Why do Protestant Apologists feel the need to lie about history and the Catholic Church?

[estesbob]

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There were many more, but i just named a few.

None of these were Churchs and none of them espoused views that were anythng close to Protestand doctrine. You have listed the stadard list of early Church heresies and elvated themto them to something they werent.

If you have some more to list please do so.

 

[Grateful4mercy]

None of these were Churchs and none of them espoused views that were anythng close to Protestand doctrine. You have listed the stadard list of early Church heresies and elvated themto them to something they werent.

If you have some more to list please do so.

I think he was trying to add weight to Proletarian’s argument that protestants like to claim there were ‘protesting’ churches before the reformation, but that modern protestants probably would want them in their church.

Am I right?

 

[SyCarl]

How do you know?

BTW-when you were reading Church history did you notice the lack of any Christian Churhs other than the Catholic Church for the first 1,500 years or so?

I find this comment interesting in a thread that deals with “Protestant lies”.

Several churches that existed during the first 1500 years, and still do exist are:
The Armenian Apostolic Church
The Coptic Orthodox Church
The Assyrian Church
The Syrian Orthodox Church
The Eastern Orthodox Church
The Waldenses

The only one that could be called Protestant are the Waldenses, but they were and are all separate from the Catholic Church

 

[Grateful4mercy]

I think he was trying to add weight to Proletarian’s argument that protestants like to claim there were ‘protesting’ churches before the reformation, but that modern protestants probably would want them in their church.

Am I right?

Sorry, meant to say WOULDN"T like them in their church.

 

[Jabronie]

I clicked on that second link, nearly laughed at the look on deacon fred’s face (looks as if he is mentally retarded), then read the sermon…is he really this stupid? He quotes pharisees attempting to bash JESVS to show how (as he calls them) “old men who like to play with little boys’ penises” cannot forgive sins.

Is this website a hoax? or is deacon fred really just this stupid?

If you look at their homepage landoverbaptist.org/, it’s definitely a parody site. And a pretty funny on at that.

It’s kind of like WorldNetDaily.com

 

[sanblasboy13]

None of these were Churchs and none of them espoused views that were anythng close to Protestand doctrine. You have listed the stadard list of early Church heresies and elvated themto them to something they werent.

If you have some more to list please do so.

Correct they were not churches but…some Protestants have some. Nestorianism (5th Century)

This heresy about the person of Christ was initiated by Nestorius, bishop of Constantinople, who denied Mary the title of Theotokos (Greek: “God-bearer” or, less literally, “Mother of God”). Nestorius claimed that she only bore Christ’s human nature in her womb, and proposed the alternative title Christotokos (“Christ-bearer” or “Mother of Christ”).

Orthodox Catholic theologians recognized that Nestorius’s theory would fracture Christ into two separate persons (one human and one divine, joined in a sort of loose unity), only one of whom was in her womb. The Church reacted in 431 with the Council of Ephesus, defining that Mary can be properly referred to as the Mother of God, not in the sense that she is older than God or the source of God, but in the sense that the person she carried in her womb was, in fact, God incarnate (“in the flesh”).

Protestants sometimes think Catholics are crazy for calling her Mother of God.
Other protestant denominations have denied Original Sin. Like Pelagianism and Semi- Pelagianism.

 

[allischalmers]

Problem is the Spririt appears to have led Protestants in some 30,000 different directions. How can that be?

If you have never known the leading of the Holy Spirit I wonder if you are a real Christain

 

[mark_a]

Why is there this culture of misinformation among Protestantism?

It has its origin in the cherry-picking of sacred scripture that is practiced and promoted by SS preachers with their own agenda.

 

[estesbob]

If you have never known the leading of the Holy Spirit I wonder if you are a real Christain

He leads me via the Church Jesus founded.I wonder if you really beleive the Spririt passes off different versions of the Truth if you are a real Christian

 

[Petergee]

STILL waiting for any reference to a protestant site which points out the “errors” of Catholicism without resorting to a gross misrepresentation of facts…

Looks like our separated brethren have conceded by their deafening silence that not one of this claimed multitude of mainstream protestant sites, in fact exists.

 

[Protestant101]

He leads me via the Church Jesus founded.I wonder if you really beleive the Spririt passes off different versions of the Truth if you are a real Christian

The beginning question of this topic is misleading; for it implies an absolute that maybe is not there.

I did check out the links that you said were “anti-Catholic;” and I agree, they are; in fact they are really hair-brained sites. I noticed that some of these sites are connected in some ways to Chick Publications and that tells me that anyone who uses his psychotic literature needs some education.

What I question here is the rhetoric of saying that all Protestants “lie” and “slander” Catholicism; just by saying things like “the Catholic Church is not the true Church.” The Pope was recently in the public arena stating how no Protestant Church is a “true Church;” and so he too is guilty of just what you say Protestants are guilty of.

Now; you should know that there are Protestants who do not see Catholics as “anti-Protestant,” regardless of what the Pope has just said and who are infact not “anti-Catholic” .

 

[Proletarian]

What I question here is the rhetoric of saying that all Protestants “lie” and “slander” Catholicism; just by saying things like “the Catholic Church is not the true Church.” .

Has anyone on this thread asserted, or even suggested such a thing? I have no problem with a non-Catholic claiming that the RCC is not the true Church, providing they make a sincere argument that is not dependant upon a manipulation of history or a misrepresentation of Catholic beliefs.

