Why do people say Unity is good

[GaryTaylor]

Or reverting back to an earlier stage of our human development … neanderthalism.

Well, between the welfare, food-stamps, unemployment and financial stability it seems clear people by large don’t really see the issue, many believe in this administration. Many people feel we would fair better on a larger scale of world intervention. Many don’t care and the rest are chasing pleasure…me.me.me.me, When you only care about yourself its no secret others can be objectified and people are immune to this. Its the going teaching in the USA objectify and exploit. And its so ingrained the mass is being objectified and exploited and don’t see it, should be no surprise. Why would they object to their own lifestyle?

We don’t have time,

“The elitist organization, which meets on an annual basis in either Europe, the United States or Canada, is comprised of some of the most powerful heavyweights of industry, banking, politics, royalty, academia and technology. Last year, the likes of Jeff Bezos, Timothy Geithner, Christine Lagarde, Henry Kissinger, Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands, and British Prime Minister David Cameron were all in attendance”.

google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.infowars.com%2Fbilderberg-2014-uncovered-secretive-elite-to-meet-in-denmark%2F&ei=yqSBU9JDkcmxBLr7ghg&usg=AFQjCNG70dYe-Cv2OpKqYc_S-8ErDpxLbw&sig2=_m8HUUOAolRjj0FJV7hx8A&bvm=bv.67720277,d.cWc

I believe the individual goal of the country was compromised by personal agenda and while I appreciate their concern they need to be removed from the social political arena of at least US politics.

Occupy wall street wasn’t wrong in pointing out this issue. They were by large puppets without understanding of the dynamics or solutions. But they correctly identified the issue.

Look at our secular public education vs social service-medical. Its a horror show. We continue to say “its all right” look at Africa and such and such. I’m not concerned with comparative nonsense. Results, and none have been forth coming, a fictitious bone is thrown at the public intentional to insure any doubts they might have while picking up their food stamps. We turned the corner and this or that is better. Its all a lie which to listen to will seal your fate.

And the penal system, is all profit orientated. We intentionally introduce these people to institutional abuse and trauma and its about blood money, just as the abortion is.

Listen here’s the problem, which I refuse to listen too, is that people are under the impression this will be a slow decline with time to adjust. We do not know that, and in fact change could occur overnight and could be as drastic as stepping off a cliff. You may go to the bank in the AM and your dollars may be converted to monopoly money.

Most people who participate here to any degree understand, they are informed. This just isn’t so for a good of our population. And the blind is who is being appealed to, racial, poverty, medial, gay rights, are all good agendas incorrectly promoted to serve the larger agenda.

The US will be a very different place in 2-decades and the US will be destroyed as we have known it. This will be a police state and civil war will come, and unfortunately there will be much more suffering to come.

An than there is the other side of ignorance which embrace the plan and thinks Iran should drop a few nuclear makeshift bombs in a US city or two.

For someone in there 20’s or so. I would be gravely concerned over the life you will living here in 2-decades and leaving for the children. You won’t be able to ignore and withdraw and pretend your little world is fine.

 

[TEPO]

Well, between the welfare, food-stamps, unemployment and financial stability it seems clear people by large don’t really see the issue, many believe in this administration. Many people feel we would fair better on a larger scale of world intervention. Many don’t care and the rest are chasing pleasure…me.me.me.me, When you only care about yourself its no secret others can be objectified and people are immune to this. Its the going teaching in the USA objectify and exploit. And its so ingrained the mass is being objectified and exploited and don’t see it, should be no surprise. Why would they object to their own lifestyle?

We don’t have time,

“The elitist organization, which meets on an annual basis in either Europe, the United States or Canada, is comprised of some of the most powerful heavyweights of industry, banking, politics, royalty, academia and technology. Last year, the likes of Jeff Bezos, Timothy Geithner, Christine Lagarde, Henry Kissinger, Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands, and British Prime Minister David Cameron were all in attendance”.

google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.infowars.com%2Fbilderberg-2014-uncovered-secretive-elite-to-meet-in-denmark%2F&ei=yqSBU9JDkcmxBLr7ghg&usg=AFQjCNG70dYe-Cv2OpKqYc_S-8ErDpxLbw&sig2=_m8HUUOAolRjj0FJV7hx8A&bvm=bv.67720277,d.cWc

I believe the individual goal of the country was compromised by personal agenda and while I appreciate their concern they need to be removed from the social political arena of at least US politics.

Occupy wall street wasn’t wrong in pointing out this issue. They were by large puppets without understanding of the dynamics or solutions. But they correctly identified the issue.

