Why do Protestants stay Protestant

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I never seen such hateful and bigotted words against a believer and reading the word of God, wow Nicene, is that what Jesus would do ? I thought love was the command He gave us.
So in other words when I just repeated back what is repeated to us all the time it is bigoted, yet when they do it, it is not. Interestingly enough I have never seen a protestant reprimand a protestant for those very words. What do you think Jesus said to the pharisees? Woe to you…

I notice you didn’t make a reply to alfie for the same bigoted comments. Why is that?
To be honest with you, we are never encouraged to read our bibles, but protestants are.
Lets see, I have been reading the bible for 38 years daily. Where do you think I learned that from?
Maybe you should read 1 Corinthians 13
Though you think you bestow all knowledge but have not love…
you are nothing.
So you think it is love to let people continue in error? What sort of love is it to let souls be lost? I am sure when Jesus gave the woes to the pharisees, and Paul called the Galatians foolish it was out of hate. (Look what Christ said about calling someone a fool)
1 John 1:9
He that says he is in the light, and hates his brother is in darkness, even until now.
So you presume I hate him? Can I ask you when you can see into the heart of men? If I hated him I wouldn’t being trying to turn him from his errors? The truth of love is that it is not sentimentality, it corrects, can be nourishing, but also reprimands. Love is commitment, and sometimes can be harsh. If your child is beating up other children do you sit there and say “Oh please honey don’t” Or do you take action and correct the situation?

Or do you consider what Christ said to the pharisees and scribes, or when he overturned the tables to be out of hate?

Peace and God Bless
Nicene
 
Celtic Son:
Thanks Sadie, Thats one other thing I’m proud of. My Scottish heritage, Clan MacFarlane here!!
So are you “High” or “Low?” 🙂
 
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JKirkLVNV:
Because they genuinely believe in the teachings of their own churches.

For that reason, and for all the other reasons that Catholics do not convert to Protestantism 😃

 
Church Militant:
I have found that the Charismatic Catholics where I am are every bit as “orthodox” (which is the correct term, not 'traditional") as I am in their beliefs. You can attempt to portray Charismatic Catholics as (God Forbid) “Pentecostals”, but ask 'em what they believe about the Eucharist, Reconcilliation, Holy Orders, Matrimony, Baptism, Confirmation, Papal Infallibility, The Sacrament of the Sick, The Canon of Scripture, The intercession of Saints, and all things Catholic and you’ll be horrified to discover that they are Catholics through and through, yet they plainly have experienced the same gifts of the Holy Spirit that you seem to hold so dear! So what does THAT tell you Alfie?!!!
(Cont’d)
By any chance did you happen to have read the previous post by Nicene? The impression I got from reading his post is that Charismatics come straight from the pit of hell. Would you two please “SPLAIN” yourselves?
 
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Alfie:
By any chance did you happen to have read the previous post by Nicene? The impression I got from reading his post is that Charismatics come straight from the pit of hell. Would you two please “SPLAIN” yourselves?
Depends on the charismatic. There are those who are genuine and those who are not. True charism doesn’t try to be seen on streetcorners to be seen, nor carry bibles to be seen, or use togues to be seen as holy. True charism is exuberance for the word of God, love of the gospel, knowing it without quoting it and not understanding the words.

It is evident there is much of the gospel you do not understand and yet are unwilling to learn. True faith grows from a seeding it is not stagnant. Stagnation causes the seed to wither and die.

By the same token reading your initial post I get the same impression from you about the catholic church that it is straight from the pit of hell. Care to explain yourself?

Peace and God Bless
Nicene
 
Church Militant:
IIf that’s a Mass then you better pray to God that their bishop doesn’t get wind of it, because that would be seriously messed up.
I never said there was a Mass. I left after the service when they started praising Mary. It was at Franciscan University years ago.

The only way I will ever attend a Mass is if one of you “**He ** Men” from this forum drags me by the hair to the church.
 
