Why do you believe in God?

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It is a good question. To answer in a Christian context: I believe in God because since the time of Christ an unbroken line of men and women – who by their lives demonstrated a degree of love and spiritual discernment far above mine – have asked me to believe. They say that they have seen and heard and experienced God, and I trust them. I hope that one day I may make myself fit/worthy enough to see and hear and experience God in the same way.I have strong doubts that I ever will (be worthy), and so I live with faith as best I can.
 
All right, folks. As has happened with most to all of my threads in this sub-forum, I’ve received more replies than I’m keeping straight. So, I’ll check links you posted, and thanks for the replies. 🙂
 
I’m sure this thread has been made hundreds of times, but I’d like to be able to respond without reading 40 pages of previous posts. 🙂
Personal experiences. I’ve had heaps of spiritual experiences including my own father turning up in my room the night he died, three “double whammies” (like a breath going through you in waves from head to foot, each time highlighting a Bible text, a reference to St. Paul and one to CS Lewis), any number of demonic counterfeits and also obvious demonic “scare tactics”, a spiritual push to become Christian and later another one to become Catholic, a very unpleasant feeling that I was going to disintegrate when I got a bit too pally with God, etc.

The first double whammy occurred when I was in a negative frame of mind as a new Christian, and wondering “How do I know all this (Christianity) is true, and not just a psychological prop?”. I also point out that the three “double whammies” took place at least a year apart, and in that time in spatial terms we move billions, probably trillions of miles throught space. ** Yet He still knew where to find me, and how to contact me specifically without anybody else knowing.**

And of course a nagging conscience when I sin, eapecially when the sins didn’t bother me before I became a Christian.

I also had a wise old pastor who was prophetic, so much so that he could only have been told the future events by God eg. “I think you’ll be doing a cleaning job for a while. You won’t like it much, and you wont’ be doing it for long, but I think the Lord will just want you to hear about a ghost.”

He would have said that around 1991, as he died in 1992. In 2006 I did a cleaning job for about four months, didn’t like it much, and heard about a ghost (a former manager who’d committed suicide, for whom I eventually got a mass said.).

So there are a number of reasons I believe in God. Despite that, I don’t always like Him, I think He’s pretty tough, and can be quite unfair. I also realise I am not what might be called a sinless Christian, having my own failings.

I also believe He’s the Christian God, since all these things occurred as a Christian with the exception of my father appearing in my room, when I was an atheist. And even he confirmed the reality when he admtted “I (ie. my father) served the devil. You do too, but you’ll become a Christian.” He died in January 1979, and at that time I was not living an exemplary life. I became a Christian nearly 4 years later around October 1982.

And a Catholic around 1996 or 1997, something my old pastor also predicted.

I’ve got my reasons. Atheists are so far off the beam it’s not funny. But I have to admit that I was once an atheist myself. What this tells me is that mere logic will not change an atheist’s mind. It requires the direct (name removed by moderator)ut of the Holy Spirit. As St. Paul put it,
Romans 11:32 NIV
For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
We need to bear in mind that when an atheist rebels, it’s God’s responsibility in one way. He the One who set it up that way.
 
Are you looking for an explanation (those are linked) or a rebuttal? If the latter, you won’t find any because none exist.

If you’d like a better explanation, you can let me know.
No. Just yanking your crank! I am a devout Catholic although I’m not very “old” in the faith. I only converted in 2002 and there’s so much I don’t know it is overwhelming!🤷
 
It would take more faith to not believe in God than to believe. Why do all people seem to know there is some right and wrong, appreciation of beauty, love, unbelievably beautiful creation and universe that all together just makes no sense not to believe. Having a materialistic world view is silly to me. We are not just a chance product of molecules that will mean nothing later. If so that world view wouldn’t even allow logic, love, right or wrong of any form…makes no sense. A Christian world view opens up and allows for all…easy to believe! Wow!

mlz:)
So true.
the God is the supreme power
he has always given me what i need rather that what i want, in a longterm what i m really after.
 
