Why do we as Catholics believe that life begins at conception?

[Rau]

My position on abortion is not based on Hinduism (although belief about reincarnation is part of it)…

That’s good to know. Many people do as you have done - they pick and choose the parts of a religious faith tradition they will accept, and other parts they will reject.

 

[jilly4ski]

My position on abortion is not based on Hinduism (although belief about reincarnation is part of it). I am sure there are many Hindu scholars who are anti-abortion, but there is no ‘pro-life’ movement to speak of in India (although Indians will protest just about anything)
It is not his fault if people misinterpret. But I am sure he will explain well.
I am glad you like it.

There are no Hindus who remember past lives either - not remembering is part of process, otherwise life would be too burdensome.

Of course all humans (Hindus or Christians) go thru the same process. Christ never said there is only life or one death (probably Paul said that),

The designated soul of an aborted fetus is at the front of the queue to be born at the next chance, so its life is merely postponed rather than completely lost. I am not even sure that most souls mind very much. It is like being told you school year has been postponed, in some cases that may be a relief.

You still haven’t explained how something can be alive and have not have a soul.

 

[estesbob]

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Of course, when someone like the Christ returns, we will finally have an authority that can not be questioned.

He has returned. I saw him Thursday at 7AM He was selling newspapers on the corner -he was still there when I drove back by at 6PM. I saw him again when I visited my Memorial Herman Hospital-he was in the neo-natal unit with all sorts of tubes sticking in him. And them this morning I gently held him in my hand and followed his admonition to eat his body and drink his blood. I didn’t see him but I felt his presence when I drove by the Houston PP clinic-there were pieces of him in the garbage.

It is sad to see people awaiting the return of Christ when he has been here all along.

 

[petra22]

He has returned. I saw him Thursday at 7AM He was selling newspapers on the corner -he was still there when I drove back by at 6PM. I saw him again when I visited my Memorial Herman Hospital-he was in the neo-natal unit with all sorts of tubes sticking in him. And them this morning I gently held him in my hand and followed his admonition to eat his body and drink his blood. I didn’t see him but I felt his presence when I drove by the Houston PP clinic-there were pieces of him in the garbage.

It is sad to see people awaiting the return of Christ when he has been here all along.

Your post brought tears of sorrow for the truth you told…:crying:

 

[petra22]

Hey, I copied this from another post.

Single mother, 21, hanged herself to Ed Sheeran song Small Bump after being haunted by her decision to have an abortion

A young mother was left so haunted by her decision to abort an unborn child that she hanged herself while listening to an Ed Sheeran song about the heartbreak of miscarriage.

Jade Rees, 21, had a termination when her five month relationship with the baby’s father broke down and he began dating another woman.

But the mother-of-one’s decision left her ‘upset and distressed’ - and three weeks later she took her own life.

Miss Rees left handwritten notes addressed to her parents and two-year-old son, explaining the struggle she had faced since the devastating procedure, in which she stressed that her little boy ‘means everything to me’.

She died while listening to the Ed Sheeran song Small Bump - a first person account of a miscarried child, written from the point of view of one of the songwriter’s closest friends.

An inquest into her death revealed Miss Rees, from Oldham, Greater Manchester, had a history of eating disorders and had battled depression since she was just 14.

She had been prescribed antidepressants after being diagnosed with anorexia but was taken off the tablets when she fell pregnant with her son in 2013.

Although she split from the boy’s father when she was just four months pregnant, the then teenager coped ‘exceptionally well’ as a doting single mother.

She met her most recent boyfriend in early 2015 but they split after she became pregnant with his child. Her pregnancy was terminated in October. It is not known how far gone she was at the time of the procedure.

The Heywood hearing was told Miss Rees’ mental state worsened when she visited a pub she used to frequent with her ex-partner - only to discover he had asked the landlord to bar her.

She then overdosed on prescription and over the counter pills twice in 48 hours. On the second occasion her father had to rush her to Royal Oldham Hospital’s A&E department, where she stayed for two days before being declared medically fit for discharge.

Doctors did however refer her to psychiatric services for a full and thorough assessment.

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Isn’t this sad? And who is it that will have to answer for her depression at being forced into an abortion by a not so serious father of her child–again???
This is the biggest cause for hurt inflicted on pregnant women…

 

[ynotzap]

Hey, I copied this from another post.

