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jtauke
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So they go somewhere. But we can’t say where.
Why do we as Catholics believe that life begins at conception?
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clem456
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How do you know this? Why would you not assume they are in paradise?So it’s purgatory for those unlucky souls whose fertilized egg fails to implant? Them being unbaptized and all…
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jtauke
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Quote from CCC on the post above makes it sound like we don’t know where they go. I mean I guess you can assume, but from what I can see you can’t know for sure, right?
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clem456
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There’s lotsa things I don’t know for sure. Lots.
The Church entrusts them to the mercy of God. You have anything better?
God is not bound by the sacraments. And we also hold that Baptism by water is not the only form of baptism.
He can do what he pleases, and he is love after all, so I am full of hope for these human beings who never had the opportunity to offend God.
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ynotzap
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The present teaching of the Church, Limbo, is a place adjoinging Hell, where the just who died in the grace of God before Christianity dwelled until they were liberated by Christ and where babies who die without baptism dwell and remain forever. Tradition begins especially with the Greek Fathers, to differentiate between adults who die in personal sin and infants who die with original sin, who can not enter Heaven of the blessed and yet cannot share the fate of the damned in Hell. In reacting against Pelagianism, which denied the transmission of original sin and its consequences, St.Augustine, endeavoring to defend this truth held that babies who die without bqaptism will be subjected to the pain of fire, albeit very slight, on account of original sin
This opinion later on infllluenced some theologians, but did not hinder the course of the other more correct and more benign opinion, according to which babies who die without baptism will suffer ONLY privation of the beatific vision. this opinion was defended by St.Thomas, and from then on prevailed in the schools. the babies in Limbo will not enjoy the vision of God, but will not be unhappy on this score, since the beatific vision is a supernatural good of which they have no knowledge. Some theologians (Billot) think that limbo is the eternal residence not only of babies and abnormal adults who did not have the use of reason, but also of certain classes of men of low-grade civilization, who are comparable to babies in the lack of development of moral consciousness.
A strange opinion has recently gained favor in the theologies of Protestants and Orthodox Schismatics who, by abusive interpretation of some gospel experessions (Matt.12:32; 1Pet. 3:18;4;6) hold that all pagans are evangelized in limbo after their death and given the possibility of conversion and salvation. This opinion is critically untenable. (Dogmatic Theology)
Th infusion of the soul (the time of) is covered in the above posts. The time of infusion does not alter the truth that the conceptus ( the fertilized ovum) is indeed the beginning of human life, God’s plan of human development, to abort the the conceptus, or fetus (stages of human development) is to abort human life The infusion of the spiritual soul is a direct act of God and is part of the development, all stages are necessary for human life, and person.
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