Look at our secular public education vs social service-medical. Its a horror show. We continue to say “its all right” look at Africa and such and such. I’m not concerned with comparative nonsense. Results, and none have been forth coming, a fictitious bone is thrown at the public intentional to insure any doubts they might have while picking up their food stamps. We turned the corner and this or that is better. Its all a lie which to listen to will seal your fate.

And the penal system, is all profit orientated. We intentionally introduce these people to institutional abuse and trauma and its about blood money, just as the abortion is.

Listen here’s the problem, which I refuse to listen too, is that people are under the impression this will be a slow decline with time to adjust. We do not know that, and in fact change could occur overnight and could be as drastic as stepping off a cliff. You may go to the bank in the AM and your dollars may be converted to monopoly money.

Most people who participate here to any degree understand, they are informed. This just isn’t so for a good of our population. And the blind is who is being appealed to, racial, poverty, medial, gay rights, are all good agendas incorrectly promoted to serve the larger agenda.

The US will be a very different place in 2-decades and the US will be destroyed as we have known it. This will be a police state and civil war will come, and unfortunately there will be much more suffering to come.

An than there is the other side of ignorance which embrace the plan and thinks Iran should drop a few nuclear makeshift bombs in a US city or two.

For someone in there 20’s or so. I would be gravely concerned over the life you will living here in 2-decades and leaving for the children. You won’t be able to ignore and withdraw and pretend your little world is fine.

Gary, you’ve gone straight to the core issues and exposed them… Good job. my hat is off to you. :tiphat:

 

[GaryTaylor]

Gary, you’ve gone straight to the core issues and exposed them… Good job. my hat is off to you. :tiphat:

Look at the young man in Calif. Perfect example of the path. His behavior becomes immediately, the police, guns and everything but the root of the on-going disease, and intentionally by the media to medicate the mass and promote a fated agenda. And they go for it every time.

Even rats know when to jump off a sinking ship. The root of this problem isn’t going to be easy to change, and as you see no-one has a quick solution. Its no different than for example the Church and re-evangelizing from within first. Same as with the states, re-teaching morality is just going to take time and we are running out of it. Inside the Church in America is no different as you pointed out. The only possible solution is to continue to point out the moral-thinking-agenda and hopefully this permeates outward.

 

[Servant19]

Some pretty nice entries, fancy as well. Agree with the thinking other then exactly how the question about the tree’s shadowing the grass and so on. The reply got into governing and so on. I thought you were going to reply the tree’s relative to the grass, are the same as different plants and their colors in a garden, where the rays from the sun is perfectly filtered for their becoming. Anyway in general , relative to the topic if a system is comfortable with Peace on Earth, it may be difficult to discriminate away from Unity on Earth.

I think the analogy of us being different flowers in the one garden has been over-analysed possibly? (but I do think it can stand to further analysis)

The reality of life is that there are differing degrees of existence. Every human being has been given different talents and capacities and they all have a role to play within society. If their focus is God (rather than other people) then it becomes clear that trying to fulfill your God-given talents and capacities is all that is expected of you.

Yes, using the analogy, some people may be trees, some may be bushes, but there is room for ALL to ensure the garden is always beautiful and we are fulfilling the Will of the Father by functioning to our capacities.

The critical point is that within the garden, preferential treatment is not the RIGHT of the tree over the bush. If the resources of the garden are creating a situation whereby some aspects of the garden are suffering, then by definition the Law of God, enacted by the “institutions” will modify the circumstances to ensure balance is swiftly restored.

If I may, I will share with you the vision of a united global order as envisioned by Baha’u’llah in the post below…



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[Servant19]

Unification of the whole of mankind is the hall-mark of the stage which human society is now approaching. Unity of family, of tribe, of city-state, and nation have been successively attempted and fully established. World unity is the goal towards which a harassed humanity is striving. Nation-building has come to an end. The anarchy inherent in state sovereignty is moving towards a climax. A world, growing to maturity, must abandon this fetish, recognize the oneness and wholeness of human relationships, and establish once for all the machinery that can best incarnate this fundamental principle of its life.