Single mother, 21, hanged herself to Ed Sheeran song Small Bump after being haunted by her decision to have an abortion

A young mother was left so haunted by her decision to abort an unborn child that she hanged herself while listening to an Ed Sheeran song about the heartbreak of miscarriage.

Jade Rees, 21, had a termination when her five month relationship with the baby’s father broke down and he began dating another woman.

But the mother-of-one’s decision left her ‘upset and distressed’ - and three weeks later she took her own life.

Miss Rees left handwritten notes addressed to her parents and two-year-old son, explaining the struggle she had faced since the devastating procedure, in which she stressed that her little boy ‘means everything to me’.

She died while listening to the Ed Sheeran song Small Bump - a first person account of a miscarried child, written from the point of view of one of the songwriter’s closest friends.

An inquest into her death revealed Miss Rees, from Oldham, Greater Manchester, had a history of eating disorders and had battled depression since she was just 14.

She had been prescribed antidepressants after being diagnosed with anorexia but was taken off the tablets when she fell pregnant with her son in 2013.

Although she split from the boy’s father when she was just four months pregnant, the then teenager coped ‘exceptionally well’ as a doting single mother.

She met her most recent boyfriend in early 2015 but they split after she became pregnant with his child. Her pregnancy was terminated in October. It is not known how far gone she was at the time of the procedure.

The Heywood hearing was told Miss Rees’ mental state worsened when she visited a pub she used to frequent with her ex-partner - only to discover he had asked the landlord to bar her.

She then overdosed on prescription and over the counter pills twice in 48 hours. On the second occasion her father had to rush her to Royal Oldham Hospital’s A&E department, where she stayed for two days before being declared medically fit for discharge.

Doctors did however refer her to psychiatric services for a full and thorough assessment.

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Isn’t this sad? And who is it that will have to answer for her depression at being forced into an abortion by a not so serious father of her child–again???
This is the biggest cause for hurt inflicted on pregnant women…

Yes, and this confirms that human nature is afflicted by the effects of original sin and it’s effects, the proclivity to the pleasures of sensuality, to follow the dictates of feelings of lust, rather than to the dictates of one’s informed conscience,because the lack of knowing the truth which can be known through the Bible and the guidance of the Christian Catholic Church founded by Jesus Christ, God-man and Savior. Ignorance is another consequence of original sin committed by Adam. How can the blind, lead the blind when their consciences are not informed with the truth? How can they conquer the father of lies, and deceit, and are not even conscious of his reality and his influence on the minds of men?

 

[estesbob]

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Isn’t this sad? And who is it that will have to answer for her depression at being forced into an abortion by a not so serious father of her child–again???
This is the biggest cause for hurt inflicted on pregnant women…

What is really sad is the posts in reply that will claim its pro-life advocates fault because we “stigmitize” having an abortiobn

 

[Micosil]

What is really sad is the posts in reply that will claim its pro-life advocates fault because we “stigmitize” having an abortiobn

And they thus neglect the true sorrow and regret this woman felt for doing something objectively wrong.

 

[estesbob]

And they thus neglect the true sorrow and regret this woman felt for doing something objectively wrong.

Correct. What is not often discussed is the sorrow of the father. When I was a CPC counselor I helped facilitate a support group for men who’s child had been aborted -either with or without their approval.

 

[TK421]

Hello!
I am passionately and intensely pro-life, not just for religious but also secular reasons. In my advocacy, I’ve come across the question of why we as Catholics believe that life does begin at conception. I understand and accept the scientific reasoning for it, which is that at no other time does it make sense that life begins, but I was wondering what the theological argument was for life beginning at conception.
Thanks!

According to the dogma of the Immaculate Conception, Mary was free of original sin from the moment of her conception in the womb.

 

[Micosil]

Correct. What is not often discussed is the sorrow of the father. When I was a CPC counselor I helped facilitate a support group for men who’s child had been aborted -either with or without their approval.

I see. That is an interesting aspect most people don’t think about.

 

[Crown_of_Stars]

I will only say one thing, and then this is my last post on the evil of abortion.
It is idiotic to insist these unborn children are not a living human being with a soul.
A woman says she is “with child.”
“With child.” Women would never have said that if it weren’t true.
That child does not “turn into” a baby once it is born. It is absolutely idiotic.