So true.
the God is the supreme power
he has always given me what i need rather that what i want, in a longterm what i m really after.
Even criminals believe (sort of) in some form of right and wrong. Suppose you had some illegal drugs in your possession and I came and stole them. You’d get pretty mad at me and seek to take revenge. I know that’s a weird example but it is what it is.🤷
 
Care to share? It’s probably very subjective; no offense.
No offense taken.

Sometimes we don’t know that God is all we need until he is all we’ve got. At that point, when life is a literal Hell on earth and there is nothing between ourself and the abyss except God, that’s when he makes himself known.

I’ve had my first child die in my arms, a wife of sixteen years walk out leaving me with two young girls to raise on my own, and a bunch of other stuff, the details of which really aren’t important but which are no less dramatic, and eventually simply gave up. That’s it. It was over. I was done.

I said, “God, if you are real, and if everything people say about you is true, then you can fix this. I’ll do anything you want. I’ll give my entire life to you and do anything you want, but you have to do this because I can’t. I’m done trying. I give up. If you really exist and are what people claim you to be, then you fix this mess. Oh, and get back to me on this tomorrow because I’m going to go get drunk now.”

If you want to know that God is real then lay it out for him like that. People want to tiptoe around the issues, intellectualize about God, argue philosopy, and reason him into existence. They are willing to bet a few bucks in the collection plate, or are willing to change a little. But if you really want to know that God exists, put it all on the line - everything - hold nothing back. Bet the house, the car, the job, the 401k, every friendship and family relationship, your marriage, your own life and the life of your children, and your very existence. Lay it all on the line and challenge God - all or nothing - to prove that he is real. If he is real, he gets it all. If he’s not real then you get to keep it and didn’t really loose anything.

And fasten your seat belt.

-Tim-
 
Moral Judgements.
Do you really think a godless universe would be likely to follow a bunch of conflicting laws
[moral jusgement – laws are not confilicting, they just are]
than the four (or maybe one) we have
[moral jusgement – less is better]
? And how would evolved sentient beings survive as a species
[moral jusgement – survival of sentient species is good]
without “morals” (i.e. rules for peaceful functioning as a society?
[they wouldn’t, which is why God has given us soul with conscience, to make moral jusgements]

I’m sorry if I sound mad here. I’m trying to keep an open mind.

Nah, you’re on the right track, just don’t get derailed into thinking moral judgements are innate to matter. You’ll come to better conclusions. [my moral judgement :)]
peace
steve
 
No offense taken.

Sometimes we don’t know that God is all we need until he is all we’ve got. At that point, when life is a literal Hell on earth and there is nothing between ourself and the abyss except God, that’s when he makes himself known.

I’ve had my first child die in my arms, a wife of sixteen years walk out leaving me with two young girls to raise on my own, and a bunch of other stuff, the details of which really aren’t important but which are no less dramatic, and eventually simply gave up. That’s it. It was over. I was done.

I said, “God, if you are real, and if everything people say about you is true, then you can fix this. I’ll do anything you want. I’ll give my entire life to you and do anything you want, but you have to do this because I can’t. I’m done trying. I give up. If you really exist and are what people claim you to be, then you fix this mess. Oh, and get back to me on this tomorrow because I’m going to go get drunk now.”

If you want to know that God is real then lay it out for him like that. People want to tiptoe around the issues, intellectualize about God, argue philosopy, and reason him into existence. They are willing to bet a few bucks in the collection plate, or are willing to change a little. But if you really want to know that God exists, put it all on the line - everything - hold nothing back. Bet the house, the car, the job, the 401k, every friendship and family relationship, your marriage, your own life and the life of your children, and your very existence. Lay it all on the line and challenge God - all or nothing - to prove that he is real. If he is real, he gets it all. If he’s not real then you get to keep it and didn’t really loose anything.

And fasten your seat belt.

-Tim-
👍👍
 
It’s an axiom of the spiritual life. You have to go into the tomb with Jesus to come out into the light of the ressurection. You have to go there, into the tomb, or you just can’t come out into the light. If some have entered the light without entering the tomb, they have recieved a great gift from God.

