Why do people who say that they believe in the Bible...

[hamba2han]

… continue to support Israel’s disproportionate attacks on the Palestinian population?

If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. … Exodus 21:23-25

To kill over 600 people so far and maim thousands of others and then dismiss them as being mere “collateral damage” just because their side’s rockets have killed a a few of your own people surely cannot be the teachings of either Judaism or Christianity.

Don’t these people believe that “an eye for an eye” as in the Biblical verses above is a divine command and therefore there is a divine reason why this command was sent down?

Is there anything in the Bible that allows for the killing and maiming of literally thousands of Palestinians in response to the harm done to a few Israelis?

This whole mess is caused by people who love their own creation called Israel more than they love humankind.

Or are the Palestinians considered less than human that they should deserve to be slaughtered in such numbers?

 

[Steadfast]

It’s a bit more complicated than that.

Why do you think even Muslim states in the Middle East have more or less turned their backs on Hamas? Because Hamas cannot be reasoned with and is a loose cannon.

 

[rikkk1958]

My friend, you have the right to be upset of what happened to the Palestinian people, but we Christians sympathize with the suffering of the innocents killed or wounded. Your judgment is wrong and because of your prejudices with people other than muslims makes your statement a testament of who you really are.

The Israeli People have the right to defend themselves! Look on the other side of the coin. The rockets that had been pouring on different places in the Israeli land had been going on for years and caused destructions and sometimes casualties. The rockets are also getting farther and more devastating. Hamas, obviously have other agenda in mind and you know it because they have declared it openly. They want the destruction of Israel!

Now, try for a moment being an Israeli and live there. What do you think they would do to defend? I have been following the Biblical conflicts and it seemed, most of all your Islamic agendas to slaughter all unbelievers is very much on muslims mind. Do you think we Christians will allow you to make it happen?

 

[hamba2han]

It’s a bit more complicated than that.

Why do you think even Muslim states in the Middle East have more or less turned their backs on Hamas? Because Hamas cannot be reasoned with and is a loose cannon.

If there were people in the region who did not support Hamas before… well, many of them certainly do now… and with fervour.

 

[reteeks21]

If there were people in the region who did not support Hamas before… well, many of them certainly do now… and with fervour.

So, fear of ticking people off is a reason to stop fighting for the survival of your people? When was the last time Israelis launched rockets into Gaza simply because they were there? When was the last time the Palestinians held true to ANY cease-fire agreement? They haven’t. You want Israel to stop? If so, get the terrorists that strap bombs to themselves that are filled with ball-bearing that rip children to shreds to consider the consequences before they go off to “paradise”.

Israel may not always be the Good Guy, but they certainly aren’t the Bad Guy this time.

 

[hamba2han]

My friend, you have the right to be upset of what happened to the Palestinian people, but we Christians sympathize with the suffering of the innocents killed or wounded. Your judgment is wrong and because of your prejudices with people other than muslims makes your statement a testament of who you really are.

The Israeli People have the right to defend themselves! Look on the other side of the coin. The rockets that had been pouring on different places in the Israeli land had been going on for years and caused destructions and sometimes casualties. The rockets are also getting farther and more devastating. Hamas, obviously have other agenda in mind and you know it because they have declared it openly. They want the destruction of Israel!

Now, try for a moment being an Israeli and live there. What do you think they would do to defend? I have been following the Biblical conflicts and it seemed, most of all your Islamic agendas to slaughter all unbelievers is very much on muslims mind. Do you think we Christians will allow you to make it happen?

If the state of Israel needs to be preserved by brazenly defying the commands of the Almighty as in “an eye for an eye”, then Christians need to ask themselves – Does God want you to preserve the state of Israel?

The answer to this question is in the Bible for those who are interested to know.

 

[reteeks21]

If the state of Israel needs to be preserved by brazenly defying the commands of the Almighty as in “an eye for an eye”, then Christians need to ask themselves – Does God want you to preserve the state of Israel?

The answer to this question is in the Bible for those who are interested to know.

Are people not allowed to defend themselves anymore?

 

[sambos671]

What is this buzz word I hear “dispoportionate attacks”? Since when in any military campaign does one side say. “Huh? we have more firepower than the other guy…I guess its only fair that we attack them with what they attach us with.” The point of a military campaign is to defeat the other person hands down. Its not foot ball we’re watching here. Wait… maybe murdering inocent civilians is what Hamas considers a sports game… ahhh in that case maybe Israel should play fair. Right.

 

[Valke2]

… continue to support Israel’s disproportionate attacks on the Palestinian population?

In the bible, Moses is told to completely destroy Israel’s enemies. Fortunately for the palestinians, Israel doesn’t use the Torah as a political manifesto. Unfortunately for the rest of the world, muslims tend to use the Koran as one.

To kill over 600 people so far and maim thousands of others and then dismiss them as being mere “collateral damage” just because their side’s rockets have killed a a few of your own people surely cannot be the teachings of either Judaism or Christianity.

Stop trying to use religion like a gun. You can’t just point a text at a problem, cite the appropriate verse, and solve anything. This is what Islam tries do do every day. enough already.

