Why do women have abortions?

[Isambard]

Murder is objectively wrong.

No its not. Capital punishment in societies in which its illegal, is considered murder. Ditto for vigilantism.

Murder is unlawful by any civilized society.

Thats because its a tautology. Murder ***by definition ***is the unlawful killing of someone.

That some laws in society do not reflect justice and reason does not mean murder is authentically lawful. It means society is acting unjustly.

Murder is a legal concept Murder is a legal concept Murder is a legal concept.

Jeez, you really want to deny this reality dont you?

 

[Isambard]

No, not every single dictionary or encyclopedia. And those sources are not the arbiter of morality or truth.

You have yet to find a single source. And yes, dictionaries and encyclopedias are arbiters of what is true in vocabulary. Something you fail to grasp.

Nonesense.

My point exactly. Dont use logical fallacies again.

Zero, as you understand neither.

I see you’ve resorted to parroting me.

 

[Isambard]

Wah, Wah, Wah. Go tell mommy!

You realize that your post constitutes as spam and is reportable correct?

 

[Isambard]

Those layman where the ones making the laws, Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, etc.

Yeah, you’ve completely misread what I said. I suggest you re-read what I wrote else it looks like your setting up a strawman.

Oh if abortion (definition - to terminate - in this case to terminate a human fetus) is not genocide than please tell us what it is.

1: **the termination of a pregnancy **after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus: as a: spontaneous expulsion of a human fetus during the first 12 weeks of gestation — compare miscarriage b: induced expulsion of a human fetus c: expulsion of a fetus by a domestic animal often due to infection at any time before completion of pregnancy — compare
merriam-webster.com/dictionary/abortion

Main Entry: geno·cide
Pronunciation: \ˈje-nə-ˌsīd\
Function: noun
Date: 1944
: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural groupmerriam-webster.com/dictionary/genocide

Oops. Would seem you are completely off in both your comparison, and your definitions.

A fetus is an independent person, you are right that **he needs some help him **just as you did and I did. Just as my seven year old son does or just as my 85 year old grandmother does, just as the comatose person does.

You just contradicted yourself. And just to highlight, you can put up your son for adoption, give care of your grandmother over to a home, or the comatose person in the care of a medical facility. Forcing you to take care of any of the above is a infringement on you. Ditto goes for forcing women thru their pregnancies.

God is the author of life and so He can do as he pleases with His creatures.

Shame the West isnt run by theocracies in which such a statement would hold any sort of legal weight.

Like I pointed out before terminating - aborting an independent life one that is not like any other is murder and doing it in mass is a genocide and we should look at history to see the deviation it causes.

It is not like murder nor genocide. Equating it results in non-sequiters. Saying it’ll lead to other things without a shred of evidence is a slipperly slope fallacy.

The same dictionaries, courts, encyclopedia etc, all agreed with you at on time, until justice finally pulled through and put a stop to the killing.

You sure do love your slippery slopes.

Claiming it wasn’t murder in the face of a mountain of evidence (and died bodies) is evidence of insanity.

I see your faith goggles have blinded you to reality.

 

[Tonks40]

You can perform all the academic and mental gymnastics to deny or detract the fact that abortion is not genocide all you want…it still won’t gloss over the objective truth that abortion is the murder of innocent children.

 

[Isambard]

You can perform all the academic and mental gymnastics to deny or detract the fact that abortion is not genocide all you want…it still won’t gloss over the objective truth that abortion is the murder of innocent children.

Very poetic. 'Tis a shame reality disagrees with you.

 

[Ronnyboy]

Well, I believe that they do it, if the child came either from a rape, incest, or it may be a hazard to there own health. I feel that is the only reason they exists. I believe that abortions are wrong, but who has the say to make it illegal? I mean it is wrong by God, but many people don’t live by God, so who are we to remove there rights?

But if I were a woman, I would rather have a child then have a medical file about your own abortion.

 

[pierced77]

I believe that abortions are wrong, but who has the say to make it illegal?

Ronnyboy,
Why do you believe that abortions are wrong?

 

[Ronnyboy]

Ronnyboy,
Why do you believe that abortions are wrong?

To an extent, I believe that it should only be used in the cases I posted. It shouldn’t be used because you are to lazy to have a kid, you ****ed, you knew the consequences, that’s how it shall be.

 

[elts1956]

That your using special pleading. You are either in favour of personal rights, or you arnt.