Notice that I didn’t say that it is an axiom for the Christian life but spiritual life. Many Christians never experience the closeness of God working in their life on a daily basis. This isn’t a bad thing. St. Thomas Aquinas only felt God’s presence in a powerful way at the end of his life.

I don’t know which is worse - not feeling God next to you in real-time and being spared having to go into the tomb, or going into the tomb and having him with you. I certainly don’t wish anyone to go through hell on earth. I don’t know which is worse, or which is better.

-Tim-
 
It’s an axiom of the spiritual life. You have to go into the tomb with Jesus to come out into the light of the resurrection. You have to go there, into the tomb, or you just can’t come out into the light. If some have entered the light without entering the tomb, they have received a great gift from God.

Notice that I didn’t say that it is an axiom for the Christian life but spiritual life. Many Christians never experience the closeness of God working in their life on a daily basis. This isn’t a bad thing. St. Thomas Aquinas only felt God’s presence in a powerful way at the end of his life.

I don’t know which is worse - not feeling God next to you in real-time and being spared having to go into the tomb, or going into the tomb and having him with you. I certainly don’t wish anyone to go through hell on earth. I don’t know which is worse, or which is better.

-Tim-
Amen Tim.
Having read some on the spiritual journeys of great saints, and being attracted to the simpler and more profound “mystical” tradition of these saints…I too am faced with this dichotomy…
And yet - this is what we are asked to do…To go, as you said earlier, “all in” - bet everything and hold nothing back…but it is so hard…
May God forgive me for my fear and weakness…

Peace
James
 
I have a simplistic view. Look at all the stuff in the universe. Where did it come from? Why does it act the way it does? How do geese know to fly south in the winter? How do bees find flowers, then find their way back to the hive and tell the other bees where the flowers are? Some higher intelligence has to be involved in all these things. In other words, How can there not be God?
 
I know I said I was bowing out, but to the previous poster: possibly quantum fluctuations and evolution. Research. 😉
 
I know I said I was bowing out, but to the previous poster: possibly quantum fluctuations and evolution. Research. 😉
How did quantum fluctuations and evolution come about? Did they just spring from nothing? How do you know that these things aren’t God’s creation?
 
I’m thinking perhaps you might have misunderstood me…? I’m a Catholic Christian. What 4 laws are you referring to? My conflict is the atheistic world view, not belief in God.

mlz
I’m saying there are four (and now, it’s theorized, three - and maybe one!) scientifically demonstrable forces that drive and/or describe seemingly (but possibly) everything in this universe: electromagnetism, weak force, strong force, and gravity. It seems likely to me that a godless universe would evolve by four rules than a bunch of chaos, as you’re suggesting would be the case without a designer.

As for prayers being answered, that is entirely fictional. I’ve heard it said there are three answers to prayer: “yes,” “no,” and “wait.” So, no matter what happens, you’ll attribute it to God’s will!

Personal experience? When I was in Confirmation class I thought I had one during Adoration. Looking back I see it was just that: a feeling.

I realize I haven’t responded to all your posts. I’ma cop out with a TLDR. 😛 If you would reiterate, please do.
 
Because nothing in this world can create or sustain life on its own, absolutely nothing. Everyhing is dependant upon something, what do you think that is?

The fact that humans hunger for peace and justice is deeper than just our feelings.

The fact that a person could own several material goods, power, pleasure…and yet he still is not fulfilled. These material pleasures are not everlasting nor do they quench the deeper thirst all humans have.
 
I believe in God because I want to believe there is something more than this world. A place where anger, sadness, hatred, and pain cannot afflict us any more; where we live forever in eternal happiness. To know there is something more, that I matter, helps me through times of sadness, anguish, and hurt; as Our Lady said in her Magnificat, “Because he that is mighty, hath done great things to me.” God truly has done great things to me, and I will forever believe, trust, and confide in Him and His Holy Trinity.

The first verse of chapter eleven of the Epistle to the Hebrews says all I could, and more, in only a few words:
What is faith? It is that which gives substance to our hopes, which convinces us of things we cannot see. - Hebrews 11:1
 
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