Why do people leave the Catholic Church?

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Thanks for correcting me. I don’t think there’s any doubt that the Catholic Church is hated. And whatever the degree and extent of that hatred it’s sad that some it emanates from non–Catholic Christians.

Disappointedly,
Mick
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Oh, I wasn’t correcting you. I was letting you know what the correct quote was that the other poster gave you (if we are thinking of the same quote) that caused you to ask your question.

Not your fault, how are you supposed to know?

God bless
 
SSTeacher;4842397:
Thanks for correcting me.
Oh, I wasn’t correcting you. I was letting you know what the correct quote was that the other poster gave you (if we are thinking of the same quote) that caused you to ask your question.

Not your fault, how are you supposed to know?

God bless
Okey–Dokey, well, thanks for informing me then.🙂

Appreciatively,
Mick
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As usual, some Catholics just have to slap you around because its Friday or something. I’ve grown used to the abuse. Its common here.
My experience has been different. I’ve encountered no abuse whatsoever from any Catholic as a result of my participation on this site.

Just thought I’d mention it.:bounce:

Sycophantically,
Mick
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The reasons you mentioned for leaving the Church strikes me as interesting until the end I became angry. The part where you said its easy to be a conservative Catholic just follow everything your told.
sambos,

Seems to me that, inasmuch as you have cause to be “angry” with SpiritMeadow for saying
Being a conservative Catholic is easy–you just have to ask what the church tells you to believe.
liberal Catholics have even more cause to be angry with you for saying that they are “robotic”, and that they are “just follow the world and its teaching”. A lot more, in my opinion.
 
SpiritMeadow;4841614:
I thought the forum question was serious, and I replied seriously. As usual, some Catholics just have to slap you around because its Friday or something. I’ve grown used to the abuse. Its common here.
My experience has been different. I’ve encountered no abuse whatsoever from any Catholic as a result of my participation on this site.

Just thought I’d mention it.:bounce:

Sycophantically,
Mick
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Glad to hear it, Mick. As the song says, “tonight thank God it’s them instead of you.”
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Okey–Dokey, well, thanks for informing me then.🙂

Appreciatively,
Mick
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:tiphat: Anytime.
My experience has been different. I’ve encountered no abuse whatsoever from any Catholic as a result of my participation on this site.
Just thought I’d mention it.
Sycophantically,
Mick
People often suppress emotionally traumatic situations. I can certainly understand why you would not remember any abuse on this forum 😃

God bless
 
1 answer to your question. and ONLY one.

The Pope!

Sedevacantist or protestant… etc.

You either believe the pope in question holds the office he claims to hold or you don’t. No other reason aside from specific desire to serve the devil.

Every other reason one might give is smoke and mirrors. If the office of Pope in question isn’t the rock it claims to be than the Roman Catholic religion as taught by the pope in question and magesterium in question is a lie and therefore morally disgusting.

OR the office of Pope in question is the rock the church is built upon and each and every other religion on the face of the planet not built upon this rock is morally disgusting.

There is absolutely no comprimise between the 2 answers to this question. Darkness and Light ABSOLUTELY do not mix.
Hi agent_grey,

Thanks for the post. You just reminded me of a great anecdote that Dr. Anthony Dragani told. (You might remember him from his work for EWTN’s Q&A webpage.)
Regarding the Papacy, it is a profound blessing from God. Unfortunately, WE Catholics sometimes present it in the worst light possible. Allow me to give you an example:

A year or so ago I was eating dinner with a fellow Catholic. We were discussing matters of religion, and an Asian gentleman heard the conversation. He politely introduced himself, and wanted to learn what Catholicism was. He was a recent immigrant from Asia, and was nominally Buddhist. He asked us what Catholics believe. Before I had a chance, my friend answered:

“We believe in the Pope! Everyone must obey him in order to be saved.”

This line of conversation went on for several minutes, with my friend emphasizing the necessity of “submission to Rome.” There was no mention of Jesus or the Gospel message. This Asian man was noticeably disturbed, and quickly excused himself before I could get more than a word in. That was a lost opportunity.
 
I agree with all of that. It does seem to me, though, that going from Protestantism to Catholicism requires more “work,” than the reverse, and so people are more likely to make a properly informed choice.
Makes sense. 🙂
 
Why do people leave the Catholic Church?
Ignorance.

I nearly left the Church because I was raised in a progressivist parish in the 60’s and 70’s and didn’t know enough to make me want to stay. They wanted to break away from everything traditional–like real Catechism classes. How many of my generation of Catholics are still out there floundering or have already fallen away just because they never found out what they had? Ignorance to the point that they/we didn’t even know how little we knew.

It’s the same reason so many people refuse to consider coming into the Church. If everyone knew the truth, would anyone leave? If people weren’t being taught so many untruths, would they have any reason to stay away?
 
