Welcome, brother Lutheran. I fear this comment could be miscontrued. That is to say, that it leaves the appearance that you, as a Lutheran, believe it is ok for doctrine to shift.
Jon
Not to say you are wrong, But being around LCMS for nearly 30 years and getting know a few on here I would not decribe it as one that moves and changes with the world around it when it comes to beliefs. Also I would say it is in holding to some of those that came about in the reformation that keep it from full union back with Papacy.
You are correct, as it turns out, it is not the Confession of Faith that has the wording, but one of the additions to it. In this case it was “The Testimony of the Reformed Presbyterian Church of North America” so I was looking at their reference incorrectly.
Didn’t Jesus mention something like that on the sermon on the mount? I thought he disapproved of that, and said it should be built on a rock. Or something like that. (sorry, I’m too lazy to look it up now.
)Please tell me you’re joking.
Okay, I wouldn’t say moves and changes. Maybe a better way of putting it would be…more open to the modern world? Idk, we’re still very traditional in a lot of sevices (my chuch was founded in 1864, I live in Illinois, and we still had completely German services well into the 1980’s until being fully replaced with English ones) but we add newer music and life to a lot of things. My Pastor even calls us Lutheran-Catholic sometimes, we’re just Catholics who chose to not believe a few things that we didn’t think were right and went our own way, we aren’t as radically different than a lot of the other Protestant denominations.Not to say you are wrong, But being around LCMS for nearly 30 years and getting know a few on here I would not decribe it as one that moves and changes with the world around it when it comes to beliefs. Also I would say it is in holding to some of those that came about in the reformation that keep it from full union back with Papacy.
Sorry Just saw Jon’s post so what he said.
Read my response to oneGODoneCHURCH.Please tell me you’re joking.
If you are truly a Christian, than you believe that Jesus is God incarnate, and thus His teachings are infallible, even the difficult teachings–fornication is an evil (Mark 7:20-21), Hell exists, Christianity is the only way to God’s full truth, etc.
“Why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord’ and not do as I say?” --Luke 6:46
And do you remember the parable about the man who built his house on a foundation fo sand? Or all the stuff about how we’re supposed to be in the world and not of the world?
I guess it depends on the individual. I was raised cross-denominational Protestant and we were always(still are) anti-abortion, pro traditional morality, etc. I’m sure the majority of serious Bible believing Protestants agree with these.I’m often left astonished at the assumptions made here about Protestants, that Protestantism is really based on the philosophy of “living a life of sin and looking for ways to justify it”.
Fortunately, that’s far from reality. Protestants, in general, simply look for what the Bible has to say on a certain topic (i.e. sola-scriptura). Abortion, to use an example, would be considered a sin on the basis of several passages, most notably, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations” (Jeremiah 1:5). A properly-informed Protestant, in my point of view, wouldn’t hold drastically different opinions from a Catholic on the nature of sin (perhaps disagreeing on birth control, as an example, as it isn’t explicitly alluded to in the Bible).
So why do some Catholics here, and quite a significant number, portray Protestants in such a negative light? If a person lives a life of sin and looks for ways to justify it, they are neither Catholic or Protestant but simply a non-practicing Christian. According to this forum however, Protestantism is synonymous with living the high life
Perhaps I misunderstand your meaning, but if not then to knowingly remain in something “built on sand” would terrify me
As to discarding beliefs that are “proven wrong” and such - how can one be sure of anything in a faith like that
It seems like a lot of insecurity built into such a worldview
Too much for me.Timonthy my friend;
It’s an acquired tastePerhaps I misunderstand your meaning, but if not then to knowingly remain in something “built on sand” would terrify me
I mainly love the music. It’s much more modern and it sometimes requires you to seriously interpret the lyrics past what a simple listen might give you, to the point that sometimes the songs show more meaning than anything else.=Hawkheart;8023928]It’s an acquired taste
Hmmmm.It boils down like you say the “liberall” part and not only Protestants. In my experience there is NO difference in opinion and outlook between liberal Catholics and liberal Protestants and Secularists. They tend to be much more Pro-Choice and Pro-Gay Marriage than Conservatives–even those who consider themselves to not be religious.
That would still terrify meIt’s an acquired taste
I prefer safety in religion over novelty.I agree. We can see where Hawkheart’s priorities lie.
God FIRST
Family second
Work third
Music? [Not saying it’s NOT important] only that it is to MOVE US towards a more personal reltionship with God.
The possibility of denying TRUTH which must be equated with ones personal salvation is staggering
God Bless,
Pat
Perhaps so, and since he is banned, one really can’t press him/her further. I can say, as LCMS, that in terms of doctrine, I was more than uneasy with - no, I reject the statement about being built on sand.
Augsburg is certainly not sand.I know this isn’t the case. Protestants who adhere to Reformed theology, for instance, can be terrified about their “election”, and so will be frightened if they see that their works are bad. Of course, this is all based on a false doctrine - God clearly gave us free will, thus we are held accountable for our works - but it appears to make some Protestants better people, highly moralistic. It didn’t work for me, because I wasn’t feeling the Spirit; sola fide didn’t inspire good works from me - rather the opposite; arrogance and apathy towards others. Everything changed when I came back to the Church for the first time in my adult life.