“A new life,” Bahá’u’lláh proclaims, “is, in this age, stirring within all the peoples of the earth; and yet none hath discovered its cause, or perceived its motive.” “O ye children of men,” He thus addresses His generation, “the fundamental purpose animating the Faith of God and His Religion is to safeguard the interests and promote the unity of the human race… This is the straight path, the fixed and immovable foundation. Whatsoever is raised on this foundation, the changes and chances of the world can never impair its strength, nor will the revolution of countless centuries undermine its structure.” “The well-being of mankind,” He declares, “its peace and security are unattainable unless and until its unity is firmly established.” “So powerful is the light of unity,” is His further testimony, “that it can illuminate the whole earth. The one true God, He Who knoweth all things, Himself testifieth to the truth of these words… This goal excelleth every other goal, and this aspiration is the monarch of all aspirations.” “He Who is your Lord, the All-Merciful,” He, moreover, has written, “cherisheth in His heart the desire of beholding the entire human race as one soul and one body. Haste ye to win your share of God’s good grace and mercy in this Day that eclipseth all other created days.”

The unity of the human race, as envisaged by Bahá’u’lláh, implies the establishment of a world commonwealth in which all nations, races, creeds and classes are closely and permanently united, and in which the autonomy of its state members and the personal freedom and initiative of the individuals that compose them are definitely and completely safeguarded. This commonwealth must, as far as we can visualize it, consist of a world legislature, whose members will, as the trustees of the whole of mankind, ultimately control the entire resources of all the component nations, and will enact such laws as shall be required to regulate the life, satisfy the needs and adjust the relationships of all races and peoples. A world executive, backed by an international Force, will carry out the decisions arrived at, and apply the laws enacted by, this world legislature, and will safeguard the organic unity of the whole commonwealth. A world tribunal will adjudicate and deliver its compulsory and final verdict in all and any disputes that may arise between the various elements constituting this universal system. A mechanism of world inter-communication will be devised, embracing the whole planet, freed from national hindrances and restrictions, and functioning with marvellous swiftness and perfect regularity. A world metropolis will act as the nerve center of a world civilization, the focus towards which the unifying forces of life will converge and from which its energizing influences will radiate. A world language will either be invented or chosen from among the existing languages and will be taught in the schools of all the federated nations as an auxiliary to their mother tongue. A world script, a world literature, a uniform and universal system of currency, of weights and measures, will simplify and facilitate intercourse and understanding among the nations and races of mankind. In such a world society, science and religion, the two most potent forces in human life, will be reconciled, will cöoperate, and will harmoniously develop. The press will, under such a system, while giving full scope to the expression of the diversified views and convictions of mankind, cease to be mischievously manipulated by vested interests, whether private or public, and will be liberated from the influence of contending governments and peoples. The economic resources of the world will be organized, its sources of raw materials will be tapped and fully utilized, its markets will be cöordinated and developed, and the distribution of its products will be equitably regulated.

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[Servant19]

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National rivalries, hatreds, and intrigues will cease, and racial animosity and prejudice will be replaced by racial amity, understanding and cöoperation. The causes of religious strife will be permanently removed, economic barriers and restrictions will be completely abolished, and the inordinate distinction between classes will be obliterated. Destitution on the one hand, and gross accumulation of ownership on the other, will disappear. The enormous energy dissipated and wasted on war, whether economic or political, will be consecrated to such ends as will extend the range of human inventions and technical development, to the increase of the productivity of mankind, to the extermination of disease, to the extension of scientific research, to the raising of the standard of physical health, to the sharpening and refinement of the human brain, to the exploitation of the unused and unsuspected resources of the planet, to the prolongation of human life, and to the furtherance of any other agency that can stimulate the intellectual, the moral, and spiritual life of the entire human race.
A world federal system, ruling the whole earth and exercising unchallengeable authority over its unimaginably vast resources, blending and embodying the ideals of both the East and the West, liberated from the curse of war and its miseries, and bent on the exploitation of all the available sources of energy on the surface of the planet, a system in which Force is made the servant of Justice, whose life is sustained by its universal recognition of one God and by its allegiance to one common Revelation—such is the goal towards which humanity, impelled by the unifying forces of life, is moving.

“One of the great events,” affirms ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, “which is to occur in the Day of the manifestation of that incomparable Branch is the hoisting of the Standard of God among all nations. By this is meant that all nations and kindreds will be gathered together under the shadow of this Divine Banner, which is no other than the Lordly Branch itself, and will become a single nation. Religious and sectarian antagonism, the hostility of races and peoples, and differences among nations, will be eliminated. All men will adhere to one religion, will have one common faith, will be blended into one race and become a single people. All will dwell in one common fatherland, which is the planet itself.” “Now, in the world of being,” He has moreover explained, “the Hand of Divine power hath firmly laid the foundations of this all-highest bounty, and this wondrous gift. Whatsoever is latent in the innermost of this holy Cycle shall gradually appear and be made manifest, for now is but the beginning of its growth, and the dayspring of the revelation of its signs. Ere the close of this century and of this age, it shall be made clear and evident how wondrous was that spring-tide, and how heavenly was that gift.”

