Why Do Women Even Want To Be Priests?

[Charlemagne_II]

larkin

Even Paul’s words on gender suggest that he was establishing a new rule, or a firmer, more explicit rule.

I don’t see this in Paul’s words. What he is responding to is the fact that that some women were trying to usurp the authority of the men in the assembly by speaking from the floor. Paul is reminding the assemblies that the women are to remain silent. This is not a new rule, but an old one from the OT that Paul is re-affirming. There is no instance anywhere in Scripture where women are given the floor to preach. None that I know of. That has been true until modern times, when the Protestants decided to break with yet another tradition, not only giving women the right to preach, but also sodomites living openly as such the right to become priests and bishops and to affirm gay marriage. Not every new policy is necessarily an expansion of human freedoms. Some new policies are merely the resurrection of old ones that were prohibited or condemned thousands of years ago by Moses, Jesus, and Paul.

 

[Betterave]

Yes, I admire the radical rebellion in Jesus. But he blew it around gender. And didn’t concern himself much about sexual orientation.

That is just silly. If you’re not interested in intelligent discussion of an issue, you really shouldn’t post here. You don’t have to agree with Catholic beliefs, but blatant, stupid question-begging like this is just plain disrespectful and, I would say, is a violation of forum rules.

 

[Charlemagne_II]

larkin
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Had Jesus said (and repeated) something memorable about followers and authority and gender, I imagine that later writers would have noted it. Paul’s remarks sure are famous! *

It could be that he said something about gender and authority when he picked twelve men to go forth and preach the gospel. Right? If he had wanted to even hint at coming gender role change, wouldn’t he have picked at least two women and ten men?

 

[BlueShadow123]

Priests don’t live in houses. They live in the Church, because part of their role is to guard the Eucharist - which they could not do, if they were not living in the same building with it, to guard it.

Actually thats not necessarily true. I know of many priests who live in houses that are near the church, some not even owned by the church.

 

[PRmerger]

Actually thats not necessarily true. I know of many priests who live in houses that are near the church, some not even owned by the church.

Who owns the house that these priests live in then?

 

[BlueShadow123]

Who owns the house that these priests live in then?

They do. I kinda thought you would have gotten that from my post.

 

[jmcrae]

larkin
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Had Jesus said (and repeated) something memorable about followers and authority and gender, I imagine that later writers would have noted it. Paul’s remarks sure are famous! *

It could be that he said something about gender and authority when he picked twelve men to go forth and preach the gospel. Right? If he had wanted to even hint at coming gender role change, wouldn’t he have picked at least two women and ten men?

Or, we could be talking about the 16 Apostles, instead of the 12.

But we’re not - which is how we know that Jesus never chose any of the four women who followed with Him, to be leaders of the Church, and Apostles. I think that, being God, He noticed that they were working just as hard as the men, and that they were just as bright and talented as the men. Plus, He added things to the role of women that had never been there before, and that were just as mind-blowing to the people of His time as female ordination to the priesthood would have been - inheritance, and baptism, with full and equal membership in the Church, except for the priesthood. These things were also completely unprecedented - it would not have been “more shocking” for Him to have added female ordination to the mix. He didn’t. Therefore, the Church cannot.

 

[PRmerger]

They do. I kinda thought you would have gotten that from my post.

I apologize for being obtuse.

I also apologize for being skeptical. How is it that you know that these “many priests” own their own home? Is it something you heard 2nd hand, or did you actually see their names on the mortgage?

 

[BlueShadow123]

I apologize for being obtuse.

I also apologize for being skeptical. How is it that you know that these “many priests” own their own home? Is it something you heard 2nd hand, or did you actually see their names on the mortgage?

Ive been to a couple of schools and also have quite a few catholic friends. A lot of the priests live by the church but I’ve never heard of a priest living in a church except in the movies.

I didn’t know they actually did that because the ones that I know and know of do not.

Plus my dads whole family is catholic, so going to their churches I did ask about the priests. None of them actually lived in the churches either. Kinda funny.

 

[PRmerger]

Ive been to a couple of schools and also have quite a few catholic friends. A lot of the priests live by the church but I’ve never heard of a priest living in a church except in the movies.

