Why do people who push so-called "same-sex marriage" define it as between two people?

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Heterosexual marriage is normally limited to two people because every child has two biological parents, one male and one female.
 
It’s hypocritical for liberals to criticize the Catholic Church for limiting the definition of marriage when liberals are placing their own limits on it.
 
It seems to me that Liberals and left wingers are hell bent on destroying and weakening society this is just another means for doing that.
 
You are right…once gay marriage is the norm, the next hurdle is for society to accept marriage involving more than two people.

And then, of course, why limit it to people. Animals have rights too.

But all this is moot…who gets married anymore?
 
Hokomai said:
Is it? Who says?
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If you’re referring to the two people thing, common sense says this. Frankly, polygamous relationships are simply not common, and do not occur the majority of the time in modern society. Therefore, it would be pretty accurate to say that normally (as in, the usual, or most common situation) heterosexual couples are two-peopled. Now, if you’re questioning who said that children have one mother and one father, I am not entirely positive who said this first, but I think that we’re pretty sure on this one.
 
jpjd said:
You are right…once gay marriage is the norm, the next hurdle is for society to accept marriage involving more than two people.
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Well, they recently tried to pass a bill in California that would allow a child to have 3 legal parents at the same time. I’m not sure what the status of it is right now.

I believe these were the requirements that you had to fill to have 3 legal parents according to the bill:

“A family in which a man began dating a woman while she was pregnant, then raised that child with her for seven years. The youth also had a parental relationship with the biological father.
A same-sex couple who asked a close male friend to help them conceive, then decided that all three would raise the child.
A divorce in which a woman and her second husband were the legal parents of a child, but the biological father maintained close ties as well.”

The state is contorting parenting into becoming more of something that’s completely subjective and given to us by the state and less of a gift given to us by God. Adoption was originally an exception to the rule that is for the best interest of the child. But now the exception has become the rule and the emphasis is now placed on the “parents” rights and not the child’s. Once objective moral truth is removed, it always becomes about how much you can please yourself without hurting anyone…or in a lot of cases without feeling any noticeable negative consequences.
 
Hokomai said:
So where and when did God say that marriage is restricted to two people because children generally have two biological parents? (the claim to which I was responding).
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In the Bible, read it, WITH THE GUIDEANCE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, not hokomai:thumbsup:
 
Hokomai said:
Can you suggest a verse which gives this reason for monogamy, given the OT acceptance of polygamy?
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He [Jesus] answered, “Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, `For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder.” - Matthew 19:4-6

In addition to the Old Testament, we Catholics have the New Testament as well as the Magisterium which is guided by the Holy Spirit and is the interpreting authority for the scriptures. Think of it like a three legged stool.
 
edwest2 said:
There is evidence that points to the opposite being the case for many.

nytimes.com/2010/01/29/us/29sfmetro.html

catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=18467

nytimes.com/2003/08/31/world/now-free-to-marry-canada-s-gays-say-do-i.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

God bless,
Ed
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That’s an interesting secret they are keeping from us. “Gays” going into a so-called “same-sex marriage” with the agreement to see others outside of the two. How will the government deal with it when all the others they are having sex with start to demand inclusion in the so-called “marriage”? They are taking the “death by a thousand cuts” approach to destroying society’s understanding of marriage.
 
livingwordunity said:
He [Jesus] answered, “Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, `For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder.” - Matthew 19:4-6

In addition to the Old Testament, we Catholics have the New Testament as well as the Magisterium which is guided by the Holy Spirit and is the interpreting authority for the scriptures. Think of it like a three legged stool.
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Well, yes I understand about the teaching of the Church, but I was advised to read the Bible on this point. and your verse does not forbid polygamy. Why cannot, under this verse, a man have a series of relationships with different women, creating ‘one flesh’ on each occasion? Or a woman more than one husband? But I was challenging the assertion that marriage can be only between a single man and a single women because everyone has two biological parents. I asked why. i was told the Bible. I asked where it says this. So far, nowhere.
 
Hokomai said:
Well, yes I understand about the teaching of the Church, but I was advised to read the Bible on this point. and your verse does not forbid polygamy. Why cannot, under this verse, a man have a series of relationships with different women, creating ‘one flesh’ on each occasion? Or a woman more than one husband? But I was challenging the assertion that marriage can be only between a single man and a single women because everyone has two biological parents. I asked why. i was told the Bible. I asked where it says this. So far, nowhere.
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Actually, you were told God, not the Bible. The two aren’t to be confused.
 
JNdoum said:
Actually, you were told God, not the Bible. The two aren’t to be confused.
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Thank you for explaining that to me. But you are wrong:
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             *So where and when did God say that  marriage is restricted to two people because children generally have two  biological parents? (the claim to which I was responding).*
In the Bible, read it, WITH THE GUIDEANCE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, not hokomai:thumbsup:
 
Hokomai said:
Well, yes I understand about the teaching of the Church, but I was advised to read the Bible on this point. and your verse does not forbid polygamy. Why cannot, under this verse, a man have a series of relationships with different women, creating ‘one flesh’ on each occasion? Or a woman more than one husband? But I was challenging the assertion that marriage can be only between a single man and a single women because everyone has two biological parents. I asked why. i was told the Bible. I asked where it says this. So far, nowhere.
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Hokomai, you’re argument makes little sense. Are you saying it’s reasonable to interpret singular subjects as plural subjects?

[BIBLEDRB]Matthew 19:4-6[/BIBLEDRB]

In other words, it’s reasonable to interpret “two shall be one” as “three or four shall be one”? Or “his wife” could really mean “his wives”? That’s a reasonable interpretation to you?
 
stewstew03 said:
Hokomai, you’re argument makes little sense. Are you saying it’s reasonable to interpret singular subjects as plural subjects?

[bibledrb]Matthew 19:4-6[/bibledrb]

In other words, it’s reasonable to interpret “two shall be one” as “three or four shall be one”? Or “his wife” could really mean “his wives”? That’s a reasonable interpretation to you?
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It is standard Christian polygamist doctrine that marriage is between one man and one woman, each time it happens. It is possible for there to be more than ‘one’. I have no view on what Jesus meant, or whether he even said this or something like it, but the words like so many words of scripture are open to interpretation, including extreme interpretation. Why, if he wanted to be clear Jesus did not say: “I lay down some rules about marriage. Only an adult man and an adult woman can get married, and then only once while the other is alive, and they can’t get divorced ever” ? However, I digress. I was asking for the authority for the Bible saying that marriage could only be between a man and a woman because each of us has two biological parents, and no one has been able to cite it for me, despite the claim that it is in there somewhere.
 
Hokomai said:
It is standard Christian polygamist doctrine that marriage is between one man and one woman, each time it happens. It is possible for there to be more than ‘one’. I have no view on what Jesus meant, or whether he even said this or something like it, but the words like so many words of scripture are open to interpretation, including extreme interpretation. Why, if he wanted to be clear Jesus did not say: “I lay down some rules about marriage. Only an adult man and an adult woman can get married, and then only once while the other is alive, and they can’t get divorced ever” ? However, I digress. I was asking for the authority for the Bible saying that marriage could only be between a man and a woman because each of us has two biological parents, and no one has been able to cite it for me, despite the claim that it is in there somewhere.
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My mistake - I mistook you for a rational human being.
 
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