Church. Silly, but fairly normal human behavior.

Basically, we all like to stay in our little enclaves. Some people than raise this to the next level and activly dislike, then go onto despising the other enclaves. People who try to be friendly with or understand the other groups are punished within their own group. Different beliefs is often only the excuse we use, it really comes down to ‘it isn’t part of my group that I was born into’ or 'it isn’t part of my group that I decided to become part of".

 

[spina1953]

It was also “that way” that we didn’t read the Bible.

But neither of those would be a correct praxis.

Hi PR merger: I don’t know about that we had to read the Bible every day in school as well as learn Latin and Church Greek.

 

[PRmerger]

Hi PR merger: I don’t know about that we had to read the Bible every day in school as well as learn Latin and Church Greek.

And that’s why all of these examples of Catholic praxis are inutile.

Every single Catholic here can give a testimonial about “this is what we did as Catholics growing up!”

None of the examples would demonstrate anything at all about Catholic teaching.

Except that perhaps people may have misunderstood them or just ignored them.

 

[spina1953]

And that’s why all of these examples of Catholic praxis are inutile.

Every single Catholic here can give a testimonial about “this is what we did as Catholics growing up!”

None of the examples would demonstrate anything at all about Catholic teaching.

Except that perhaps people may have misunderstood them or just ignored them.

Hi PRmerger: True enough. I think that back in the day some taught those type of things but that does not mean that it was what the CC really taught but what some thought it should be not want it is to be. I have nothing against anyone no matter what they believe if they don’t believe as the CC teaches I pray for them.

 

[guanophore]

It would therefore be incorrect to use the Baltimore Catechism as an example of the Church teaching that Catholics were not allowed to play with Protestants.

It would be incorrect for us to do now, since Vatican 2 and the publishing of the new Catechism, but before that, this was a most common stance.

That’s just absurd. And I am certain that Our Lord and His Apostles are aghast that His Church, His People, would ever use the Catechism to justify such a provincial and unloving attitude.

We must not confuse the Church’s discipline of avoiding fellowship with those in schism and heresy as “unloving”.

 

[PRmerger]

It would be incorrect for us to do now, since Vatican 2 and the publishing of the new Catechism, but before that, this was a most common stance.

Again, it was never a teaching.

That there were Catholics who never picked up a Bible, thought it was sinful to laugh with a Protestant, thought that Jews were responsible for killing Christ…well, those are unfortunate examples of people with bad orthopraxy. That ought not be confused with bad orthodoxy.

We must not confuse the Church’s discipline of avoiding fellowship with those in schism and heresy as “unloving”.

This was never a discipline–fellowship was never discouraged. Worshipping with them was.

 

[Sarcelle]

Indeed. Catholics do not believe in “Worship of Mary”–and I as a Catholic certainly do believe that it’s not hating to say “I don’t believe in Worship of Mary!”

I agree it is not hating to say that.

However someone who is really concerned about a Catholic’s salvation would do their homework to find out what Catholics really believe and then engage them from there.

Instead time and time again the old falsities are trotted out. This is really inexcusible, since it relatively easy to find out what Catholics really believe.

 

[Cube2]

It is, but don’t be too hard on Cube2, it is clear he has been indoctrinated by a plethora of anti-Catholic and inaccurate information.

Thanks Guanophore for asking boar2roar to be soft, though at the same time you have claimed that I have been indoctrinated.
My argument is on the basis of the accuracy of doctrinal basis. Catholicism is not bible based, that’s the difference. Much of the teaching and practices are based from the writings of the 2nd - 4th Century AD. The first apostles and Christ’s teachings are squeezed to a very small section.

This is a valid point. Those Christians that clung to the Apostolic faith were always in the minority. I hope that you will read the forum rules, Cube2, and that you will continue to come to CAF, so that your many misunderstandings about the Catholic faith can be corrected.

Guanophore, one thing I have noted is that Catholics from different places have different understandings of the Catholic teachings.