 

[ALLFORHIM]

STILL waiting for any reference to a protestant site which points out the “errors” of Catholicism without resorting to a gross misrepresentation of facts…

Looks like our separated brethren have conceded by their deafening silence that not one of this claimed multitude of mainstream protestant sites, in fact exists.

Honestly, I dont think it really matters what website someone gives you because whatever is said will just be construed as gross misrepresentation by you regardless.

Because let’s face it–if the info. presented to you didnt offend you well then you would be protestant

I know a few that give some great answers as to why the CC is wrong and they dont do it in a malicious way. However, Im sure you will see it that way just by the very nature of your post.

 

[estesbob]

The beginning question of this topic is misleading; for it implies an absolute that maybe is not there.

I did check out the links that you said were “anti-Catholic;” and I agree, they are; in fact they are really hair-brained sites. I noticed that some of these sites are connected in some ways to Chick Publications and that tells me that anyone who uses his psychotic literature needs some education.

Funny one does not find 100s of anti-protestant sites. There is no Catholic Equivalent to Chick Publications. Why is that?

What I question here is the rhetoric of saying that all Protestants “lie” and “slander” Catholicism; just by saying things like “the Catholic Church is not the true Church.” The Pope was recently in the public arena stating how no Protestant Church is a “true Church;” and so he too is guilty of just what you say Protestants are guilty of.

What the Pope siad is the equivalent of saying “Jesus Chrst rose from the dead” This is not rhetoric this is simple statement of fact.

Now; you should know that there are Protestants who do not see Catholics as “anti-Protestant,” regardless of what the Pope has just said and who are infact not “anti-atholic”

I guess hs comments were in a way anti-protestant in he has commented on the the self inflicted Spititual emptiness of those who have rejected Chirst’s Church. Sometmes the Truth hurts.

 

[Protestant101]

Has anyone on this thread asserted, or even suggested such a thing? I have no problem with a non-Catholic claiming that the RCC is not the true Church, providing they make a sincere argument that is not dependant upon a manipulation of history or a misrepresentation of Catholic beliefs.

The very title of this thread is “Why Do Protestants LIE…” and I am trying to say you should consider holding back your horses. Most Protestants do not lie in the context you have said. Most are quite sincere in their belief, just like you are.

What you call “manipulation” of history simply reflects the fact that a hundred different religious groups, including Catholics, all say they have the real truth; only they know the true history; and you MUST believe ONLY their version.

History has always had an element of the debateable; and of personal interpretation and is not always easy to discern; but to use adjectives like “lie” and “manipulate” to portray those who do not agree with YOUR interpretation is very uncharitable.

With the Pope pubicly denouncing ALL protestants as “non-Churches;” recently, then I’d say you are focusing on the wrong problem.

 

[trentonzero]

People tend to see the world in terms of Us and Them.

I’ve seen Christians foam at the mouth when I tell them, “By all means, don’t believe in evolution…but at least take the trouble to understand what it is you are disagreeing with.”

And I’ve seen atheists foam at the mouth when I tell them, “Look, science is completely incapable of weighing in on any matter of religion, because science ignores religion to keep things simple.”

And we’ve recently seen practically everyone foam at the mouth when the Pope announced that, gee golly, he happens to believe Catholicism is true. (I read one rabbi literally go, in two paragraphs, from “We should be tolerant and respectful of others beliefs” to “The Catholic Church is the path to destruction and death.” )

People have a nasty tendency to parse things into the Good Guys (me and my friends) and the Bad Guys (everyone else).

They care a great deal about truth when it is their friends.

Only with great effort can they find it in them to tell the truth about the Bad Guys if it happens that the truth doesn’t suit them.

It’s easy to say “Evolutionary biologists/ Christians/ Protestants/ Catholics/ Capitalists/ Socialists/ the French are morons.”

It takes some effort to say “Evolutionary biologists/ Christians/ Protestants/ Catholics/etc are smart, sincere people…but history has shown that neither traits protects one from being simply wrong.”

 

[Proletarian]

The very title of this thread is “Why Do Protestants LIE…” and I am trying to say you should consider holding back your horses. Most Protestants do not lie in the context you have said. Most are quite sincere in their belief, just like you are.

You said…

What I question here is the rhetoric of saying that all Protestants “lie” and “slander” Catholicism; just by saying things like “the Catholic Church is not the true Church.”

The title of this thread clearly targets “apologists”; not the laity.This is further emphasised by my OP

There are countless anti-Catholic websites on the net, all of which contain nothing but lies against the RCC. They do this by grossly misrepresenting Catholic Doctrine, or by simply making up their own history; a history that conflicts with all modern historical evidence. These lies have obviously disseminated throughout the Protestant laity; however I’m not blaming them, they are the product of a 500 year propaganda campaign. Why is there this culture of misinformation among Protestantism?

I quite clearly did not say that ALL protestants lie with regards to history.

 

[allischalmers]

He leads me via the Church Jesus founded.I wonder if you really beleive the Spririt passes off different versions of the Truth if you are a real Christian

If you where to gather together all the pastors of those 30000 so called denomanations that you Catholics like to say there are, that is if you could actualy find 30,000 of them, but you can’t, I think that of the few, 5 or 6, that you might be able to find,that they would be pretty much in agreement on their interpertations of the Bible.
Be honest that 30,000 number is a lot of bologna

 

[Protestant101]

You said…

I quite clearly did not say that ALL protestants lie with regards to history.

OK. Whatever you say…

 

[Protestant101]

It takes some effort to say “Evolutionary biologists/ Christians/ Protestants/ Catholics/etc are smart, sincere people…but history has shown that neither traits protects one from being simply wrong.”

This post was well said.