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Alfie:
I never said there was a Mass. I left after the service when they started praising Mary. It was at Franciscan University years ago.

The only way I will ever attend a Mass is if one of you “**He ** Men” from this forum drags me by the hair to the church.
So again you think the catholic church is stright from the pit of hell?

Peace and God Bless
Nicene
 
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Alfie:
By any chance did you happen to have read the previous post by Nicene? The impression I got from reading his post is that Charismatics come straight from the pit of hell. Would you two please “SPLAIN” yourselves?
Just missed the window to edit the other post to add:

If you want to see true charismatics at work and the charism of the Holy Spirit, watch Marcus Grody, Scott Hahn or Father Corapi on EWTN. Their Spirit is authentic and genuine, not done to be seen.

Peace and God Bless
Nicene
 
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Alfie:
The only way I will ever attend a Mass is if one of you “**He **Men” from this forum drags me by the hair to the church.
Since I’m not a man, I suppose that leaves me out. Darn. :rolleyes:
 
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Roman_Catholic:
I wasnt in RCIA but five minutes before the leader pulled out a Bible and told us to read from it daily. Our class was even given a Bible. I have never gotten the impression that we are not encourage to read the bible.
I was received into the catholic church last year. I only began going to RCIA because my wife wanted to go and wanted me to go with her. I started going to a protestant message board to get ammunition to help me prove why catholicism was wrong.

They frequently made the claim that catholics don’t and aren’t encouraged to read the bible. I couldn’t help but wonder, if that was the case, why the deacon in RCIA kept telling us to read the bible. The first night of RCIA, we were given two books: the bible, and the catechism.

For not reading being told to read the bible, they sure tell us to read the bible a lot.
 
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Alfie:
The only way I will ever attend a Mass is if one of you “**He **Men” from this forum drags me by the hair to the church.
That’s a shame because you will only believe what others have falsely told you about it. It wasn’t until I went to a mass that I realized it is all about Jesus who you claim you want to be close to.

When I went myself, I realized I had been lied to when I was told that the mass was about idol worship.

Here is one I only recently realized was about Christ. During the service we give each other a sign of peace. That is shake hands with those around you and say “peace be with you”. It sounds like a nice greeting. So why do we use that phrase?

When Jesus appeared to all the disciples, his first words were (you guessed it) “peace be with you” (Luke 24:36). We aren’t just saying a nice wish, we are proclaiming the resurrection of Christ!

Like I said, everything in the mass is about Jesus.
 
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SemperJase:
That’s a shame because you will only believe what others have falsely told you about it. It wasn’t until I went to a mass that I realized it is all about Jesus who you claim you want to be close to.

When I went myself, I realized I had been lied to when I was told that the mass was about idol worship.

Here is one I only recently realized was about Christ. During the service we give each other a sign of peace. That is shake hands with those around you and say “peace be with you”. It sounds like a nice greeting. So why do we use that phrase?

When Jesus appeared to all the disciples, his first words were (you guessed it) “peace be with you” (Luke 24:36). We aren’t just saying a nice wish, we are proclaiming the resurrection of Christ!

Like I said, everything in the Mass is about Jesus.
Thanks Jase! That’s what I’ve been trying to tell her. She only got guts enough to go with what she’s been told is “safe” but never guts enough to check to see for herself if what she’s been told is true or not. I wouldn’t drag her. That’s the work of the Holy Spirit. I just pray that she’s got the courage to obediently follow where He leads.
Pax tecum,
 
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sadie2723:
I am pulling this off another similar thread that I have been enjoying a lot. It was called Why do Protestants become Catholic. Well, I am interested in the other side of things. Why do Protestants not convert?

Let’s get it on!
In my case it was because of misinformation and lies about what the Church actually teaches and believes. Most protestants will agree with every single line of the Nicene Creed but still call the Catholic Church the Whore of Babylon because of what they’ve been told about her.