 

[hamba2han]

… The point of a military campaign is to defeat the other person hands down…

What indeed was the “point” that God had in mind when making the Covenant with the Children of Israel?

The Covenant was made with conditions attached and it is imperative that no one forgets this extremely important fact which is stated in the Bible itself.

First off, the Qur’an states that the Children of Israel were indeed the ‘chosen people’.

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Children of Israel! call to mind the (special) favour which I bestowed upon you, and that I preferred you to all other (for My Message).

The Bible, on the other hand, states that there are actually conditions attached to the covenant given to the Jews.

Exodus
19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

If Jews do not keep the covenant and make Israel into a “kingdom of priests and an holy nation”, then the punishment for the Jews is also stipulated in the Bible:

Leviticus
26:18 And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.
…
26:21 And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins.
…
26:28 then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.

And a warning is given to the Jews:

Deuteronomy
28:68 And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.

Is there then hope for Israel according to the Bible?

Isaiah
19:23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.
19:24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:
19:25 whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.

In other words, Jews cannot continue to see themselves as the ‘chosen people’ and Israel as the most favored nation in the eyes of the Creator because this view is simply not supported in the Bible.

And since it is just so obvious that Israel is a secular country which has completely discarded any notion of being a “kingdom of priests and an holy nation”, then why indeed are Jews claiming a divine right to the land when they have long broken the conditions attached to the Covenant?

And so, again I need to ask → Why do people who say that they believe in the Bible continue to support Israel’s disproportionate attacks on the Palestinian population?

 

[reteeks21]

What indeed was the “point” that God had in mind when making the Covenant with the Children of Israel?

The Covenant was made with conditions attached and it is imperative that no one forgets this extremely important fact which is stated in the Bible itself.

First off, the Qur’an states that the Children of Israel were indeed the ‘chosen people’.

002.047
Children of Israel! call to mind the (special) favour which I bestowed upon you, and that I preferred you to all other (for My Message).

The Bible, on the other hand, states that there are actually conditions attached to the covenant given to the Jews.

Exodus
19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

If Jews do not keep the covenant and make Israel into a “kingdom of priests and an holy nation”, then the punishment for the Jews is also stipulated in the Bible:

Leviticus
26:18 And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.
…
26:21 And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins.
…
26:28 then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.

And a warning is given to the Jews:

Deuteronomy
28:68 And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.

Is there then hope for Israel according to the Bible?

Isaiah
19:23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.
19:24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:
19:25 whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.

In other words, Jews cannot continue to see themselves as the ‘chosen people’ and Israel as the most favored nation in the eyes of the Creator because this view is simply not supported in the Bible.

And since it is just so obvious that Israel is a secular country which has completely discarded any notion of being a “kingdom of priests and an holy nation”, then why indeed are Jews claiming a divine right to the land when they have long broken the conditions attached to the Covenant?

And so, again I need to ask → Why do people who say that they believe in the Bible continue to support Israel’s disproportionate attacks on the Palestinian population?

Your quotes do not even REMOTELY relate to God’s commands when they took the Holy Land. They had to do with the way they followed God. None of this relates to to day. Why do Muslims have a right to that land? Why do they deserve it? Why do they attack the way they do and you say nothing? The only thing you can do is attack the ones who are RESPONDING not INITIATING. Why do you not call-out the Muslims who pervert the Koran? That is the 2nd time I have asked that and you have yet to answer. When you and other Muslims take to the street and start protesting the gross violence of Muslim terrorists rather than taking to the streets when Israel defends itslef, then a meaningful dialouge can take place. Until then you will continue to whine about “disproportionate” attacks, and we will continue to support the rights of a sovereign nation.

 

[sambos671]

You’re talking about two different things here. Military Campaign and the Covenant. The purpose of a military campaign is to win. The Covenant between God and man is a different issue. You and I have differing views of the Covenant of God. I as a christian look at the covenant as the contract between God and man in which the party of Man has rights and responsibilities as well as God. The bible in my perspective and all the contracts in it culminate in Salvation and Christianity. Covenant has different conotation to you. God Created Israel to bring about Salvation in my mind. To the Islamic mind I cannot attest since I don’t know but if I were to venture a guess from what I’ve read of the Koran I would say to impart truth which wasn’t successsfull and thus the need for the prophet and Islam later. And you are making the point that since Israel did not keep its contract with God then destruction is their result. So (I’m not sure your saying it but I think this is where you are going) Israel needs to be destroyed since they didn’t keep its contract with God. I say you’re irrelevant because Jesus satisfied the contract for the Jews and the gentiles. As it stands Israel is being attacked and they are responding to it. Military in this context has nothing to do with the covenants of the Torah. Except this one thing God does his will.

 

[reteeks21]

How do you feel about this headline? Do you have any words of advice for the ones saying it? Can you justify their behavior?

“Shocking display of hatred spills onto streets of Ft. Lauderdale, Fla., as pro-Palestinian demonstrators scream for Jews to ‘go back to the oven’”-- a taunt organizers refused to condemn. | VIDEO
• YOU DECIDE: Did Demonstrators Cross the Line?
www.foxnews.com

 

[Booklover]

If the state of Israel needs to be preserved by brazenly defying the commands of the Almighty as in “an eye for an eye”, then Christians need to ask themselves – Does God want you to preserve the state of Israel?

