Why do Protestants object to Purgatory?

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The doctrine of a ‘purgatory’ does not emerge from the exhortation to pray for the dead; nor did pious Jews ever teach or believe in any such doctrine; nor does a single obscure passage in a book historically held even by the RCC as not so fully authoritative as other books of the Old Testament prove the doctrine you seek to justify by the citation.
It was well-publicized that the Jews of New York kept vigil on the remains of the Twin Towers after they fell, for a period of 11 months, during which they prayed for the souls of the dead.

Catholics did so in their churches and in the privacy of their homes, of course, and it was not as well-publicized that Catholics were doing this, but I saw several news articles that remarked on this long-standing custom of the Jews.
 
So, you believe that our works go to Heaven or to Hell separately from ourselves? I could go to Heaven, but my bad works could get burned up in Hell by themselves, without me (the person who did them) experiencing any of the pain, myself?

Could my good works also go to Heaven and become happy all by themselves, while I go to Hell and cease to experience happiness?
Our Good works stayed behind to bless those here on earth. But the rewards are in heaven awaiting us.
 
Why do you disagree with me?
You believe in the “select” and the “non-select” and dismiss the interpretation of the third state of purgatory. All are offered the grace of God, but, free will, not all accept. Non-Catholics view purgatory as a bad place, whereas it is the act of a merciful God to allow those who, by human nature, are inclined to sin (can you say road rage?) and are cleansed by fire of their sins before entering Heaven.
 
Our Good works stayed behind to bless those here on earth. But the rewards are in heaven awaiting us.
But only those pre-selected are able to enjoy the rewards of heaven, right?
 
No, I am not interested, but thanks for the offer.

God includes each person’s free response to His grace. you disagree with that.

Rabbi Kushner explained free will this way. You give a child two options, (1) The child may either do homework or (2) go outside and play. The child selects option # 2. You say “Wrong answer. Try again.” This time the child selects option # 1. You say “Right answer.” Where is the free will?
If I understand the question you have framed it improperly. Two children are given the option by the good rabbi to play or to do homework. Both children know the rabbi would prefer they do homework. Both children hate the rabbi, without cause and irrationally; by extension they each hate anything and everything that the rabbi stands for, prefers, or would want for them. They would destroy the rabbi and put themselves in the rabbi’s place if it were in their power so to do. In fact, for this reason, each of the children has harmed other who love the rabbi.

The rabbi, nonetheless, loves both children and wants the best for them. He is under obligation to do justly towards them with respect to their wicked behavior but he also has the power to change their natures. He acts in justice towards one of the children, and they are punished. With respect to the other child he is merciful and acts to change the child’s nature so that the child now loves what the rabbi loves and hates what the rabbi hates. The rabbi then atones himself for the wrong which the second child did, satisfying justice at the same time. The one child receives what he deserves; the other receives mercy. Both were in the power of the rabbi to do; the rabbi was within his rights to save one, to save both, or to save neither.

This is exactly what one particular Rabbi–the One who is not only Rabbi but also Lord of all–does do with respect to His children.
It was well-publicized that the Jews of New York kept vigil on the remains of the Twin Towers after they fell, for a period of 11 months, during which they prayed for the souls of the dead.
The practices of modern Jews would not speak to the doctrines and practices of historical Judaism. In any case, even modern Judaism does not teach a doctrine of purgatory. Jews pray for the dead (called "kadish’ if I have the spelling correct) because God, who exists outside of Time, can intervene mercifully in behalf of the departed “before” those souls die from a human perspective.
 
Still, the Catholic Church with the Holy Spirit recognized the Canon of Scripture and Maccabees was included. Because some question does not dismiss its authority.
Maccabees is a DEUTEROcanonical book, meaning it is part of a secondary canon even within the Catholic canon. It is of secondary, or lesser authority even within your own Church. .
 
