Why do some Protestant churches prohibit the drinking of wine

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Snow said:
Superior? No, probably not superior, but different perhaps.

There are those that take mind-altering drugs and there are those that don’t.
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And then there are those who drink wine daily and enjoy it for what it is, a naturally occurring substance, not illegal or immoral.
You use the term mind altering drug the way an old jealous spinster would describe sex. Sex or wine (or any alcoholic beverage), in the proper context, should not be disparaged.🤷
Actually…I think I detect that you DO feel a little superior…
 
pismopal said:
And then there are those who drink wine daily and enjoy it for what it is, a naturally occurring substance, not illegal or immoral.
You use the term mind altering drug the way an old jealous spinster would describe sex. Sex or wine (or any alcoholic beverage), in the proper context, should not be disparaged.🤷
Actually…I think I detect that you DO feel a little superior…
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I’m not superior but I am enjoying reading how people justify their behavior. Seems like some are a little sensitive about their own behavior.

I describe alcohol as a mind altering drug because that is exactly what it is. Some may enjoy the taste but take away the mind altering properties and you’ve got a non-starter that wouldn’t sell.

True, it isn’t illegal. You also say that it isn’t immoral - perhaps but would you say that about other mind altering drugs (setting aside illegality) such as pot, cocaine and heroine? Although it’s less likely (than booze) people do use them recreationally - at least for a while.
 
Snow said:
I’m not superior but I am enjoying reading how people justify their behavior.
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Wow, you are REALLY pious, sanctimonious, and self-righteous, aren’t you? Do you also believe in burning books that disagree with your opinions?
Snow said:
I True, it isn’t illegal. You also say that it isn’t immoral - perhaps but would you say that about other mind altering drugs (setting aside illegality) such as pot, cocaine and heroine? Although it’s less likely (than booze) people do use them recreationally - at least for a while.
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The Gospel according to Snow.

Ahhhhh…to be so perfect.
 
jim1130 said:
Wow, you are REALLY pious, sanctimonious, and self-righteous, aren’t you? Do you also believe in burning books that disagree with your opinions?

The Gospel according to Snow.

Ahhhhh…to be so perfect.
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Hey, that’s ok. Jesus came for the sick not the righteous. I’d rather be “sick”, if you know what I mean.
 
OT: Mods, I posted something in this thread yesterday. Was it deleted? It was back on page three or four. Did I say something wrong to Snow?
 
Snow said:
I’m not superior but I am enjoying reading how people justify their behavior. Seems like some are a little sensitive about their own behavior.

I describe alcohol as a mind altering drug because that is exactly what it is. Some may enjoy the taste but take away the mind altering properties and you’ve got a non-starter that wouldn’t sell.

True, it isn’t illegal. You also say that it isn’t immoral - perhaps but would you say that about other mind altering drugs (setting aside illegality) such as pot, cocaine and heroine? Although it’s less likely (than booze) people do use them recreationally - at least for a while.
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" Perhaps but would you like to say that about other mind altering drugs…"Snow

If I wanted to say something like that I would have said it. Alcoholic beverages are legal…if it was against the law it wouldn’t be moral to use it. Why would you be so pompous as to think anyone…anyone at all, would feel compelled to justify their behavior for you? . Now you just go and have yourself a nice day:rolleyes:
 
A little melodramatic, don’t you think? The Catechism mentions abuse of alcolhol, but not mederate use.
 
After finishing a nice meal of size altering food, and finishing my glass of mind altering wine, I was thinking about this:
pismopal said:
Alcoholic beverages are legal…if it was against the law it wouldn’t be moral to use it.
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When my kids were at home, they drank wine at Thanksgiving, Christmas, and Easter dinners with my wife and I. Illegal; probably. Immoral; I don’t think so.
pismopal said:
Why would you be so pompous as to think anyone, anyone at all, would feel compelled to justify their behavior for you? Now you just go and have yourself a nice day:rolleyes:
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I agree. I feel no need to justify this glass of wine anymore than the food I just ate.
Snow said:
Besides - there nothing worse that a drunk Christian.
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Being an overweight Christian isn’t healthy either.
 
Snow said:
Maybe cuz some believe that consumption as mind-altering drugs is not not the kind of thing Christians ought to do.

Besides - there nothing worse that a drunk Christian.
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How about a self-righteous one?
 
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reteeks21:
How about a self-righteous one?

I’ll take a tipsy Christian over a self-righteous ANYTHING pretty much anytime. 😃
 
As most of you know, drinking wine, Red wine especially in moderation is healthy for your heart. Syrahs, Petite Syrahs and Pinot Noir have the highest concentrations of the “good stuff” for your cardiovascular system. Moderate drinkers outlive non drinkers by an average of 10 years.

Peace
 
DocSoos said:
As most of you know, drinking wine, Red wine especially in moderation is healthy for your heart. Syrahs, Petite Syrahs and Pinot Noir have the highest concentrations of the “good stuff” for your cardiovascular system. Moderate drinkers outlive non drinkers by an average of 10 years.

Peace
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But you’re missing the point.

For those of us who are lifelong teetotallers raised in a non-drinking world, this fact–and we accept it as fact-- doesn’t matter. We will not drink.