The answer to this question is in the Bible for those who are interested to know.

I’m so fed up with the Islamic hatred of the Jews! You people are sick and hate them because they achieve what you can’t. All Muslims do is hate! Your bankrupt cult offers you nothing but arrogance and pride and nothing else, that’s why Muslim countries are so backward.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/Islam-Judaism.jpg

In 2007 Islam and Judaism’s holiest holidays overlapped for 10 days.
Muslims racked up 397 dead bodies in 94 terror attacks across 10
countries during this time… while Jews worked on their 159th Nobel Prize.

And meanwhile, in this video, Hamas is using children as human shields! Cowards and butchers! So don’t talk about the poor Palestinians as they even kill their own!

And why should we allow any more Muslims like this into the U.S?

Islamic cleric Salah Sultan appeared on Egypt’s Al-Nas TV last week and delivered a warning of death and destruction for America. Not only did he attack the U.S. for its military support of Israel in its fight against the Hamas terrorist organization, but he vowed retaliation such that more Americans would be killed than those Palestinians (and, presumably, Hamas terrorists) killed in the present conflict in Gaza, emphasizing that this would take place “soon”:America, which gave [Israel] everything it needed in these battles, will suffer economic stagnation, ruin, destruction, and crime, which will surpass what is happening in Gaza. One of these days, the U.S. will suffer more deaths than all those killed in this third Gaza holocaust. This will happen soon.

He also invoked a notorious Islamic hadith on the inevitable annihilation of the Jews by Muslims:The stone, which is thrown at the Jews, hates these Jews, these Zionists, because Allah foretold, via His Prophet Muhammad, that Judgment Day will not come before the Jew and the Muslim fight. The Jew will hide behind stones and trees, and the stone and the tree will speak, saying: “Oh Muslim, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.” The only exception will be the Gharqad tree.

pajamasmedia.com/blog/top-american-islamic-cleric-threatens-us-on-egyptian-tv/

Instead of whining all the time, why can’t Muslims do something constructive instead of destructive for a change!

Vickie

 

[Valke2]

If there were people in the region who did not support Hamas before… well, many of them certainly do now… and with fervour.

I think you and others wildly overestimate how popular Hamas will be for causing the destruction of gaza

 

[sambos671]

Not to mention Hamas was already very popular thus they were voted into power.

 

[hamba2han]

The following is actually a post from another forum:

It is common spin in the mainstream media to portray the people of Gaza as the ones who initially broke the ceasefire but this is not the case in actuality.

Here is CNN fact checking the Israeli claim that Hamas broke the cease fire first. US News and World Report, The Guardian, and The Economist are also quoted in the fact check report.

CNN Finally Confirms Israel Broke Ceasefire First

Gaza truce broken as Israeli raid kills six Hamas gunmen

United Nations: Hamas Did Not Break the Truce, Israel Did.

UN: Israel violated truce 7 times in one week

BTW, here is the 9th Commandment for those who may have forgotten:

“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."

 

[Booklover]

How do you feel about this headline? Do you have any words of advice for the ones saying it? Can you justify their behavior?

“Shocking display of hatred spills onto streets of Ft. Lauderdale, Fla., as pro-Palestinian demonstrators scream for Jews to ‘go back to the oven’”-- a taunt organizers refused to condemn. | VIDEO
• YOU DECIDE: Did Demonstrators Cross the Line?
www.foxnews.com

What is so disgusting is that people have been put in jail for standing up for human life and protesting outside abortion clinics and Muslims are allowed to do this and nothing is done to stop it!

Vickie

 

[Booklover]

Palestinian Kindergarten Ceremony

Teaching children to kill.

Vickie

 

[BlestOne]

… continue to support Israel’s disproportionate attacks on the Palestinian population?

If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. … Exodus 21:23-25

To kill over 600 people so far and maim thousands of others and then dismiss them as being mere “collateral damage” just because their side’s rockets have killed a a few of your own people surely cannot be the teachings of either Judaism or Christianity.

Don’t these people believe that “an eye for an eye” as in the Biblical verses above is a divine command and therefore there is a divine reason why this command was sent down?

Is there anything in the Bible that allows for the killing and maiming of literally thousands of Palestinians in response to the harm done to a few Israelis?

This whole mess is caused by people who love their own creation called Israel more than they love humankind.

Or are the Palestinians considered less than human that they should deserve to be slaughtered in such numbers?

If the state of Israel needs to be preserved by brazenly defying the commands of the Almighty as in “an eye for an eye”, then Christians need to ask themselves – Does God want you to preserve the state of Israel?

The answer to this question is in the Bible for those who are interested to know.

**Why do the Palestinians hide in schools, hospitals, and mosques? Why do Palestinian men put their wives and children into danger? Why do they think that they can keep pushing and pushing without being pushed back?

All of your Bible Quotes are from the Old Testament… why is that? Id it because that is what the Jewish people use or is it because you have an underlying point to make. There are just reasons for war… just in case you didn’t know.
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