Why do people leave the Catholic Church?

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hosemonkey:
I know exactly the genesis of the “Protestant Reformation.”
The Nazis, Stalin and Pol Pot took men’s lives, the “Protestant Reformation” took men’s souls.
Now, now, now.

As a protestant, I’ve learned that Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus doesn’t really mean that, and since Vatican II, protestants are now your separated brethren.

I’m assuming that’s retroactive to the Reformation, so the Reformation really didn’t take men’s souls because separated brethren can obtain salus Extra Ecclesiam.

But, we all know that could change. :ehh:
 
Do you think the people who have left the Catholic Church because of the words propagated by some Protestants subsequently convert to some form of Protestantism or do you suppose that they lose interest in spiritual matters altogether?

Musingly,
Mick
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They convert to Protestantism, due to misinformation, and as I said before the lies propagated by some.
 
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Hisalone:
You guys insist on trying to hijack this threads with your off topic spew.
Answering a comment is not in my view hijcking a thread. In a couple of cases where the accuation of hijacking (on other threads) have been validly around the corner I have started new threads.

Also I think people do have the right of reply - otherwise all sort of erroneous comments/facts could be posted without being corrected.

Maybe its the content you dislike - using such an emotive and insulting term as “spew” suggests this could be the reason.
 
Train children in the right way, and when old, they will not stray. It’s a biblical injunction and doubtless makes sense to most parents.

Allow me to ask this. You referred in your post above to “verse–spouting and lies and half–truths by predatory protestants.” Is it your considered opinion that these Protestants are aware that they are telling lies and half–truths i.e. that they are willfully and purposefully indulging in deceit with a full knowledge of what they are doing?

Curiously,
Mick
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It is my considered opinion that most protestants know very little about the true beliefs of the Catholic Church. They THINK that they know, but very seldom have gone beyond a very superficial knowlege of catholicism. Their information is derived from hearsay, the faulty teaching of poorly educated or self-taught “pastors,” or plain malice. Some, in the Jack Chick mode, deliberately lie, but most fondly believe what they say. As far as verse-spouting, most protestants have a set of bible verses that they trot out when attacking Catholicism. If you force them to go beyond those few verses or force them to place those verses in context, they are at a loss. Also, they are stuck by the fact that the Church operates on both the Word of God AND Sacred Tradition. And they refuse to accept that this is entirely Biblical. I lived in the Bible-Belt, and had to endure much mistaken ideas about Catholicism. I spent much time simply correcting mis-information. Made a few converts, but mostly corrected bad information. For those with open minds, you can make real progress, but there are a lot of closed minds out there, even when their very souls depend on it.
 
Answering a comment is not in my view hijcking a thread. In a couple of cases where the accuation of hijacking (on other threads) have been validly around the corner I have started new threads.

Also I think people do have the right of reply - otherwise all sort of erroneous comments/facts could be posted without being corrected.

Maybe its the content you dislike - using such an emotive and insulting term as “spew” suggests this could be the reason.
He answered in a way to slander Protestants and to turn the subject to the Reformation and away from the OP. Do you not think comparing Protestans to the Nazis to stalin is not “emotive”. He is a nasty nasty man why are you defending him?
 
Nobody is led by God into heresy and disobedience. The Adversary is the only one doing that.
What heresy? That Church offices shouldnt be bought and sold? That people shouldnt be tortured and killed because they disagree with you? That indulgences shouldnt be sold? That salvation is by faith and not by works?
 
It is my considered opinion that most protestants know very little about the true beliefs of the Catholic Church. They THINK that they know, but very seldom have gone beyond a very superficial knowlege of catholicism. Their information is derived from hearsay, the faulty teaching of poorly educated or self-taught “pastors,” or plain malice. Some, in the Jack Chick mode, deliberately lie, but most fondly believe what they say. As far as verse-spouting, most protestants have a set of bible verses that they trot out when attacking Catholicism. If you force them to go beyond those few verses or force them to place those verses in context, they are at a loss. Also, they are stuck by the fact that the Church operates on both the Word of God AND Sacred Tradition. And they refuse to accept that this is entirely Biblical. I lived in the Bible-Belt, and had to endure much mistaken ideas about Catholicism. I spent much time simply correcting mis-information. Made a few converts, but mostly corrected bad information. For those with open minds, you can make real progress, but there are a lot of closed minds out there, even when their very souls depend on it.
Thank you. I accept your analysis but I note that you’ve omitted to answer my question. I now invite you to focus on it and address it.

Respectfully,
Mick
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You cannot read isolated verses without understanding the entire context of what Paul is saying here. First he believed that Christ’s return was immenent. He urged those who were single to remain so, not because it was better overall, but because it was better at this moment. Everyone must be in preparation for Christ’s return.

Paul was attempted to explain that the minds of the Corinthians must be away from worldly issues of marriage and such, and turned toward preparing for God. That is why he counsels that people should make no changes in their lives. Some Corinthians believed that they should all become celibate. Paul tells them no, marriage is a responsibility wherein both spouses owe each other, and one party cannot withhold sex from the other.

This was a specific dispute, Paul is not giving a general discourse on family life.

One need only look to his close association with Aquila and Prisca, a married couple whom he worked with in spreading the message of Jesus.

He makes it clear that singleness is a special gift of God, not one all or even most are to seek.
I am not reading isolated verses. Paul was quite clear in that verse that he prefers celibacy to marriage. Paul’s conclusion He who marries does well and he who refraims from marriage will do better.

Paul is not the only one to teach this. Matt 19:10 If such is the case of a an with his wife it is not expedient to marry. THis remark prompted Jesus teaching on the value of celibacy for the sake of the kingdom. He who is able to receive this, let him recieve it. Matt 19:11-12

This sort of celibacy for the kingdom of God is not granted to all, or even most people but is granted to some.
 
This thread is now closed.

It would be a good exercise for many of the posters here to review their charity and posting style as part of a Lenten reflection.
 
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