 

[estesbob]

I will only say one thing, and then this is my last post on the evil of abortion.
It is idiotic to insist these unborn children are not a living human being with a soul.
A woman says she is “with child.”
“With child.” Women would never have said that if it weren’t true.
That child does not “turn into” a baby once it is born. It is absolutely idiotic.

Only time I’ve ever heard a woman describing her unborn child as a fetus is when she was contemplating killing it

 

[clem456]

I see. That is an interesting aspect most people don’t think about.

Death begets death just as life brings life.
The murder of one person harms all persons. Sin and evil are not private matters. In addition to the murdered human being, the evil harms the mother, the father, and all of society.

Every murder makes society that much more barbaric.

Not to be a pessimist, but sometimes it’s good to be real:
we live in the most barbaric society every known to human kind. We murder human beings on an industrial scale that no society, ever, has seen. Think about this for a second, and try to count the bodies. Just try.

What makes it most insidious is, industrial murder is cloaked in a warm blanket thrown on the mother, mollifying her with the deception that life’s choices are the ends of all morality, even to the destruction of those who stand in the way of those choices.

At the very least…the Nazis did not cloak their murder in much deception, they simply hated people and proposed their elimination.
We in modern industrial society, on the other hand, cannot even wring that small amount of honesty out of ourselves. We prefer to dance around definitions of what it means to be human.

 

[Micosil]

Death begets death just as life brings life.
The murder of one person harms all persons. Sin and evil are not private matters. In addition to the murdered human being, the evil harms the mother, the father, and all of society.

Every murder makes society that much more barbaric.

Not to be a pessimist, but sometimes it’s good to be real:
we live in the most barbaric society every known to human kind. We murder human beings on an industrial scale that no society, ever, has seen. Think about this for a second, and try to count the bodies. Just try.

What makes it most insidious is, industrial murder is cloaked in a warm blanket thrown on the mother, mollifying her with the deception that life’s choices are the ends of all morality, even to the destruction of those who stand in the way of those choices.

At the very least…the Nazis did not cloak their murder in much deception, they simply hated people and proposed their elimination.
We in modern industrial society, on the other hand, cannot even wring that small amount of honesty out of ourselves. We prefer to dance around definitions of what it means to be human.

When I think of abortion, I think of the demon Moloch.

https://exposednewsalternative.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/d4f54525fb8411ff887b0e7a0185c822.jpg

 

[petra22]

Death begets death just as life brings life.
The murder of one person harms all persons. Sin and evil are not private matters. In addition to the murdered human being, the evil harms the mother, the father, and all of society.

Every murder makes society that much more barbaric.

Not to be a pessimist, but sometimes it’s good to be real:
we live in the most barbaric society every known to human kind. We murder human beings on an industrial scale that no society, ever, has seen. Think about this for a second, and try to count the bodies. Just try.

What makes it most insidious is, industrial murder is cloaked in a warm blanket thrown on the mother, mollifying her with the deception that life’s choices are the ends of all morality, even to the destruction of those who stand in the way of those choices.

At the very least…the Nazis did not cloak their murder in much deception, they simply hated people and proposed their elimination.
We in modern industrial society, on the other hand, cannot even wring that small amount of honesty out of ourselves. We prefer to dance around definitions of what it means to be human.

Clem, that was a chilling post! Thanks for some real hard words…

 

[jtauke]

Conception is a sacred act.

Man brings sperm. Woman brings egg. God brings spirit.

All three unite to create new life. All three are required for conception. If the spirit isn’t present then it isn’t life. Something without a spirit is dead.

God places the spirit into the fertilized egg at the moment of conception.

-Tim-

So is that spirit recycled when a fertilized egg fails to implant in the uterus? I’m guessing this happens quite often…

 

[clem456]

So is that spirit recycled when a fertilized egg fails to implant in the uterus? I’m guessing this happens quite often…

No. Every single human being is unique.
(And I do like recycling, just not in the area of human existence. )

 

[jtauke]

No. Every single human being is unique.
(And I do like recycling, just not in the area of human existence. )

So it’s purgatory for those unlucky souls whose fertilized egg fails to implant? Them being unbaptized and all…

 

[davidv]

So it’s purgatory for those unlucky souls whose fertilized egg fails to implant? Them being unbaptized and all…

No.

1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus’ tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,"64 allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church’s call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism.