Why do some Protestants think

[ColoradoCatholic]

Unless you tell us where you are coming from, then none of what you are saying can be confirmed or denied. As of right now, you ARE answering for all the denominations, most of which probably disagree with your own personal beliefs. So I fail to see how you aren’t speaking for “the protestants” in a general sense of the term.

Once again, you are failing to provide sufficient information to prove po18guy wrong by avoiding the question at hand: where are you coming from? What denomination are you? and why is what he said wrong?

 

[TC3033]

Unless you tell us where you are coming from, then none of what you are saying can be confirmed or denied.

That’s fine. It doesn’t matter, and not necessary. I can speak for my faith background, and those that share it enough, for it to be fairly impossible for one to say “protestants believe XYZ about the Catholic Church”. If I can, as a non-Catholic Christian, confirm that to be a vocal minority…if that somehow isn’t good enough for you than so be it.

As of right now, you ARE answering for all the denominations

No, I’m answering for my faith background (and others I know), that when one comes in and says that we need something to prove the Catholic Church as false or evil, if I say that’s false…there may be a vocal minority…but otherwise that’s good enough for me.

Once again, you are failing to provide sufficient information

and why is what he said wrong?

I think my feedback in post 40 was pretty sufficient.

 

[OrbisNonSufficit]

And most of us don’t think, or care, either way.

Most of who?

No, I can speak for we.

For who?

I know people that aren’t Catholic that agree on everything with the Church.

Does that mean those people believe Catholic Church is completely correct about being One True Church, without which no one can be saved, believe that Protestant Reformation was unjustified and that Protestant Denominations would do better to return to Catholic Church… and they still don’t actually become Catholics? I don’t quite follow.

If someone indeed believes Catholic Church not to be in error and never to have been, then Protestant Reformation is not justified. Hence Protestant Reformation would be a bad thing, and hence it would be better to join Christ’s Church than some offshoot. Of course, that all rests on accepting my premise… otherwise you’d need to justify split from Catholic Church.

The post lumped all non-Catholic Christians into a group.

Oh no, not at all. I don’t see anything about Orthodoxy, I don’t see anything about non-Trinitarian Christians… I would not say all. It specifically speaks about Protestants but NOT about “all” the Protestants. It is basically not generalizing Protestants but pointing out that some Protestants do this. I am not even sure how did you get the idea it generalizes lol.

We’re supposed to be brothers and sisters.

And we are. Would you not introduce your brothers and sisters to Christianity if they were Atheist? Would you not introduce them into Trinity if they were non-Trinitarian? Same way, if I believe Catholic Church is Christ’s Church, there is nothing wrong with defending Her not recommending Her. That’s the point.

 

[Horton]

The majority of us see the Catholic Church as another Christian Church down the street,

However the Catholic Church isn’t just another Christian church down the street, it is the One, Holy, Apostolic, Catholic Church.

Secondly, they have separated from mother Church. If there is no compelling reason for that separation, they must return

This is a factual statement. The Protestant churches came from those initial movements that separated from the Catholic Church, the Church founded by Jesus Christ 33 AD. In order to continue the separation many of the newer churches, especially the non-denomination ones have to keep the idea of the Catholic Church being evil and of satan to justify why they remain separated.

 

[TC3033]

Most of who?

For who?

Us non-Catholic Christians

Does that mean those people believe Catholic Church is completely correct about being One True Church, without which no one can be saved, believe that Protestant Reformation was unjustified and that Protestant Denominations would do better to return to Catholic Church… and they still don’t actually become Catholics? I don’t quite follow.

You’d have to ask them… What you guys don’t realize is…the majority of us don’t study the Catholic Church…we actually share many beliefs and don’t go out looking for reasons not to be Catholic.

Oh no, not at all.

Seriously…

It is basically not generalizing Protestants but pointing out that some Protestants do this. I am not even sure how did you get the idea it generalizes lol.

You honestly have to be kidding…or grasping.

Same way, if I believe Catholic Church is Christ’s Church, there is nothing wrong with defending Her not recommending Her. That’s the point.

And I can’t make a point defending my faith background. That sounds like what you’re kinda trying to say.

However the Catholic Church isn’t just another Christian church down the street, it is the One, Holy, Apostolic, Catholic Church.

Um OK, to the majority of us, you’re your our brothers and sisters doing your best to get to heaven. We’re not running around looking for reasons to disagree with you.

This is a factual statement.

Possibly at the beginning at the reformation.

In order to continue the separation many of the newer churches, especially the non-denomination ones have to keep the idea of the Catholic Church being evil and of satan to justify why they remain separated.