You believe in the “select” and the “non-select” and dismiss the interpretation of the third state of purgatory. All are offered the grace of God, but, free will, not all accept. Non-Catholics view purgatory as a bad place, whereas it is the act of a merciful God to allow those who, by human nature, are inclined to sin (can you say road rage?) and are cleansed by fire of their sins before entering Heaven.
God says every man will die ,then comes the judgement. You are either entering heaven or you will go to hell. As christians through our confession and repentance and His forgiveness we are washed dayly by His blood and made clean.We are in the state of grace and If God called us home, Jesus would say enter in my good and faithful servant.The cleansing and the purging was done at the cross ovr 2000 years ago, Praise God.
 
If I understand the question you have framed it improperly. Two children are given the option by the good rabbi to play or to do homework. Both children know the rabbi would prefer they do homework. Both children hate the rabbi, without cause and irrationally; by extension they each hate anything and everything that the rabbi stands for, prefers, or would want for them. They would destroy the rabbi and put themselves in the rabbi’s place if it were in their power so to do. In fact, for this reason, each of the children has harmed other who love the rabbi.

The rabbi, nonetheless, loves both children and wants the best for them. He is under obligation to do justly towards them with respect to their wicked behavior but he also has the power to change their natures. He acts in justice towards one of the children, and they are punished. With respect to the other child he is merciful and acts to change the child’s nature so that the child now loves what the rabbi loves and hates what the rabbi hates. The rabbi then atones himself for the wrong which the second child did, satisfying justice at the same time. The one child receives what he deserves; the other receives mercy. Both were in the power of the rabbi to do; the rabbi was within his rights to save one, to save both, or to save neither.

This is exactly what one particular Rabbi–the One who is not only Rabbi but also Lord of all–does do with respect to His children.
Uh, no. It was not framed improperly (maybe not as well presented), but you chose to take my words and twist them into some warped personal perspective. You assumed the children (whom you doubled) hated the rabbi. Why would you assign such hostile and hateful feelings? Where did that come from?

After reading and re-reading your re-interpretation, I am not sure what is your agenda. You chose to complicate the message. If I had the book handy with me I could work to clarify, but I am unsure that would do any good.

Peace.
 
Our Good works stayed behind to bless those here on earth. But the rewards are in heaven awaiting us.
Aha, so it’s we who receive the rewards of Heaven, and not our works.

So, why don’t we experience the pain of burning, when our bad works are burned away, if we experience the reward of doing good works?
 
God says every man will die ,then comes the judgement. You are either entering heaven or you will go to hell. As christians through our confession and repentance and His forgiveness we are washed dayly by His blood and made clean.We are in the state of grace and If God called us home, Jesus would say enter in my good and faithful servant.The cleansing and the purging was done at the cross ovr 2000 years ago, Praise God.
But once again, what about temptation? They are inclinations to evil.

What/how will happen to this inclinations to evil once you die? We both agree they will not enter heaven with us, correct?

What happens to our inclination to evil?

God Bless,
Maria
 
Aha, so it’s we who receive the rewards of Heaven, and not our works.

So, why don’t we experience the pain of burning, when our bad works are burned away, if we experience the reward of doing good works?
Because its our works that are put through the fire.We are saved from the fire.We shall not be harmed because we have been saved.
 
But once again, what about temptation? They are inclinations to evil.

What/how will happen to this inclinations to evil once you die? We both agree they will not enter heaven with us, correct?

What happens to our inclination to evil?

God Bless,
Maria
I know Jesus was tempted by the devil while here on earth. When Jesus was tempted He spoke the Word for He said it is written,and the devil departed. In heaven this will not happen because nothing un holy can enter in. Not an issue…
 
Because its our works that are put through the fire.We are saved from the fire.We shall not be harmed because we have been saved.
And how does “won’t be harmed when going through the fire” translate to “won’t even be in the fire, at all”? :confused:
 
And how does “won’t be harmed when going through the fire” translate to “won’t even be in the fire, at all”? :confused:
I,m sure your familiar with the book of Daniel. Though the were in the fire they were not harmed and they even didn,t smell like smoke.😉
 
Because its our works that are put through the fire.We are saved from the fire.We shall not be harmed because we have been saved.
But we could be harmed if our works do not add up? Why do I have a picture of a blindfolded lady justice holding a balance aloft? If our works weigh enough then we are saved. If not then we are not saved, which meant we were never saved to begin with even though we thought we were saved?
 