No less enthralling is the vision of Isaiah, the greatest of the Hebrew Prophets, predicting, as far back as twenty five hundred years ago, the destiny which mankind must, at its stage of maturity, achieve: “And He (the Lord) shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more …And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots… And he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins. The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together… And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice’s den. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.”

reference.bahai.org/en/t/se/WOB/wob-56.html

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[TEPO]

The ideal of a united world governance assumes that Gods one garden is here in this mortal world. That is a grave misunderstanding.

It is also a misunderstanding to force peace through the destruction of diversity. Unity by itself is unnatural. Things that are unnatural do not work in a terrestrial universe. You cannot reach Eternal Law without the Natural Law. They are connected.

…like a puppet masters hand controls a puppet with strings, Gods Eternal law controls the Natural Law with strings. You cannot cut the strings and expect this to function.

 

[orang]

I think the analogy of us being different flowers in the one garden has been over-analysed possibly? (but I do think it can stand to further analysis)

The reality of life is that there are differing degrees of existence. Every human being has been given different talents and capacities and they all have a role to play within society. If their focus is God (rather than other people) then it becomes clear that trying to fulfill your God-given talents and capacities is all that is expected of you.

Yes, using the analogy, some people may be trees, some may be bushes, but there is room for ALL to ensure the garden is always beautiful and we are fulfilling the Will of the Father by functioning to our capacities.

The critical point is that within the garden, preferential treatment is not the RIGHT of the tree over the bush. If the resources of the garden are creating a situation whereby some aspects of the garden are suffering, then by definition the Law of God, enacted by the “institutions” will modify the circumstances to ensure balance is swiftly restored.

If I may, I will share with you the vision of a united global order as envisioned by Baha’u’llah in the post below…



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I was going to introduce talents and abilities last night but wanted to see what you thought , how things are translated in the over all.

Last paragraph, exactly people with y ability do not become more preferred just because.

So its appreciation , appreciation in the vast diversity of individuals, background, talent , abilities and so on, appreciation is lacking in a troubled world…does this make sense to the philosophy ?

If so…people can be told and guided toward appreciation with other’s but don’t think it is something which can actually be forced or governed. What happens is something different then appreciation, that being tolerance, a put up with. ( education problem as well ?

So man is trapped to appreciate, else go backwards in progress, harmony, peace, unity, security.

So its not a disagreement or even big point, other then introducing the attribute appreciation as a property of what might be called joy, love the neighbor , all that. Appreciation, unity, peace, diversity, acceptance ( moderation), being very interconnected. Need to get going and will read more in thread later tonight.

 

[Servant19]

The ideal of a united world governance assumes that Gods one garden is here in this mortal world. That is a grave misunderstanding.

I agree with you that the Kingdom of God resides in the hearts of His loved ones

However, if there is an “ever-advancing civilization” especially with spiritual advancements, then a time can be foreseen where “on earth as it is in heaven” becomes a reality, as well as “and the government shall be upon His shoulders”. I cannot percieve a “government” as such in the Kingdom of heaven.

My humble understanding

It is also a misunderstanding to force peace through the destruction of diversity.

I agree totally, nothing can be forced, but through education, people can be inspired and empowered

Diversity must be retained, it is a reflection of Gods beauty.

Unity by itself is unnatural.

I’m not sure I understand …would you mind elaborating here please dear friend?

I was under the impression that hydrogen and water can naturally unite to form water, but I would like to hear your perspective

 

[Servant19]

I was going to introduce talents and abilities last night but wanted to see what you thought , how things are translated in the over all.

Last paragraph, exactly people with y ability do not become more preferred just because.

So its appreciation , appreciation in the vast diversity of individuals, background, talent , abilities and so on, appreciation is lacking in a troubled world…does this make sense to the philosophy ?

If so…people can be told and guided toward appreciation with other’s but don’t think it is something which can actually be forced or governed. What happens is something different then appreciation, that being tolerance, a put up with. ( education problem as well ?

So man is trapped to appreciate, else go backwards in progress, harmony, peace, unity, security.

So its not a disagreement or even big point, other then introducing the attribute appreciation as a property of what might be called joy, love the neighbor , all that. Appreciation, unity, peace, diversity, acceptance ( moderation), being very interconnected. Need to get going and will read more in thread later tonight.