This is extremely incorrect, and rude. This should be removed.

 

[ColoradoCatholic]

I think its pretty unhelpful to say that someone is completely wrong and then fallback to a “safe” position of total ambiguity. This is a “drive by” apologetic argument and doesn’t really help anyone.

The reason I say this is because if you have THE TRUTH and are trying to evangelize because what you believe is right, I have the utmost respect for you. However, when you simply say that someone is wrong and fail to provide any assistance or fail attempt to backup your claim then its not really evangelization, its just shooting ideas at someone and a wasted effort.

 

[OrbisNonSufficit]

Us non-Catholic Christians

So “us” means all non-Catholic Christians , but you are against generalizing… ?

What you guys don’t realize is…the majority of us don’t study the Catholic Church…

Oh we do realize that alright. We are mostly talking about those who do, of course. Most of us/you do not write Bible footnotes either.

Seriously…

I am serious. Protestants are not all non-Catholic Christians. First you accuse OP of generalizing all Protestants then you do this

You honestly have to be kidding…or grasping.

No. Title of thread even says “Why do some Protestants think” …

And I can’t make a point defending my faith background. That sounds like what you’re kinda trying to say.

Oh no, not at all. Interesting observation indeed, but that one eluded me. I was more focused on fact po18guy did kinda defend Catholicism against some accusations.

This is extremely incorrect, and rude. This should be removed.

Why would it be incorrect? Again he said “many” not all, and from my experience he is correct.

(well depends on definition of word “many” but I don’t think it is a misinformation anyway)

I think its pretty unhelpful to say that someone is completely wrong and then fallback to a “safe” position of total ambiguity. This is a “drive by” apologetic argument and doesn’t really help anyone.

The reason I say this is because if you have THE TRUTH and are trying to evangelize because what you believe is right, I have the utmost respect for you. However, when you simply say that someone is wrong and fail to provide any assistance or fail attempt to backup your claim then its not really evangelization, its just shooting ideas at someone and a wasted effort.

Exactly what I’ve been (very unsuccessfully from my side) trying to express.

 

[TC3033]

I think its pretty unhelpful to say that someone is completely wrong and then fallback to a “safe” position of total ambiguity. This is a “drive by” apologetic argument and doesn’t really help anyone.

Sorry you feel that way.

If you really need to know, although it really doesn’t matter, I come from a non-denominational background, but have been attending Mass for the past 20 years with my wife while we are currently investigating making a move the Lutheranism.

Is that good enough, cover enough bases?

So “us” means all non-Catholic Christians , but you are against generalizing… ?

Actually it doesn’t I can speak for us non-Catholic Christians that not all of us feel that way.

I sat through a homily with my family. The priest was speaking of family, dating, etc…and finished it by saying he didn’t understand why Catholic women don’t exclusively go for Catholic Men. Catholic men will respect you, these “others” won’t. They will see you as a toy.

Is that what you think, it came from a priest? Am I a woman user, or can you say that “we” don’t believe that?

Why would it be incorrect? Again he said “many” not all, and from my experience he is correct.

(well depends on definition of word “many” but I don’t think it is a misinformation anyway)

It’s not many…that’d be why, I would say the very vocal minority (but again…how do you define many)…but, with that said, there’s many who think the Westboro Baptists speak for all of us so

 

[OrbisNonSufficit]

It’s not many…that’d be why, I would say the very vocal minority (but again…how do you define many)…but, with that said, there’s many who think the Westboro Baptists speak for all of us so

“Many” doesn’t even mean “Most” that’s the point… there can be many Protestants who believe Catholic Church is evil and then other 90% that believes they aren’t- even then both sides are correct.

Is that what you think, it came from a priest? Am I a woman user, or can you say that “we” don’t believe that?

What Priests mostly mean is “non-Christian men would not respect women as much”… but even then, it is a warning about chance. Catholic man is bound by his faith to respect women. One can not generalize about Protestants or Non-Christians or anything like that… so finding a true believing man might let women have better chances of not being used… and since speaking to Catholics (who should ideally marry Catholics which is why one needs dispensation for not doing so, but not topic I wanna get into right now) it is logical to make such claims.

Generally speaking, I can say “Catholics don’t believe this” because Church has said so. There is no comparable authority in most forms of Protestantism so this doesn’t really help, but that is my answer nevertheless.

 

[TC3033]

What Priests mostly mean is…

You didn’t answer my question. We will… about women. He made a will statement. Is that what you believe?

it is logical to make such claims.

It’s logical to say us non-Catholics are women users. Interesting.

 

[OrbisNonSufficit]

You didn’t answer my question. We will… about women. He made a will statement. Is that what you believe?