My father, who turned 75 a few weeks ago, is a life-long teetotaller who exemplifies healthy living. If the doctor tells him to do something, he does it. He would like to live forever, and be healthy forever. But he won’t drink. He hates the taste and smell of liquor and he considers it unnecessary and dangerous.

(Incidentally, he also refuses to eat garlic, even though everyone knows that garlic is good for a body. BTW, I hate garlic, too.)

Those of you who choose to drink–that’s fine. But please, please don’t castigate those of us who choose NOT to drink and give us a list of all the many advantages of drinking. It won’t matter to us.

I could give a huge list of all the reasons why all of you should take up the sport of figure skating, either as a fan or as an athlete. But I’m willing to bet that most of you won’t take up figure skating, not because it is against your morals or you find it disgusting, but mainly because you just don’t enjoy it and you don’t like being in skating rinks. Fine.

I realize that some non-drinkers criticize drinking–well, perhaps you should listen to us just a little. A lot of what we say is worth remembering–people who are not drunk DO get in DUI accidents and kill innocent people. People DO say and do foolish things while drinking (not necessarily drunk) that they regret afterwards. People DO get addicted and end up alcoholics. Alcohol DOES alter the mood–that’s why so many of you drink, right?–because it makes you a jollier fellow. Alcohol DOES lower inhibitions.

I say, let’s just live and let live, OK? But when I say that, I mean–let me and mine live, OK? Don’t kill us driving drunk–that heinous action makes it even more difficult for those of us who abstain to even give alcohol a hearing. If there were no alcohol, no one would die in a drunk driving accident. Sigh.
 
Snow said:
Well that’s demonstrably untrue:

Luke 1:15

NAS: and he will drink no wine or liquor,

NIV: He is never to take wine or other fermented drink,
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You mean John the Baptist, not Jesus the Christ!
 
Stephen168 said:
I first was made aware of this man-made (begging the question fallacy) argument from a mormon when I was in high school.
  • Drinking alcohol is wrong
  • Christ would not do anything wrong
  • Therefore Christ did not drink
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Let’s try it this way:
  • Christ did drink alcohol
  • Christ would not do anything wrong
  • Therefore drinking alcohol is not wrong
 
Drinking alcohol is fine, but going out to a party and playing 99 bottles of beer on the wall (literally) is not. It kills brain cells, and it can get you really bad beaten up (happens).
 
ChristianKnight said:
Drinking alcohol is fine, but going out to a party and playing 99 bottles of beer on the wall (literally) is not. It kills brain cells, and it can get you really bad beaten up (happens).
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I don’t think anyone here is disputing the sin of drunkenness.
 
placido said:
Let’s try it this way:
  • Christ did drink alcohol
  • Christ would not do anything wrong
  • Therefore drinking alcohol is not wrong
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THATS NOT WHAT THE BIBLE HAS TO SAY; Matt. 26:27,29; Mark 14:23,25; Luke 22:17-18; 1 Cor. 11:25-27 - Jesus instituted the Eucharist using wine and commanded us to “do this in remembrance of me.” We know that Jesus instituted the Eucharist at the Jewish seder meal, which required the use of wine. Yet some Protestant churches forbid drinking wine. Such a prohibition is not based on the Scriptures.

Luke 7:33-34 - God the Son drank wine and was accused of being a drunk. Are those Protestant churches that forbid the drinking of wine doing the same?

John 2:1-11 - Jesus’ first miracle was turning water into wine which was drunk at the wedding at Cana. Wine is a symbol of the life of the Church, in both the Eucharist and, here, the sanctification of the sacrament of marriage. Verse 10 also indicates that the people drank enough wine at the feast to the point that they might not have recognized good wine from bad wine. Yet Jesus creates for them more wine to drink.

1 Tim. 5:23 - Paul tells Timothy to drink not just water, but a little wine for the sake of his stomach and frequent ailments. If Paul under divine inspiration encourages the drinking of wine, why do some Protestant churches prohibit it?

Gen. 14:18 - Melchizedek offers a bread and wine sacrifice, and Jesus is the Priest in the same manner. Heb. 5:6,10; 6:20; 7:15,17.

Gen. 27:25 - Isaac brought Jacob wine, and he drank, with God’s favor.

Neh. 8:10 - Nehemiah commands the faithful to drink sweet wine to celebrate the Lord and His holy day.

Psalm 104:15 - the Psalmist writes that “wine gladdens the heart of a man.” God gave us the fruit of the vine to enjoy.

Ecclesiastes 9:7 - “drink your wine with a merry heart, for God approves what you do.”

Wisdom 2:7 - “Let us take our fill of costly wine and perfumes!”

Sir. 31:25-28 - “Wine is like life if drunk in moderation.” God created wine to make us glad, so we rejoice in heart, and have gladness of soul.

Sir. 40:20 - “Wine gladdens the heart.”

Isaiah 25:6 - God will provide a feast of rich foods and choice wines.

Amos 9:14 - God declares that His people shall plant their vineyards and drink their wine.

Zech. 10:7 - God says that when He saves His people, their hearts shall be glad as with wine.

2 Mac. 15:39 - this verse also describes the pleasure of drinking wine. The point is that all God made is good, and we are called to enjoy His good gifts, including drinking wine, as long as we do so in moderation. And while we drink in moderation, the miracle that Jesus performed at the wedding feast at Cana suggests that we can have a second glass!

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