It’s called a rectory. That’s the normative place for a priest to live.

And are you really saying that the way you know these “many priests” own their own homes is because you have Catholic friends and your dad’s family is Catholic?

I bet if you asked these Catholic friends and family how they know they’d just do this:

 

[BlueShadow123]

It’s called a rectory. That’s the normative place for a priest to live.

And are you really saying that the way you know these “many priests” own their own homes is because you have Catholic friends and your dad’s family is Catholic?

I bet if you asked these Catholic friends and family how they know they’d just do this:

No its because they know where the priest lives. Like I said, many of them have even pointed out the house to me when we were passing. I mean why wouldn’t the church know where the priest lives? Of course they know! If they didn’t they would say they didn’t know. Its that simple.

But it sounds like you don’t believe me anyways. That is your choice. But enough about this. Who cares where the priest lives. I don’t care if he lives in the church or in his own house. Its his choice apparently.

 

[PbloPicasso]

Actually thats not necessarily true. I know of many priests who live in houses that are near the church, some not even owned by the church.

This is true and really not that unusual. Whether or not a parish has a rectory is simply dependent on many factors, one being diocese money. Diocesan priests do not take a vow of poverty as do religious. Our pastor is a religious and lives in a house a ways down from the parish. I believe the diocese owns the house, but it could easily be rented. Priests and bishops are paid approximately $18,000 per year. They use this to live. Some of the priest use that money for not only living but contributing to their own causes, like regular people. In fact, I’ve known some very wealthy priests in my life, viz., military priest that owned a brewery by inheritance. It happens. But my favorite type of priest is one that struggles like the rest of us. Poverty is the way to go.

I believe some women want to serve like men. I believe they may even be sincere. But why would they not simply consider the religious life, of which I have more respect? I believe there are just some people that feel it will make them a popular rock star symbol of something they love and respect. Priests are supposed to be noble and respectable, beyond question. Many clergy have become narcissist and give fa false sense of what their real ministry is supposed to comprise. It may be this image women are drawn to desire. I believe there are many men that would make better priests than what we have and others that are already priest that probably shouldn’t be. My arguments for allowing a married priesthood is not to abolish celibacy but to help those that have chosen such a difficult path. The right man with a wife like mine would make a wonderful priest. The same is true for Protestant ministers, something we know about in our family. But we also know how difficult marriage is as a preacher too. Frankly, there will never be a validly ordained priestess. It’s Sacred Tradition and if the Church ever breaks from this it would be a sign that the real church is somewhere else or non-existent. Then I have to find the real Church, again, or become Muslim, Jewish or atheist. Not sure which order, but I have looked into these possibilities struggling with my faith. However, I won’t say God is a something, he, she or whatever as Archbishop Dolan recently did. We sacrificed too much to give in to such blasphemy.

 

[BlueShadow123]

This is true and really not that unusual. Whether or not a parish has a rectory is simply dependent on many factors, one being diocese money. Diocesan priests do not take a vow of poverty as do religious. Our pastor is a religious and lives in a house a ways down from the parish. I believe the diocese owns the house, but it could easily be rented. Priests and bishops are paid approximately $18,000 per year. They use this to live. Some of the priest use that money for not only living but contributing to their own causes, like regular people. In fact, I’ve known some very wealthy priests in my life, viz., military priest that owned a brewery by inheritance. It happens. But my favorite type of priest is one that struggles like the rest of us. Poverty is the way to go.

I believe some women want to serve like men. I believe they may even be sincere. But why would they not simply consider the religious life, of which I have more respect? I believe there are just some people that feel it will make them a popular rock star symbol of something they love and respect. Priests are supposed to be noble and respectable, beyond question. Many clergy have become narcissist and give fa false sense of what their real ministry is supposed to comprise. It may be this image women are drawn to desire. I believe there are many men that would make better priests than what we have and others that are already priest that probably shouldn’t be. My arguments for allowing a married priesthood is not to abolish celibacy but to help those that have chosen such a difficult path. The right man with a wife like mine would make a wonderful priest. The same is true for Protestant ministers, something we know about in our family. But we also know how difficult marriage is as a preacher too. Frankly, there will never be a validly ordained priestess. It’s Sacred Tradition and if the Church ever breaks from this it would be a sign that the real church is somewhere else or non-existent. Then I have to find the real Church, again, or become Muslim, Jewish or atheist. Not sure which order, but I have looked into these possibilities struggling with my faith. However, I won’t say God is a something, he, she or whatever as Archbishop Dolan recently did. We sacrificed too much to give in to such blasphemy.