It’s really sad, too. It took me years to finally work it all out and come to the conclusion that the Catholic Church is the true Church. Thanks be to God, I hope to be received, Confirmed and receive my first Holy Communion on April 15th!
 
Alfie,

Here is the order of Mass. I would like to hear your questions
about it or why you think it is not Christ centered.

Introductory Rites
  • Entrance Song
  • Trinitarian Greeting
  • Penitential Rite (“Lord, we have sinned against you”)
  • Kyrie (Lord, Have Mercy)
  • Gloria (Glory to God)
  • Opening Prayer
Liturgy of the Word
  • First Reading
  • Psalm Response
  • Second Reading
  • Gospel Acclamation (Alleluia)
  • Gospel
  • Homily
  • Creed
  • General Intercessions/Prayers of the Faithful
Liturgy of the Eucharist
  • Preparation of the Gifts and accompanying music
  • Prayer over the Gifts
  • Eucharistic Prayer
  • Sanctus (Holy, Holy, Holy)
  • Memorial Acclamation (Christ Has Died, Christ is risen…)
  • Great Amen
  • Communion Rite
  • Our Father
  • Rite of Peace
  • Breaking of the Bread (Lamb of God)
  • Communion
  • Communion Song
  • Prayer after communion
Concluding Rite
  • Blessing
  • Dismissal
Source archmil.org/ourfaith/OrderofMass.asp
 
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LCMS_No_More:
In my case it was because of misinformation and lies about what the Church actually teaches and believes. Most protestants will agree with every single line of the Nicene Creed but still call the Catholic Church the Whore of Babylon because of what they’ve been told about her.

It’s really sad, too. It took me years to finally work it all out and come to the conclusion that the Catholic Church is the true Church. Thanks be to God, I hope to be received, Confirmed and receive my first Holy Communion on April 15th!
Congrats, I will also become part of His church this April, although I am not coming from a Protestant faith, really coming from no faith at all, but I was baptized as a child in the Catholic church.

By the way Is it true that most protestants will agree with the Nicene Creed? I have never asked one and it has never come up, that would be interesting though.

God Bless
 
Catholic “services” aren’t spontaneous and the church is filled with the traditions of man. blablablabla
 
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Roman_Catholic:
Congrats, I will also become part of His church this April, although I am not coming from a Protestant faith, really coming from no faith at all, but I was baptized as a child in the Catholic church.
Congrats! I can’t wait. I was baptized as an evangelical about 22 years ago. Now I get to join the Church Jesus Himself founded and I’m so excited! 🙂
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Roman_Catholic:
By the way Is it true that most protestants will agree with the Nicene Creed? I have never asked one and it has never come up, that would be interesting though.

God Bless
Lutherans and Anglicans/Episcopals both proclaim the Creed in their Communion services. They proclaim the Apostle’s Creed at their Sunday Morning without Communion services. On Trinity Sunday, the Lutheran parish I used to go to would recite the Athanasian Creed (that was fun considering it’s quite long and repetitions… (e.g., there is one God the Father, one God the Son and one God the Holy Spirit, yet there are not three Gods but one God, the Father is eternal, the Son is eternal and the Holy Spirit is eternal but there are not thee eternals but one eternal…).

Quote the Creed to a non Lutheran/Episcopal Protestant clause for clause and they’ll agree…

You: Do you believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of all things, visible and invisible?

The other guy: Of course!

You: Do you believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God of God, Light of Light, very God of very God, one in being with the Father, through Whom all things were made?

The other guy: Amen!

You: Do you believe that for us men and for our salvation, He came down from heaven,…

You get the picture.

Explain Catholic to mean universal (because that’s what the word means) and they’ll even agree with the “I believe in one, holy, Catholic and apostolic Church.”
 
I actually am the opposite, I was raised Catholic and come from a long line of Italian and Irish Catholic background.
But I noticed very many inconsistentcies with the way people would go to church on Sunday, after partying and drinking Saturday. Not only the people but the priests also at our Fall festival could drink it down with the best of them. To me this was a red flag and not very Christ like.

