Why do Protestants presume to know Catholic doctrine and dogmas when they don't really know it?

[Bishopite]

What i’m asking for is where can i find the infallible interpretation of a verse or passage? Where can that be found?

Try here for starters. In this thread someone gave a list…
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=175920&page=15

 

[mary_bobo]

Amen—too many forget that there are a substantial number of us who were well-steeped in various Protestant denominations before coming home to Rome.

Yes, Teflon, and all of us are richer for it. Welcome home!

 

[Teflon93]

Yes, Teflon, and all of us are richer for it. Welcome home!

Thanks, Mary—glad to be here!

 

[justasking4]

This is absolutely key.

The Catholic Church has a written Catechism. There is absolutely no excuse for promulgating lies about what the Church teaches in light of this fact.

Non-Catholics have plenty of fodder for criticizing us without needing to resort to lying about what the Church teaches. As in this thread, those who make silly claims about the Church immediately falsifiable by a five-second search of the Catechism have utterly no credibility.

And as we’ve seen on other threads, there is no shortage of things to debate between Christians beyond the mythology non-Catholics have created to justify their bigotry and keep their own in line.

Isn’t there much more to the teachings and understanding of the catholic church than the catechism?

 

[justasking4]

Try here for starters. In this thread someone gave a list…
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=175920&page=15

Thanks for the list. Would you happen to know its source?

 

[justasking4]

mary bobo;2639331]Once again, with respect, why do you keep repeating the above when those of us who ARE Catholics and know what the Church teaches, have told you that what you choose to believe is not true. Your opinion does not make it so and I would think that if you really wanted the truth about what the church teaches, you would open you mind and hear it. Or are you just here to condemn that which you demonstrably know very little about?

i’m quite familar with the teachings of the catholic church on a number of doctrines. If you think my opinion is wrong then show me where it is.

 

[estesbob]

Isn’t there much more to the teachings and understanding of the catholic church than the catechism?

It would be a good place for you to start. You can find it here
scborromeo.org/ccc.htm

You may want to start with:

2680 Prayer is primarily addressed to the Father; it can also be directed toward Jesus, particularly by the invocation of his holy name: “Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on us sinners.”

2681 “No one can say ‘Jesus is Lord’, except by the Holy Spirit” (1 Cor 12:3). The Church invites us to invoke the Holy Spirit as the interior Teacher of Christian prayer.
2682 Because of Mary’s singular cooperation with the action of the Holy Spirit, the Church loves to pray in communion with the Virgin Mary, to magnify with her the great things the Lord has done for her, and to entrust supplications and praises to her.

scborromeo.org/ccc/p4s1c2a2.htm#2676

 

[justasking4]

Since it is claimed that protestants presume to know Catholic doctrine what am i to make of this promise of “THE BROWN SCAPULAR - A SIGN OF DEVOTION TO MARY”?

This is the promise below.

MARY’S PROMISE TO THOSE WHO WEAR THE SCAPULAR

Our Lady gave St. Simon a scapular for the Carmelites with the following promise, saying : Receive, My beloved son, this habit of thy order: this shall be to thee and to all Carmelites a privilege, that whosoever dies clothed in this shall never suffer eternal fire … It shall be a sign of salvation, a protection in danger, and a pledge of peace.

So as not to misunderstand catholic doctrine and practices what should a protestant think about this promise?

 

[Teflon93]

Isn’t there much more to the teachings and understanding of the catholic church than the catechism?

From the introduction to the Catechism by Pope John Paul II:

“Catechesis will find in this genuine, systematic presentation of the faith and of Catholic doctrine **a totally reliable way to present, with renewed fervor, each and every part of the Christian message **to the people of our time. This text will provide every catechist with sound help for communicating **the one, perennial deposit of faith **within the local Church, while seeking, with the help of the Holy Spirit, to link the wondrous unity of the Christian mystery with the various needs and conditions of those to whom this message is addressed.”

The Catechism is the authoritative guide to the Catholic faith. It summarizes many, many documents and is annotated with references to the same.

Those who wish to cherrypick from 2,000 years of Catholic history and avail themselves of anachronistic interpretations of secondhand translations into English tend to avoid the Catechism as they do the Eucharist, but the Catechism remains the reference for anyone who wishes to know what the Catholic Church actually teaches, not what they wish she would teach so as to make criticism of her easier.

 

[justasking4]

It would be a good place for you to start. You can find it here
scborromeo.org/ccc.htm

You may want to start with:

2680 Prayer is primarily addressed to the Father; it can also be directed toward Jesus, particularly by the invocation of his holy name: “Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on us sinners.”