Say I were a man and were a priest. If I was able to live in the church, I probably would. And if I didn’t need the money (if the church provided me with my needs to live there) then I would only take a small part of the portion for maybe health care and the rest I would donate to charity.

 

[PbloPicasso]

Say I were a man and were a priest. If I was able to live in the church, I probably would. And if I didn’t need the money (if the church provided me with my needs to live there) then I would only take a small part of the portion for maybe health care and the rest I would donate to charity.

I know some priests that nearly do this. Being a priest is a burn out business. The priest I’m closest too, like a brother, uses his money to travel on big events requiring money. He travels to Youth Day events and other pilgrimiges. This is pretty typical for some. Religious priests give their money to their order for survival. Priests don’t make much. I remember making not much less than this many years ago in the military and they provided me 3 hots and a cot. I was able to save some money, but not really very much. Smart priests save money for rainy days. They have cars, homes, boats, planes, etc. the last 2 are ridiculous to me coming from that world, but it’s true. Priests are supposed to request permission just to leave the diocese. They eat out sometimes or have to find time to cook for themselves if no one is provided or volunteers to help. Just like Protestant Ministers and Elders, they are expected to attend to the sick and dying, since they are the only ones that can administer the sacraments. I know one priest that supports 5 or 6 children at $30 per month overseas. Along with that they do donate to charities as they are able. From their allowances they have to buy clothing, gas, food, and anything else to keep them going. They save for vacations just like anyone else. When you look at it there is not much to donate, yet they usually do. So I’m not really getting your questions. But none of us can speak for the entire clergy. There are some abusers among them as in any large group. But priests, like anyone else, have rights too.

 

[BlueShadow123]

I know some priests that nearly do this. Being a priest is a burn out business. The priest I’m closest too, like a brother, uses his money to travel on big events requiring money. He travels to Youth Day events and other pilgrimiges. This is pretty typical for some. Religious priests give their money to their order for survival. Priests don’t make much. I remember making not much less than this many years ago in the military and they provided me 3 hots and a cot. I was able to save some money, but not really very much. Smart priests save money for rainy days. They have cars, homes, boats, planes, etc. the last 2 are ridiculous to me coming from that world, but it’s true. Priests are supposed to request permission just to leave the diocese. They eat out sometimes or have to find time to cook for themselves if no one is provided or volunteers to help. Just like Protestant Ministers and Elders, they are expected to attend to the sick and dying, since they are the only ones that can administer the sacraments. I know one priest that supports 5 or 6 children at $30 per month overseas. Along with that they do donate to charities as they are able. From their allowances they have to buy clothing, gas, food, and anything else to keep them going. They save for vacations just like anyone else. When you look at it there is not much to donate, yet they usually do. So I’m not really getting your questions. But none of us can speak for the entire clergy. There are some abusers among them as in any large group. But priests, like anyone else, have rights too.

It wasn’t a question, I was just stating something…

 

[PbloPicasso]

withdrawn.

 

[PbloPicasso]

It wasn’t a question, I was just stating something…

misunderstanding.

 

[exoflare]

I am asking why some Catholic women WANT to be priests.

They’re being attention-seekers.

 

[BlueShadow123]

Oh, so you mean you would use what you need and give the rest away? That’s what I was taught to do too. You sound like a decent human being then, obviously a Christan.

Enough with the sarcasm. I was just stating what I would do with my money. I would take what I needed to survive like clothes, food, shelter and give the rest to charity.

 

[PbloPicasso]

Enough with the sarcasm. I was just stating what I would do with my money. I would take what I needed to survive like clothes, food, shelter and give the rest to charity.

It was a genuine compliment. Sorry if you perceived it other than that. I thought you were being nice, for real. I guess I misread something. I apologize.