Well I continued at this particular church and began to have some questions and a close family friend was a deacon at another Catholic church of Jesuit order, he told me not to read the bible, it was only for the priests to interpret. So I tried to read it for myself and didn’t know where to begin and I really didn’t understand it.
About a year later I went on a retreat in the mountains with our church, well we broke off into small groups and they asked each of us to pray from the heart, I have never been asked to do that before, I only knew memorized prayers or prayers from a book. So when it came my turn to pray I just wept and asked myself, who am I kidding anyway, I didn’t know how to talk to God from my heart, I believed in Him, but didn’t know Him, so I just wept and realized in my heart, I was just playing church, I had friends that I grew up with there and it was the good thing to do, but that was about it.
The next day they asked us to go on a Jesus walk and bring a bible or a prayer book, I brought my bible and went to a very peaceful place in the snow and sat on a log with bible on my lap, I opened it again in sincerity said, “I don’t understand this”
and a wind from nowhere came and began to blow the thin pages quickly, at that very moment I felt the presense of God for the first time, and He spoke to me in a still small voice saying, “I will show you MY word” 3xs and i said, yes Lord.

When the retreat was over, we came back to reality (home) and I wanted to get started in knowing Gods word, so i asked Him from my heart, show me Your Word, so I turned to the book of Wisdom, I thought that is a good place to start, well I was discouraged because it do anything for me, so I turned to Proverbs, and WOW my eyes were opened, it pointed me in the right direction in knowing God, it was soooo good that i could not get enough. I was finally beginning to understand the Word. And i was beginning to see who God is and I immersed myself into His word I hungered for it. This is when i fell in love with God, He was no longer a God of wrath or out of reach. I was understanding Him more the more i read about Him.

So after that, I continued going to the Catholic church that i was raised in, and I realized I couldn’t hear what the priest was really saying, the sound system was bad and the echo made it hard to hear him. But before that it didn’t bother me, but after my ears were opened Spiritually I realized how dead it was in there. People praying with their eyes open and barely anyone sang the worship songs, they really looked to me like a bunch of zombies, and i thought that was me and how i was before the Lord came to me.

Then i went to a non-denominational church were they taught the bible and worshipped like they meant it and prayed with their eyes closed and from the heart. The bible study was like nothing i ever heard before, the Pastor spoke so clearly and read the bible with such clarity and it all made sense. And the people didn’t party and they spoke of the Lord and encouraged me in my walk with the Lord and prayed for me alot. I knew i was in the right place, I’ve even gone back from time to time to my old church and realized it was a religion not a relationship with God, it all was so dead, no Spirit was there, people just doing their weekly duty. So i never went back, but I do pray for them, and will always have a place in my heart to see them come into a relationship with God according to Spirit and truth.
It is one thing to believe in God in your mind, and another to know Him in your heart and daily experience.
 
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JesusHasMyHeart:
I actually am the opposite, I was raised Catholic and come from a long line of Italian and Irish Catholic background.
But I noticed very many inconsistentcies with the way people would go to church on Sunday, after partying and drinking Saturday. Not only the people but the priests also at our Fall festival could drink it down with the best of them. To me this was a red flag and not very Christ like…

It is one thing to believe in God in your mind, and another to know Him in your heart and daily experience.
What if you had grown up from a Catholic parish where people did worship like they meant it and live that way, too? Would that make the objective truth of the faith any more correct? O can tell you parishes like this do exist, I’ve been there. There are also non-denominational churches that have the same doctrines as the one you go to where the people are lukewarm and hardly sing at all. Does this make the objective truth of those doctrines any less correct?

You can’t base your faith on how the people in the faith live, you have to base it on the truth of the faith itself. If you based things on how the people lived and worshipped, you’d have to choose between Islam, Mormonism, and the Jehovah’s Witnesses, because I can tell you those folks pray and live like they mean it. But no, the truth of a faith is in the faith, not in the people or in how they respond.
 
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