But we could be harmed if our works do not add up? Why do I have a picture of a blindfolded lady justice holding a balance aloft? If our works weigh enough then we are saved. If not then we are not saved, which meant we were never saved to begin with even though we thought we were saved?
Since when are we saved by our good works?:confused:
 
Since when are we saved by our good works?:confused:
You said are works are put through the fire. Works are evidence of our faith. Why would works go through a fire if there was no consequence associated with the fire test?
 
Uh, no. It was not framed improperly (maybe not as well presented), but you chose to take my words and twist them into some warped personal perspective. You assumed the children (whom you doubled) hated the rabbi. Why would you assign such hostile and hateful feelings? Where did that come from?
Sorry. I assumed you were more familiar with Biblical theology than that. The doctrine of Total Depravity teaches that by nature all human beings hate God and hate all good, even though we were originally created to know God, love Him, and serve Him. We are God’s implacable enemies by nature, and this despite the fact that we owe Him everything we have and are. The Scriptural case for this totality of fallenness is quite impressive and well-established:

tulipedia.org/Total_Depravity

This should be a good start on the Biblical evidence for the doctrine. By the way, though you indicate you aren’t interested, here is a good list of books on the subject in case someone lurking is interested:

amazon.com/Calvinism-Books/lm/VGTO7HUH96GJ
After reading and re-reading your re-interpretation, I am not sure what is your agenda. You chose to complicate the message.
The general impression of most Roman Catholics is that Protestants shucked books of the Bible and unique Catholic dogmas willy-nilly just on a whim. I am attempting to show that Protestant theology is as tightly-woven as Catholic theology–perhaps more so–and that because of the direct and indirect implications of Protestant theology, doctrines like Purgatory are superfluous at best, and undermine the Work of Christ at worst.
 
Sorry. I assumed you were more familiar with Biblical theology than that. The doctrine of Total Depravity teaches that by nature all human beings hate God and hate all good, even though we were originally created to know God, love Him, and serve Him. We are God’s implacable enemies by nature, and this despite the fact that we owe Him everything we have and are. The Scriptural case for this totality of fallenness is quite impressive and well-established:

tulipedia.org/Total_Depravity

This should be a good start on the Biblical evidence for the doctrine. By the way, though you indicate you aren’t interested, here is a good list of books on the subject in case someone lurking is interested:

amazon.com/Calvinism-Books/lm/VGTO7HUH96GJ
Thank you for clarifying. I will take the “more familiar with Biblical theology than that” as a compliment 🙂

No, I do not share that “that by nature all human beings hate God and hate all good, even though we were originally created to know God, love Him, and serve Him.” I can be disobedient, and I can even rebel, but I believe that people are intrisically good and moral and that I worship God and pray to live up to the standard. I know that when I fall short it is because of my choosing, since I am human and prone to reside in the City of Man more often than the City of God. I believe Jesus gave us the Sacraments as the outward sign of God’s inward Grace and that I need to take advantage of these Sacraments, particularly Reconciliation, more often.

That’s pretty much it.

Peace.
 
But we could be harmed if our works do not add up? Why do I have a picture of a blindfolded lady justice holding a balance aloft? If our works weigh enough then we are saved. If not then we are not saved, which meant we were never saved to begin with even though we thought we were saved?
The only harm is the loss of rewards.Jesus said in my Fathers house there are many mansions.I believe heaven has many levels just as hell does. God decides which mansion we will be in according to the rewards we recieve. Of course this is only my oppinion.
 
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