I can only relate the experience. My friend and her husband had converted to Catholicism and were most happy. Their priest was transferred. He had been liberal and they had had many private chats and he assured them that they were able to disagree with the Church on the issues in question. The new priest announced that everyone must believe every word of the CCC and if they couldn’t, they should not come forward for communion until they could.
I have questions:

Where is the “Deny yourself” in just believing whatever you choose to? Isn’t that actually indulging yourself? Jesus told us that the path to the Kingdom is not wide - it’s narrow, requiring sacrifice and denial of the self.

Isn’t disagreeing with (some of) the contents of the CCC essentially making yourself smarter than almost 2,000 years of Spirit-lead theologians? These are serious matters.
 
The topic is why do people leave the catholic church.
Good point. 🙂 Unfortunately, if you read other threads that I’ve posted on, you’ll find that I’m actually on-topic less then 90% percent of the time. 😦 😉
 
People often suppress emotionally traumatic situations. I can certainly understand why you would not remember any abuse on this forum 😃

God bless
It appears that you’ve correctly diagnosed my condition. I believe in freedom of suppression.😉

I’d like to add that not only have I not experienced abuse I’ve also had Catholics engage me with private messages. Those Catholics were clearly motivated by a desire to be encouraging. I’ve been thinking about why that is (since others complain about abuse – perhaps even with justification) and I’ve come to the conclusion that it must be because I’ve made it clear that I’m inquiring into the truth claims of the Catholic Church. My motive is therefore out in the open and I guess that makes me non–threatening and therefore more likely to be treated with gentleness and respect.

But I see no good reason why any former Catholic who has had the courage to personalize his or her answer to the question as to why people leave the Catholic Church should come under attack as a result of making known his or her life experience.

Cordially.
Mick
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I haven’t read every post, so this might be redundant. Please forgive me if it is. Also, the following is based only on my observations of people I know.

Divorce and remarriage. The absolutely number one reason. Very few people have left the Church in my parish for any other reason. Almost invariably, it’s the man who leaves his wife for another woman, marries her and leaves the Church; usually for the new wife’s church.

Terrible catechetics, usually at home. These are almost always young people, the children of parents who appear pretty indifferent or perhaps even dissident. I do not know the rate at which they come back, but obviously some do. Hard to keep track of them.
 
How could you be recieving Dominican Orders if you’re married?
I had not proceeded that far. I was admitted to become a postulant. It was of course before I married.
The reasons you mentioned for leaving the Church strikes me as interesting until the end I became angry. The part where you said its easy to be a conservative Catholic just follow everything your told. To insinuate that conservative Catholics are nothing more than robots not thinking for themselves. I find it offensive. When I could say the same about liberal Catholics. They believe what ever the media tells them such as Homosexuality is ok and God doesn’t really find fault with it. Or that Women and Men being equal means that they are the same thing. When they are biologically not the same. That sex is inevitable among young people so its ok as long as they use contraception. Or that having children is wrong and not under the precepts of God. Liberal Catholics just follow the world and its teaching. Not Christ’s. The bible is very clear about certain issues but many just don’t want to see it because it offends their sensibilities. So who is robotic? Conservatives or Liberals? I’ve traveled the world. I speak several languages. I’ve a graduate education. I think. I teach my kids to think. To make quantitative decisions. To assume just because someone is conservative means they blindly follow someone is absurd.
Now that I got that off my chest. I find that your statement was rude. Your doctinal beliefs are not so much that as your social beliefs. God is love but not to the exclusion of permissiveness. God is also Justice and Judgement. Beware taking him lightly.
Let me ask you this. Do you find is as offensive when Roman Catholics claim that the reason God allows Protestantism is because unlike themselves, many people find Roman Catholicism too hard? Thus they need a watered down version of faith that is easier for them? If you do, then I would happily agree that I was too harsh. But in general I would claim that it is easier to accept doctrine that is decided for you rather than have to go through the very long process of studying, praying, and investigating for oneself. There are countless threads wherein someone here has a question and begins it thus:
“I have no idea if the Church has a position on this or not. If it does, I of course agree with the Church.”

That does not sound like proper use of one’s God given brain.

As to the issue of homosexuality and women. I believe that if the scriptures are properly understood, that they present no bar to loving homosexual union. I believe that women WERE leaders in the early church and that their contributions have been largely covered up and surpressed. I believe there is no biblical prohibition to women’s ordination, and that on the contrary it was assumed in the early church.

To say that I support the use of contraception or its availabilty is not to suggest that I support wanton sexual behavior on the part of children. Fully 90% of all Catholics use contraception. I find nothing in the bible that requires that we burden the planet to the point that we don’t care for all people simple to procreate.

Sex is inevitable between humans and that has always been the case. A healthy understanding of it, coupled with proper and full education always ends up doing more to prevent unwanted pregnancies, abortion and the transmission of STD’s. At least this seems clear from ennumerable studies and is why that more and more states are opting out of “abstinence only” funding.