That there is higher guarantee inside the Church than outside it? Sure. That everyone WILL ? No, and I doubt Priest meant that. You do know he didn’t mean every single one of non-Catholic men would do that… come on now.

Then why can a priest go one way…

I don’t think we’ve established he was wrong but I guess you like to assume he was. Anyway it is objectively true Priests can sometimes be in error- they are just human. They are not entire Magisterium.

It’s logical to say us non-Catholics are women users. Interesting.

Why would you think that it is logical to say non-Catholics are women users? Do you think that about yourself?

I said it is logical to warn someone against being used.

 

[TC3033]

You do know he didn’t mean every single one of non-Catholic men would do that… come on now.

It’s a will statement…words have meanings.

I don’t think we’ve established he was wron

Again, a WILL statement. Those other than Catholic WILL not respect you (women). True or False. I’ll take T or F as an answer.

guess you like to assume he was.

I’d like to not think of myself as a woman user, and neither my wife…so.

Why would you think that it is logical to say non-Catholics are women users? Do you think that about yourself?

You said it, not I.

I said it is logical to warn someone against being used.

Sure, but is it logical to tell them non-Catholics WILL do it?

 

[OrbisNonSufficit]

It’s a will statement…words have meanings.

Context matters. Yes, non-Catholics will sin. Yes, Catholics will sin. Not all, but some certainly. That is our fallen human nature.

I’ve passed several university subjects about mathematical logic, implications and such things. I don’t think your “words have meanings” is anything new to me, but perhaps you ought to consider that you are forcing your meaning into the sentence. You are taking sentence in a fashion that “all non-Catholics will use women” while Priest said “non-Catholics will use women”, without “all” part. That clearly means if there are at least 2 non-Catholics that used women from time Priest made that statement, he is correct and you are wrong.

Again, a WILL statement. Those other than Catholic WILL not respect you (women). True or False. I’ll take T or F as an answer.

I don’t think I care what you take as an answer… answer is more complicated than options you are giving me.

You said it, not I.

Nope. I said that it is logical to warn someone they might be used. I even went into depth to explain it… oh well

I feel like we are derailing thread far too much. I’ll just say that I have heard similar homilies than what you have described and their point was that people should try to find someone who is going to fulfill real goal of marriage with them - to attain salvation and raise children in Catholic Faith. That’s much less likely to do with non-Catholics, and many non-Christians or those unserious about their faith (Catholics qualify here too) tend to view relationships differently, and using someone can happen. That’s what Priests are saying.

 

[TC3033]

I’ve passed several university subjects about mathematical logic, implications and such things.

Oh fun, I as well…

I don’t think your “words have meanings” is anything new to me, but perhaps you ought to consider that you are forcing your meaning into the sentence. You are taking sentence in a fashion that “all non-Catholics will use women” while Priest said “non-Catholics will use women”, without “all” part. That clearly means if there are at least 2 non-Catholics that used women from time Priest made that statement, he is correct and you are wrong.

I also understand public speaking and the persuasive speech. It’s interesting that one would say that Catholic boys will be the ones to respect you (but leaving out that non-Catholics can…and probably will as well) and then making the statement that the “others” won’t (without mentioning that Catholic boys will as well, remember only takes 2) seems…IDK, misleading, at best…by your mathematical logic…don’t you think (almost seems like forcing a meaning in, with a cop out).

I feel like we are derailing thread far too much. I’ll just say that I have heard similar homilies…

Fair enough, like I’ve always said…I’m glad my wife never came here for relationship advice…

 

[Dan_Defender]

(Remind me again what’s wrong with KJV except that it’s really, really hard to read?)

It does not correspond to the Canon of Scripture (Council of Rome 382 AD). Yes I know there is an Appendix with the 7 OT books but the Protestants I know simply reject anything in the Appendix.

 

[thelovelyone]

(Remind me again what’s wrong with KJV except that it’s really, really hard to read?)

It doesn’t have the deuterocanonical books which Catholics accept as scripture. (The version that the Protestants have anyway.)

 

[Apache78]

I don’t think he/she is being rude. There is a lot of anti-Catholic hate from the protestant churches. I have heard this many times in my life. That the C.C is of the devil and has lost its way. Wrong. Christ never left His Church. People have left it for their own desires, not Christ.

 

[Apache78]

And what does it say in Revelations about removing from the Bible?

 

[thelovelyone]

Revelation 22:19 NABRE: “and if anyone takes away from the words in this prophetic book, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city described in this book.”

 

[Apache78]

Exactly. So why would a man think he has the right to remove what are considered Scripture?