Check the definition I posted

" the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought"

Abortion is not murder if its allowed in a country.

Abortion is killing a human being at its earliest stages of development. You are fusing, secular with moral law to create one law that suits your idea of what is moral. Any secular law that does not uphold a basic and foundational MORAL law, such as THOU SHALL NOT KILL, is evil.

As far as abortion being murder the child is usually killed without malice aforethought and the biggest problem with that statement is that women who are are so confused and frantic do not have aforethought. They want the fastest solution to their problem, the child, so they kill it. Whether they have aforethought or are acting in panic , the act of abortion is still morally wrong. Whether they are murderesses, or not, depends on their state of mind , knowledge and intent at the time of the abortion. BUT the act of killing the child is a WRONGFUL death and is murder.

 

[pierced77]

It shouldn’t be used because you are to lazy to have a kid, you ****ed, you knew the consequences, that’s how it shall be.

Why shouldn’t abortion be used out of inconvenience, or because someone is to lazy?

 

[Ronnyboy]

Why shouldn’t abortion be used out of inconvenience, or because someone is to lazy?

If you read through this topic, you would know. It is ending a life, because you can’t support it. It is just pure insanity that people can’t realize that it is wrong, but we can’t tell people what is wrong or right, as we have freedom here in America. So, that would go against peoples rights.

 

[pierced77]

If you read through this topic, you would know. It is ending a life, because you can’t support it. It is just pure insanity that people can’t realize that it is wrong, but we can’t tell people what is wrong or right, as we have freedom here in America. So, that would go against peoples rights.

So your answer to my question is because abortion is “ending a life.” My answer to why do women have abortions is because our society allows it. We allow it not because we think its right because we know its evil. We give the common exuse that we don’t have the right to choose for someone else (I admit that I used to think the same way). Yet what I don’t understand is that all of our other laws are making that decision for someone else. And if we know that it is a life, shouldn’t that baby have the same rights here in America?

 

[Tonks40]

Very poetic. 'Tis a shame reality disagrees with you.

Rather, Truth disagrees with you. 'Tis a shame indeed.

 

[elts1956]

So your answer to my question is because abortion is “ending a life.” My answer to why do women have abortions is because our society allows it. We allow it not because we think its right because we know its evil. We give the common exuse that we don’t have the right to choose for someone else (I admit that I used to think the same way). Yet what I don’t understand is that all of our other laws are making that decision for someone else. And if we know that it is a life, shouldn’t that baby have the same rights here in America?

And why do you think we here in the U.S. allow it? One of my opinions is that we don’t pay enough attention to what “our” government is doing and not doing. Also they hide a lot from us. Not exactly on the up and up. A second opinion is that we pro-life supporters don’t make ourselves heard. For instance where were picketers outside the Dem. Convention last month ? I just realized we let it slide AGAIN! More opinions welcome.

 

[mapleoak]

I believe that abortions are wrong, but who has the say to make it illegal? I mean it is wrong by God, but many people don’t live by God, so who are we to remove there rights?

That is why we need laws to protect the unborn from those who believe it is okay to kill them.

 

[mapleoak]

To an extent, I believe that it should only be used in the cases I posted. It shouldn’t be used because you are to lazy to have a kid, you ****ed, you knew the consequences, that’s how it shall be.

It shouldn’t be used in any case since it is the murder of an innocent human being.

 

[mapleoak]

If you read through this topic, you would know. It is ending a life, because you can’t support it. It is just pure insanity that people can’t realize that it is wrong, but we can’t tell people what is wrong or right, as we have freedom here in America.

Yes we can tell people what is right or wrong.

So, that would go against peoples rights.

Exactly. We shouldn’t deny people their right to life. The highest and most basic of all rights.

 

[mapleoak]

And why do you think we here in the U.S. allow it? One of my opinions is that we don’t pay enough attention to what “our” government is doing and not doing. Also they hide a lot from us. Not exactly on the up and up. A second opinion is that we pro-life supporters don’t make ourselves heard. For instance where were picketers outside the Dem. Convention last month ? I just realized we let it slide AGAIN! More opinions welcome.

Sadly, America is plagued with complacency and blind obedience.

 

[elts1956]

=mapleoak;4161000]Sadly, America is plagued with complacency and blind obedience.

Does that sound like any members of a society we have read about during the 30s - 1945? Scary isn’t it? The phenomena is called the “herd instinct” and has been the cause of many a downfall of regimes, republics and democracies since the beginning of written history.