The question was put to us why those of us who left did so. The fact that my reasonings are not yours does not make them rude. Other than the one sentence which I agree was provacative, the rest was simply my reasoning. You may find my reasons unacceptable, and I would expect you to, but that was not the issue was it.

You are entitled to your opinion. I could as easily say that most of your post went to denegrating liberals. Should I call that rude too? Or is that merely you stating your opinion?
 
Ah, I think I understand better now. The issue with this conservative priest you speak of isn’t the fact that he’s conservative (nothing wrong with that, you know) but rather the fact that he’s a self-styled pope.
I really couldn’t say, since it did not happen to me. But on balance I agree I believe with what you say. I per se have no qualms with conservatives in the Church. I think a healthy balance is essential. What we have here at CAF is something beyond conservativism. Some here go so far beyond RCC teaching that it is both unhealthy and well, frankly, it drives people away rather than convinces them they are wrong. I think that priest did that, he drove away people who potentially would have stayed. Timothy, has some rather good things to say about how we should teach. It doesn;t include hitting people in the head with a hammer.
 
SpiritMeadow, Thank you very much for your post - I found it very moving and can identify with a number of your reasons for those were my reaons for leaving another Christian Church. For me finally the number of differences between what I believed and the church’s doctrine became too wide.

For me leaving was also precipated by a change of Minister from one who encouraged parishioners to think for themselves to one who did not. (I have no problems with people having other ideas as long as they are thought out and they do not ram them down my throat),

Also identify with your feeling of hypocrisy of remaining and yes, we only have so much energy and we have to decide the best use for it.

Agree, and know, that being a liberal in a conservative organisation is difficult, whether it is a church or not. Liberals are usually the ones who have to justify their being there - conservatives have automatic membership.

I am pleased you have found a place that works for you intellectually, spiritually and ritually.
Thanks for the kind words. I get few as you might expect. But that is no matter. I think that liberals can be just as unkind and ugly however should the circumstances be reversed. It is one of the things that the feminist movement warned against, and I’m not at all sure they have been successful. They want a place at the table, but not to simply be the “men.” They want to introduce a new way of working together.

I would seek that as a liberal. But of course that is hard, since we tend to fall back, on both sides, to the usual stereotypes. I am now told by a person who doesn’t know me, that my reasons are not doctrinal but social. Yet he or she knows absolutely nothing about the educatiion I have received, where, and what types of study I have pursued. The ironic thing is that most of my conclusions on doctrine have come from Catholic theologians and biblical experts. I have been until recently rather loathe to venture into much Protestant theology at all, but for a few well known exceptions.

Of course, our conservative brethren here would all accuse them of being heretical Catholics, so there never is a basis of conversation.
 
I am sad to hear that… I am one of those people who some might be seen as a little bit “liberal”…but yet I am much more “conservative” than most people I know.

But frankly, I have never been very inclined to worry about the opinions or judgments of other people… nor have I ever worried about the “assumptions” that others make… I don’t discuss my beliefs or politics with people, other than possibly here, so people around me are left “wondering”.

People are people, and if you put two or more in the middle of a parking lot on a clear sunny day, and ask them to tell you what the color of the sky is…you have a 50% or better chance of them debating or even arguing about what shade of “blue” the sky is… Take them out of the parking lot, and put them in a church…and what do you expect to happen?

So, my advice to people…is “Don’t sweat the small stuff”… Instead…concentrate on whats “important”.
Oh would that that could happen here! I just got done reading on another thread that a person got 5 Martyr points because I called his continuing calling of me a heretic because I am Anglican, “disgusting.” Some of us rather suspected this was not a level playing field. Now the cat is out of the bag it seems.

That seems essentially the problem. We can’t discuss issues, because we can’ get past the initial arguments. Catholics are no doubt tired of being accused of worshiping Mary, which they don’t, and we are tired of being called heretics and having no real sacraments. These are matters in the end of opinion rather than fact.

perhaps it is the nature of a forum devoted to apologetics rather than discussion. Saint Dominic began the process of teaching the clergy their faith so they could 'defend" it. It has now been preverted to a point where one makes up the “best” scenario argument to sustain the church’s position regardless whether it holds water or not. In fact, often it is not the church’s position at all but the individual’s interpretation of it. And when I speak of church, I mean no particular denomination.
 
My experience has been different. I’ve encountered no abuse whatsoever from any Catholic as a result of my participation on this site.

Just thought I’d mention it.:bounce:

Sycophantically,
Mick
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Very glad to here that. But I have lost tons of fellow posters here, due to being banned for “uncharitable” comments. The same doesn’t occur on the other side. I am called names here a lot. And now of course we find that the worst offenders actually get martyr points for calling us names.
 
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