Why do some stay in the Catholic Church while seeming to hate the Church with all their being?

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McCall1981 said:
I think the main reason people like this stay in the Church is pride. It’s not enough for them to just leave, because they don’t want to just find people that agree with them, they want to actively assert their will on others, and they can only do this in a place (like the Church) that “resists” their will.

Also, to some degree, some of them may deep down have a sense that the Church is right, and this nags at them, so while they want to assert their will on the Church, they also can’t quite let go.

To the person saying that this thread is judging others, there is nothing judgemental in asking why someone would belong to a group that they disagree with; it’s a perfectly valid question.

My guess would be that many of these people that hate the Church, yet stay nominally part of it, would feel very uncomforable if they had to honestly look into themselves and confront this question head on. They would see parts of themselves that they would not like see, and that is why this question is often danced around, or completely avoided.
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crystal ball? tea leaves? OBE?🤷
 
Julianna, Do I understand correctly that you’ve been a catholic your whole life and never had it explained to you that you are a sinner who needs to repent in order to receive the mercy and salvation of Christ?

Please tell me I read that wrong. Maybe you just object to the “saved” terminology more often used in protestant circles? Don’t let vocab be an obstacle to meaning. Catholic teaching on Original Sin is in substantial agreement with the protestants on the necessity of Grace in order for us sinners to be saved.
 
livingwordunity said:
There are a significant proportion of Catholics who believe that the Catholic Church has a “war on women” and that the Church and all the Church’s bishops and all who agree with the Church’s teachings are bigoted. If someone called you a bigot wouldn’t you start to wonder if they didn’t like you? 🙂
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They don’t come to the Church to ‘like’ anyone. They come for correction, hopefully. If they come for other reasons, Christ is more than capable of caring for His Church, as He promised.
 
TimeEntrance said:
There really aren’t any orthodox Catholics that post on this website so far as I can tell.
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I am one. That’s why I didn’t panic when Pope Francis became the new Pope. I have complete confidence in him as I did for Pope John Paul II and Benedict XVI because I know that the Holy Spirit guides the Vicar of Christ. That’s why whatever is taught by the Magisterium of the Catholic Church I accept as my own beliefs with no ifs, ands, or buts.🙂
 
livingwordunity said:
I am one. That’s why I didn’t panic when Pope Francis became the new Pope. I have complete confidence in him as I did for Pope John Paul II and Benedict XVI because I know that the Holy Spirit guides the Vicar of Christ. That’s why whatever is taught by the Magisterium of the Catholic Church I accept as my own beliefs with no ifs, ands, or buts.🙂
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Any sin is at odds with Catholic teaching.
 
Why do some stay in the Catholic Church while seeming to hate the Church with all their being?

Fear.
Fear of change.
Fear of their doubts.
Fear that doubting and leaving would keep them from the healing hope of Christ and His Church.

Maybe? I don’t know
 
Fairwinds said:
truth. we don’t want sinners in our church.
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Straw man. The OP isn’t about ridding the Church of sinners. It is specifically about people who hate the Catholic Church, people who say the Church has a “war on women”, is bigoted, etc… 🙂
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Any sin is at odds with Catholic teaching.
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We are all sinners. I never denied that. But the Church doesn’t say that all sins are equal and neither did Christ. Like I said before, the OP isn’t about ridding the Church of sinners. It’s specifically a question about people who hate the Catholic Church, people who falsely accuse the Church of having a “war on women”, being bigoted, etc. 🙂
 
manualman said:
Surely you can perceive the difference between a sin that springs from weakness and stubborn sin in which the sinner rationalizes the sin into a virtue!
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So some sins are acceptable to the Church? No. All sins is at odds. It is individual perception to qualify another person’s sins, over their own.
 
livingwordunity said:
Straw man. The OP isn’t about ridding the Church of sinners. It is specifically about people who hate the Catholic Church, people who say the Church has a “war on women”, is bigoted, etc… 🙂
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Show us those Catholics that attend the Church, yet ‘hate’ it.
 
livingwordunity said:
We are all sinners. I never denied that. But the Church doesn’t say that all sins are equal and neither did Christ. Like I said before, the OP isn’t about ridding the Church of sinners. It’s specifically a question about people who hate the Catholic Church, people who falsely accuse the Church of having a “war on women”, being bigoted, etc. 🙂
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Remember what Christ said about seeing other persons sins with a beam in your own eye. Because all sins are not equal does not justify segregation among the laypersons.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Show us those Catholics that attend the Church, yet ‘hate’ it.
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Like I said to Fairwinds, the OP didn’t call anyone out or condemn anyone. And I’m not going to allow anyone to goad me into doing it either. 🙂
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Remember what Christ said about seeing other persons sins with a beam in your own eye. Because all sins are not equal does not justify segregation among the laypersons.
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Why does this straw man continue to come up in this thread? The OP isn’t about ridding the Church of sinners. 🙂
 
livingwordunity said:
Like I said to Fairwinds, the OP didn’t call anyone out or condemn anyone. And I’m not going to allow anyone to goad me into doing it either. 🙂
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You said it again in the post that I quoted. Show us the people that attend the Church while ‘hating’ it.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Remember what Christ said about seeing other persons sins with a beam in your own eye. Because all sins are not equal does not justify segregation among the laypersons.
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Here you go again, erroneously accusing others of what you yourself are doing.

Can you not see the difference between 1. my committing adultery and 2. my complaining to all who will listen that the Church calls adultery a sin?

Can you not see the difference between someone who says The Church teaches X is a sin and someone who says, Well, the Church says X is a sin, but I think X is ok and the Church should support those people *in their sin. *
 
livingwordunity said:
You are reading into it what I did not say. That’s called a straw man argument. 🙂
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Why do some stay in the Catholic Church while seeming to hate the Church with all their being? Then in the first post it defines the differences of those ‘bad’ Catholics and those ‘model Catholics.’

It’s innuendo at the least, and goading at it’s worse, in my honest opinion. Then of course it’s viewed in light of other threads, and posts.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
The OP is about questioning why certain sinners stay in the Church. It’s evident in the title.
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Yes, the question is precisely that. Why do members of a certain class stay in the Church? It is *not *why do we not kick those people out. It is *not *why don’t we hate on those people. It is *not *how fan we idenify and vilify those people. It is simply, why do those people stay in the Church?

Do you have a suggestion about a reason those people stay in the Church?
 
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