2681 “No one can say ‘Jesus is Lord’, except by the Holy Spirit” (1 Cor 12:3). The Church invites us to invoke the Holy Spirit as the interior Teacher of Christian prayer.
2682 Because of Mary’s singular cooperation with the action of the Holy Spirit, the Church loves to pray in communion with the Virgin Mary, to magnify with her the great things the Lord has done for her, and to entrust supplications and praises to her.

scborromeo.org/ccc/p4s1c2a2.htm#2676

i have access to the catechism but there is so much more that must be incorporated into understanding the catholic church in what it teaches and practices.

 

[estesbob]

i’m quite familar with the teachings of the catholic church on a number of doctrines. If you think my opinion is wrong then show me where it is.

Which opinions are you referring to? Quite frankly from reading your comments on Catholics and Mary it does not appear you’re familiar with Catholic teachings at all.

 

[justasking4]

From the introduction to the Catechism by Pope John Paul II:

“Catechesis will find in this genuine, systematic presentation of the faith and of Catholic doctrine **a totally reliable way to present, with renewed fervor, each and every part of the Christian message **to the people of our time. This text will provide every catechist with sound help for communicating **the one, perennial deposit of faith **within the local Church, while seeking, with the help of the Holy Spirit, to link the wondrous unity of the Christian mystery with the various needs and conditions of those to whom this message is addressed.”

The Catechism is the authoritative guide to the Catholic faith. It summarizes many, many documents and is annotated with references to the same.

Those who wish to cherrypick from 2,000 years of Catholic history and avail themselves of anachronistic interpretations of secondhand translations into English tend to avoid the Catechism as they do the Eucharist, but the Catechism remains the reference for anyone who wishes to know what the Catholic Church actually teaches, not what they wish she would teach so as to make criticism of her easier.

Lets not just limit ourselves to the catechism but to everything the catholic church teaches and endorses.

 

[Teflon93]

i have access to the catechism but there is so much more that must be incorporated into understanding the catholic church in what it teaches and practices.

There are electronic resources that allow for quick crossreference between the Catechism and the primary documents it references; if you check out the Electronic Resources sticky at the head of this Forum you will find some of these. I personally use the Welcome to the Catholic Church software from Harmony Media.

 

[Teflon93]

Lets not just limit ourselves to the catechism but to everything the catholic church teaches and endorses.

Primary Catholic documents are in Latin. Do you read Latin?

 

[justasking4]

Which opinions are you referring to? Quite frankly from reading your comments on Catholics and Mary it does not appear you’re familiar with Catholic teachings at all.

see #148 for starters.

 

[justasking4]

Primary Catholic documents are in Latin. Do you read Latin?

No. There is enough in english to deal with.

 

[estesbob]

i have access to the catechism but there is so much more that must be incorporated into understanding the catholic church in what it teaches and practices.

Given your limited understanding of the teaching and doctrines of the church I would suggest you study the catechism and then get back with us… Everything you need to know about the doctrines and teachings of the Catholic Church are in the Catechism. It is not possible for you to have an intelligent discussion on complex theological issues when you don’t even understand the basics

 

[Palladio]

Given your limited understanding of the teaching and doctrines of the church I would suggest you study the catechism and then get back with us… Everything you need to know about the doctrines and teachings of the Catholic Church are in the Catechism. It is not possible for you to have an intelligent discussion on complex theological issues when you don’t even understand the basics

To which I’ll add that the common Protestant trick–a cheap one–of show me that I’m wrong about the RCC won’t work either.

Two thousand years of the one true Church and they want it all on a silver platter.

It’s like talking to atheists who want an immediate geometric proof for the existence of God.

 

[estesbob]

No. There is enough in english to deal with.

Before you get into the brown scapular you’d have to understand the Catholic Church’s teaching on Mary of which you have thus far shown profound ignorance about.

What you want to do is pick and choose various Catholic traditions and asked people to justify them. Yet there is no way we can explain them to you because of your limited knowledge of the Church teachings. There is ,for instance ,no requirement whatsoever that Catholics have a brown scapular or even believe that which is said about it. One wonders if you are truly searching for what Catholics believe why you would concentrate on such a trivial thing when there are much bigger things to discuss-i.e. the real presence, apostolic succession, and the authority of the Pope/Church. You neither understand or, I suspect ,accept any of the three I mentioned even though they are crucial for understanding our faith.

 

[Teflon93]

No. There is enough in english to deal with.

You do realize that one of the more compelling reasons for the Catechism in English is to avoid mistranslation, right?

Isn’t is remarkable that Protestants insist we argue their faith solely from that portion of Scripture they recognize, while arguing against Catholicism without using the Catechism we recognize?