Appreciation, reverence, sanctity



Great post

I tend to look at it this way:

Jane can reach 100 in her life
John can reach 30 in his life

Currently Jane is at stage 55 and John is at stage 26. In terms of his latent capacities, John is well ahead of Jane, but to mortal eyes, Jane is the “special one”…not in God’s eyes

(hope that makes sense?)

 

[orang]

Appreciation, reverence, sanctity



Great post

I tend to look at it this way:

Jane can reach 100 in her life
John can reach 30 in his life

Currently Jane is at stage 55 and John is at stage 26. In terms of his latent capacities, John is well ahead of Jane, but to mortal eyes, Jane is the “special one”…not in God’s eyes

(hope that makes sense?)

Thanks for the good words, I was sitting here thinking what is the term latent capacities all about.

Looking up words and terms, going back to Jane and John , and then I finally got it.

Its a good analogy for the fast paced world. Attention to earnest, perseverance & courage . I havn’t read everything in the thread yet , I think there are more quotes from the philosophies wise thinkers, which Ive really enjoyed.

 

[Servant19]

Thanks for the good words, I was sitting here thinking what is the term latent capacities all about.

Looking up words and terms, going back to Jane and John , and then I finally got it.

Its a good analogy for the fast paced world. Attention to earnest, perseverance & courage . I havn’t read everything in the thread yet , I think there are more quotes from the philosophies wise thinkers, which Ive really enjoyed.

Latent capacities…

"The whole duty of man in this Day is to attain that share of the flood of grace which God poureth forth for him. Let none, therefore, consider the largeness or smallness of the receptacle. The portion of some might lie in the palm of a man’s hand, the portion of others might fill a cup, and of others even a gallon-measure.

Every eye, in this Day, should seek what will best promote the Cause of God. He, Who is the Eternal Truth, beareth Me witness! Nothing whatever can, in this Day, inflict a greater harm upon this Cause than dissension and strife, contention, estrangement and apathy, among the loved ones of God. Flee them, through the power of God and His sovereign aid, and strive ye to knit together the hearts of men, in His Name, the Unifier, the All-Knowing, the All-Wise.

Beseech ye the one true God to grant that ye may taste the savor of such deeds as are performed in His path, and partake of the sweetness of such humility and submissiveness as are shown for His sake. Forget your own selves, and turn your eyes towards your neighbor. Bend your energies to whatever may foster the education of men. Nothing is, or can ever be, hidden from God. If ye follow in His way, His incalculable and imperishable blessings will be showered upon you. This is the luminous Tablet, whose verses have streamed from the moving Pen of Him Who is the Lord of all worlds. Ponder it in your hearts, and be ye of them that observe its precepts." - Baha’u’llah

reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/GWB/gwb-5.html

(bolding added by myself)



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[Counterpoint]

Tepo,

Just curious. What is a “post-modern tribal Catholic?”

 

[orang]

Latent capacities…

(bolding added by myself)



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Read above this morning , thought a little and then did some research on the Bahai Belief System because Ive never heard of it before.

The bolded part being referred to seems close to an idea in the philosophy of Christianity state of the soul . For myself and again everybody would be different, when it comes to types of quantities or even thinking about a certain quality exactly between God and a person, I just walk away from the area . So for example bundy, would represent great evil , or stalin , while I know state of the soul and how above refers, would be an understanding I leave it be and ignore. Including anyone on earth except a Saint where in reading and so on, and the great review by the scholars, I’m more open without a guard. But still do not try to understand the Divine- Creature or Blessed Creature passed on intricacies or intensities of the relationship.

So here above is interesting, because from what I remember the Bahai arrives at a place not too much different, suggesting in the mystery of something like this, which would be very much a mystery, the good or holy perseverance allows the believer to be at place close or closer to God in the end, closeness being the understanding only, in the human mind. Getting at a rough shaping for the mystery which in of itself would be somewhat curious for many people , man being man.

In the news, it is a good development. The Pope has invited the leaders of Palestine and Israel to what he called his home in Rome for a get together, including some praying. ( I think I have the Countries right, I know all about it but have a problem with names.

As I understand they both right away agreed and I hope and cannot think they wouldn’t have a nice time as men do, when the food is cooked and brought along. So on topic with the thread it looks like things in the world has a chance for a ‘mental lift’ .

I think these are very difficult times for a great amount of people and its really time for some broadcasting or understanding on a whole global scale of a mental lift in this area of stability.